Trance Forum | Stats | Register | Search | Parties | Advertise | Login

There are 0 trance users currently browsing this page
Trance Forum » » Forum  Trance - ARTISTS, i want to ask you something !!!
← Prev Page
3 4 5 6 7 Next Page →
First Page Last Page
Share on facebook Share on twitter Share on StumbleUpon
Author

ARTISTS, i want to ask you something !!!

Trip-
IsraTrance Team

Started Topics :  101
Posts :  3239
Posted : Aug 10, 2004 13:00
You know what,

Take the same melody or idea of a track
and make 3 different texture tracks... different styles even.
That's not identical even if they all use the same harmonic idea.

On the other hand, there are so many tracks with different harmonic ideas but with the same textures and the same shallow surface.

They sound identical to my ears.... and to many others too I suppose.
          Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
AgalactiA
Yang_Sun


Started Topics :  0
Posts :  11
Posted : Aug 10, 2004 13:57
Quote:

On 2004-08-10 13:00, Trip- wrote:
You know what,

Take the same melody or idea of a track
and make 3 different texture tracks... different styles even.
That's not identical even if they all use the same harmonic idea.

On the other hand, there are so many tracks with different harmonic ideas but with the same textures and the same shallow surface.

They sound identical to my ears.... and to many others too I suppose.





Agree with that...
EYB
Noized

Started Topics :  111
Posts :  2849
Posted : Aug 10, 2004 15:26
Ok, i think i had you all missunderstood.

You are writing down th facts, not complaining about.

Sure most people that start to produce psytrance and haven't produced other music (even when they have) listen to psytrance and check what makes psytrance to psytrance. So they start to 'copy' to get a feel how to make a psytrack. But some don't get further, don't start to think about new directions, coz the stuff works.
But there are a lot artists that have their own styles and a lot of new ideas.
It is like in all styles of music, for example rock music. There are mostly the same instruments, often the same guitar and drums stuff, but there are a lot of individual and good bands, that produce with the same instruments and of course a singer and maybe some synth great songs.

There are always people that produce that what works (that is not nesscary uncreative) until they go a step further and combine it with new stuff.

So let us listen all what we like and lets be happy about all the good stuff out there.

peace            Signature
Fu Hsi
Perfect Stranger

Started Topics :  5
Posts :  235
Posted : Aug 10, 2004 15:34
EYB -

What makes electronic music stand out from rock music or other music generated by 4 ppl on the stage, is the fact that electronic music has limitless choise of sounds and samples.

When certain electronic style defines it's no. 1 choice of bassline as VB1 and maybe 1 or 2 more tools, then assuming there are heeps of trance track created per day / week we can easily say that it is damn shitty situation.

I am not speaking about sample CD's with guitars or other sounds that u can hear the same same same samples in 5 different tracks

I think that back in 90's when there was less pirate ways of getting samples and softwares, the artists had to CREATE. Today in trance scene most of the artists forgot that creation is the most important thing, and understood that making fast factory line is the most important things.

IMO           http://perfectlystrange.com
slomi
Inactive User

Started Topics :  23
Posts :  375
Posted : Aug 10, 2004 15:39
Quote:

On 2004-08-10 13:00, Trip- wrote:
You know what,

Take the same melody or idea of a track
and make 3 different texture tracks... different styles even.
That's not identical even if they all use the same harmonic idea.

On the other hand, there are so many tracks with different harmonic ideas but with the same textures and the same shallow surface.

They sound identical to my ears.... and to many others too I suppose.





most of the trance tracks are too monotonic
this why this is so boring to hear the same texture or the same harmonic all the time.

if they give too much attention to the harmonic ideas or to the texture ideas, at last do something original, this should be that hard if you focus only on that ?!

they don't even use cords ;/           " You were born original... Don't die a copy.. "
- Some dude with a beard
Always remember:
Half of the cup is full...And the other half is on its way up...
Subtle Distortion


Started Topics :  7
Posts :  42
Posted : Aug 10, 2004 23:54
One thing that is kinda stupid about this whole thread is that this is a forum for psychedelic trance music and people are bitching about it sounding the same? WTF? This entire forum is dedicated to 1 STLYE OF MUSIC and we're bitching about the similarities....how dumb is that? Of course music that is in the same style is going to sound the same. Write some polka or banjo music if you want something different.

