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Pointy
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Posted : Aug 15, 2004 00:38
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An instrument is a "tool" as well.
The talent is not in the tool.
The soul is not in the tool.
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A computer is a pile of silicon-based circuits with loads of compiled software
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A guitar is a piece of wood with metal strings on it.
It doesn't matter if you use a guitar or a computer.
They are both instruments to express your talent and soul. |
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Fu Hsi
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Posted : Aug 15, 2004 00:47
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Pointy u r only partially correct, since playing on a guitar demands lots of skill soul and ability - to really play and express yourself in front of the crowd or in your bedroom, but actually do something.
Computer is a programming tool that if u sit long enough on one bar u will get a very nice melody running even if u have no clue about scales, notes or such. When u 'PERFORM' live u don't need no talent nor soul, u need only press play and the rest is history.
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Posted : Aug 15, 2004 01:22
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A guitar is a piece of wood with metal strings on it.
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Duh? Have you ever laid your hands on a handmade guitar? (or any other handmade acoustical instrument by the way).
Handmade instruments are pieces of art in themselves, and most of all: they are individually unique!!!
Tiny "errors" or margins on each instrument, provides its own personallity.
Computers on the other hand, do not have the same personallity (besides the cute blue screens provided by micro$oft allmighty!!)
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The talent is not in the tool.
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Agreed!
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The soul is not in the tool.
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Partly wrong. "Real" instruments have something similar to a soul. (Read about handmade instruments above).
So, tools and instruments are really not the same. |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Aug 15, 2004 01:49
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I must agree that a talanted musician is not dependent on the tool. The great classical composers only needed a pen and paper to express themself.
Then you can rightfully say that an acoustic instument is more soulfull sounding that a computer...but do we really want music full of people trying to impose thier souls on us with their performance. That is what make me prefer trance for dancing anyway, that the workings of the machines don't impose any performers feeling on me, so I can be making my own space.....if I wan't to listen to good performances I'll listen to ethnic music where you find real talents in that field.
With trance music, composing and performance is very inter-tweened, and what equipment you use will colour your sound.....but acoustic guitar is a but much ibiza colour for me  |
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Weirdo Beardo
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Posted : Aug 15, 2004 02:02
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That is what make me prefer trance for dancing anyway
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Ok, so trance is not music, but a tool for dancing? 
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but acoustic guitar is a but much ibiza colour for me
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Depends on how you use it, doensn't it.  |
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nikur
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Posted : Aug 15, 2004 02:34
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On 2004-08-15 00:47, Fu Hsi wrote:
Pointy u r only partially correct, since playing on a guitar demands lots of skill soul and ability -
Computer is a programming tool that if u sit long enough on one bar u will get a very nice melody running even if u have no clue about scales, notes or such. When u 'PERFORM' live u don't need no talent nor soul, u need only press play and the rest is history.
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Oh come on it doesn't take much skill nor soul to play the guitar.
Neither does it take much skill or soul to programm the computer.
But it takes a lot of skill and soul to be a master on either !!!
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Pointy
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Posted : Aug 15, 2004 02:50
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The great classical composers only needed a pen and paper to express themself.
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They were using a feather for writing their music, that's why it has so much soul.
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...but do we really want music full of people trying to impose thier souls on us with their performance.
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Good question.
And yes, I touched a hand made guitar and tried a couple of instruments as a kid, but figured out very quickly that I am not a musician.
But all those who think, or better feel! they are, they should go ahead and express themselves with whatever means they like. And when they want to blow on bottles and hit frying pans then that's OK.
Do you want some kind of 'driving liscence' to make music?
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Spindrift
Spindrift
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Posted : Aug 15, 2004 03:02
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But it takes a lot of skill and soul to be a master on either !!!
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very true
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Ok, so trance is not music, but a tool for dancing?
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Well like I said it's not the style of music I listen to to hear people who is good in performing with acoustic instruments anyway....if I would it would piss me of with the lack of talent from most trance 'musicians' for sure.
Guitar skills don't make trance production skills and vice versa.
If you find great uses for acoustic guitar in your trance music, I can only say good on you.
But I just don't see the need to try to tell anyone they are not a 'real' musician. Yes, I do hesitate to call some trance music, but I can still enjoy it for what it is.
And let the ones without musical talent and lousy ability to create sound architecture have their fun and try to practice their skills without being told that what that they do is not 'real' music.