Also a lot of people bitch about artists using formulas on this forum. Like in every forum too you can’t get away from it. I think its stupid to bitch about because with out formulas this music wouldn’t work the way it does. It’s formulas that work on the dance floor. It’s formulas that allow djs to spin and beat match the music so your ass can cut a rug to it on the dance floor. ALL MUSIC HAS FORMULAS! Why do you think people have studied years of music theory that explains the formulas of melodies? It’s formulated because all music is mathematical. So before you bitch about how formulated GMS is or whoever, realize that if it weren't for the formulas the math of the music wouldn’t work out...and it would suck and you wouldn’t even be here bitching about it in the first place cause it would have never "hooked" you in. So praise to the formulas. Praise the math of music. If it weren’t for that, it wouldn’t make you dance.
          Anomaly
http://experienceanomaly.com
Init String - initstring.org
myspace.com/initstring
Fu Hsi
Perfect Stranger

Started Topics :  5
Posts :  235
Posted : Aug 11, 2004 00:18
So praise Brittney Spears then the greatest formula of them all!!

I think u missed the whole point of psy music my friend

If u get in a party 12 hours of formulae tracks one after another I believe I will prefer death by beheading. Those that invented this genre went from the beginning into endless parties because of the variety and the psychedelic interest the music created. Put yourself in 12 hrs of blues in a row. I believe u would fall asleep after 2 or three of those. Psy music, always been and always will be music with sudden spins and turns and not predicted breaks and suspended-and-wonderfully-executed-but-woth-zilch-soul-in-them epic elevators.

Oh yeah and yes it is about mathematics. But not the 1+1=2 mathematics, but maybe a little more intricate and sophisticated
          http://perfectlystrange.com
Fu Hsi
Perfect Stranger

Started Topics :  5
Posts :  235
Posted : Aug 11, 2004 00:23
Quote:
Why do you think people have studied years of music theory that explains the formulas of melodies?



it really pisses me off hence 2 answers

Show me more than a handfull of trance artists of today that studied years of music theory and implement it in their music ( pls skip IM, X Dream, Dado, Simon and what left of Juno Reactor )           http://perfectlystrange.com
Subtle Distortion


Started Topics :  7
Posts :  42
Posted : Aug 11, 2004 02:05
Quote:

On 2004-08-11 00:23, Fu Hsi wrote:
Quote:
Why do you think people have studied years of music theory that explains the formulas of melodies?



it really pisses me off hence 2 answers

Show me more than a handfull of trance artists of today that studied years of music theory and implement it in their music ( pls skip IM, X Dream, Dado, Simon and what left of Juno Reactor )




You're missing my point entirely. It has nothing to do with who studied music theory and who didn't. It’s the fact that there is mathematics in ALL forms of music and the math is based on formulas. All trance music (or the psytrance music) has a time signature of 4/4. That means 4 beats in a measure and the quarter note gets the beat. If that time signature was different from one psy trance tune to the next then a dj wouldn't be able to beat match it. IE: you cant beat match a 4/4 tune with a 3/4 tune. It’s a requirement of beat matching to have a time signature protocol. There are other protocols of psy trance such as placing a kick drum on the quarter note, breaking down every 8/16/32 measures, 8-16 measures per phrase, placing an open high hat on the upbeat, putting Crashes and other sounds on the downbeat of the phrase ect. It’s the formulated protocols that make it work on the dance floor and give it the ability for djs to beat match. It also makes for a conceptual structure to dance to. This is in ALL psytrance or music deemed psytrance and no i didn’t miss the point because i have studied music theory and the formulas of psytrance are easily recognized by anyone if you haven't studied it. Djs have to recognize these formulas to learn to beat match. Producers have to recognize these formulas to rock the dance floor. Perhaps you're not understanding what i mean when i say "formula" People wonder why so many producers use these formulas and its because its works on the dance floor. If something works why would you want to change it?