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solipt1c
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Posted : Aug 15, 2004 03:05
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On 2004-07-31 11:19, Mari.Morgan wrote:
If you are an artist, then why don't you use imagination to make some art of your own style !
Stop copy other full on big names, it getting old and boring and even cheap !
Do you use your imagination at all, or just listening to other artists ?
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well, did you listen to my music?
http://www.dartrecordings.co.uk/ |
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tripical
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Posted : Aug 15, 2004 05:09
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guitar ,bass,vayolin,computer, pan ,a brush ,a knife to sculpture,vsts ,programs and even a stick are a tools that help u to create whatever u want to create
u cant say that some of them is not good to do so if u do it at the right way and good enough .
ther are so many classic performers and so many trance producer,u can say if u like it or not u can choose if u want to listen or not .
pink floyd learned from the beatles and in those days everything was new ,these days there such a few things that u can say that they new for your ear everything mix with everything so stop disrespect people that want to do what they love to do every body have his own reference
[u dont know whAT ASTRIX REFERNCE and i truly respect the guy but this is TRANCE u just need to let your body and mind free from comparing all the time. |
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Fu Hsi
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Posted : Aug 15, 2004 10:17
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Well I heard few guitarists that didn't use too much skill or soul to use the guitar and well I didn't want to hear them again.
And that is true that to program the PC / Mac u dont need much soul ( but it can help if u have )
The point was that programming the computer is mostly homework. As a homework it can take a year and as long as the final product sounds fine no one will be curious how it was dun ( or most of the ppl wont be )
On the other hand, playing a REAL musical instrument makes u stand against the crowd in REAL time and show your TALENT, your soul and your ABILITIES in given time, a ver short one sometimes and there is nothing to compare here with pressing play on the keyboard of the computer!!!!
And as one that did it more than a few times, I know the feeling ( of pressing PLAY on the computer )
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Pointy
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Posted : Aug 15, 2004 11:50
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The discussion wasn't actually about
'LiveMusic vs. ElectonicalMusic'
Maybe you are better off at a RockFestival Fu Hsi!
I am interested in quality TranceMusic, not listening to some band playing their oh so "real" instruments.
And how do we get quality in Trance?
Definetly not by limiting the quantity of people experimenting with making it. |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Aug 15, 2004 11:59
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Well I heard few guitarists that didn't use too much skill or soul to use the guitar and well I didn't want to hear them again.
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Did you get the point then, that if they suck, they don't suck less beacuse they play a real instrument.
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The point was that programming the computer is mostly homework. As a homework it can take a year and as long as the final product sounds fine no one will be curious how it was dun ( or most of the ppl wont be )
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nope, obviously you didn't get it.
Playing guitar is also homework, but to be good takes talent.
Anyway, think you'll feel more home at some rock music forum. To be patronising about electronic music, and try to tell people here that what they listen to and produce is not real is kinda stupid...sorry
And do you belive that quality increase because it's more elitism and arrogance involved? The more people making music, the more shit produced of course, but more quality as well.
Would you say that the more kids that can get hold of a football, the worse football teams we would have? |
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Fu Hsi
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Posted : Aug 15, 2004 13:02
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Well first there is nothing wrong with good Rock music as there is nothing wrong with good Trance music!! ( Who is elitist actually? )
Secondly heh, yeah... I do believe that in order to be a good Trance producer, being an experienced musician first can help a lot ( check out Simon Posford, Juno Reactor, Total Eclipse and many more bands of the past )
No one is patronizing over electronic music, but as I said before even a four year old can come up with a melody sitting half a day on 2 bars in a loop. Trance ( imo ) is much more than that, and altho for now 2004 is great year for trance ( super good releases and new sounds ) there is also a lot of unworthy releases, and this occurs from two reasons:
1. Music that made by amateur producers, that can't wait couple more years till they become good enough musically and soundwise ( and they will - hard work most of the time rewarded well!! )
2. Labels that don't put enough attention into quality of music released ( again - not all of the labels but enough to get upset )
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Fu Hsi
Perfect Stranger
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Posted : Aug 15, 2004 13:08
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One more thing - I never told anyone what to do or how to behave.. I just expressed my opinion ( at least this right I have, haven't I? ) and anyone that reads it can agree or disagree. That's what a discussion of a topic is all about in a civilized world.. no?
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