In response to your previous post, yes when you go to a psy trance party you are listening to 12 hours of formulated music and the formulas is what is making you dance. If there was no formula at all to the music then it might be put in the chill room where perhaps the IDM or experimental musicians reside. (and even those styles have formulas too) Now if we're talking about music with no time signature, no recognizable scale, chord or melody, no BPM, no structure then you're talking about music with no formula possibly however you don’t hear that on the main stage if at all. The formula is not only every melody you hear but also in the structure of the track. Since we can agree that there is math in music, and there are formulas in math then what do you not understand about there being formulas in music?
          Anomaly
http://experienceanomaly.com
Init String - initstring.org
myspace.com/initstring
Trip-
IsraTrance Team

Started Topics :  101
Posts :  3239
Posted : Aug 11, 2004 09:24
If you think that a certain style it means that all tracks in that style going to sound the same, then im sorry but i think you're allready a victim of today's music-meat-market.
what you said, is how it is today - but is not supposed to be that way imho.

And about formulas... we should lay off of it because everyone here understood that term differently.

Basicly in my pink world, i'd like all the ppl who buy music will complain about lack of creativness, and stop buying. Then, labels will get the hint and so on.
And I don't understand those ppl, who are somehow 'comfortable' with the current situation of this issue - and start explaining to me why i am being wrong about copycat music. As if me and many others invented this out of the blue...

That's it u convinced me! there are no more copycats out there! all music I hear is so different and deep.... each track makes me go trembling with every fx!

not.
          Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
AgalactiA
Psilocibino
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics :  20
Posts :  243
Posted : Aug 11, 2004 18:13
Quote:

On 2004-08-10 23:54, Subtle Distortion wrote:
ALL MUSIC HAS FORMULAS! Why do you think people have studied years of music theory that explains the formulas of melodies? It’s formulated because all music is mathematical.



sorry man, but i think you listen to very few music at all!! and you know nothing about art! formulas are made to induce yourself to something, but then you have to brake them, if you want something different...
what's the formula of MOZART's work??? or RAVEL's??? or APHEX TWIN???
the real and true genius don't follow formulas....THEY BRAKE THEM!!

as i said before, listen to APHEX TWIN carefully, and tell me what's his formula, because i can't get it.... maybe he know's nothing about music at all!!!!

ps - if ever trance music stik in and with this formulas, soon we'll have a scenne like house, ....just shake your ass....., dance as you like.....beautifull and melodic formula of 4/4 blah blah blah.....but it won't be psychadelic any more!!

Mari.Morgan


Started Topics :  5
Posts :  46
Posted : Aug 11, 2004 19:11
you should learn about music a bit, this is fucking stupid to say something like "ALL MUSIC HAS FORMULAS!"

music is notes and cords, minor major...etc
go learn something about it, you will find music has eternal paths. alike painting!
          if you have psyvideos and you want to exchange, contact me !

BoOoOoM ShanKar !
EYB
Noized

Started Topics :  111
Posts :  2849
Posted : Aug 11, 2004 20:05
Hey you can interpret almost everything with formulas.

Of course there are formulas for music, if not how could you study it, if every track were completly with out connection to another?

But you have to understand that the existence of formulas for music is not something bad, it makes music possible. The difference between music and pure noise is defined through formulas that our brain/mind learned since we life to recognize noises as music.
So you have to use this formulas (and you have not the possibility to decide if you want or not) to make music.
And if you do this concious it is easier to create something rocking faster. But there also people who do without thinking about and do also rocking music, but they use formulas they have learned unconcious.

The using of formulas means not copying someone.

And mari you are right:

Not all music has formulas-

all music consists of formulas.


peace
           Signature
Hodi
IsraTrance Full Member

Started Topics :  114
Posts :  1212
Posted : Aug 12, 2004 02:57
Quote:

On 2004-08-10 13:00, Trip- wrote:
You know what,

Take the same melody or idea of a track
and make 3 different texture tracks... different styles even.
That's not identical even if they all use the same harmonic idea.

On the other hand, there are so many tracks with different harmonic ideas but with the same textures and the same shallow surface.

They sound identical to my ears.... and to many others too I suppose.





there are very shallow fullonish and clubbish tracks nowdays.. what they do is choosing 4-5 acords to create some nice harmonic movement, bring up a melody or two based on this harmony and chik-chak u got a track.
u will see this in almost most regular fullon tracks... some tracks are "smarter"- changing the harmonies, making surprises during the track, that's what i like.           u can find "Anything U Want" using the search...
Fu Hsi
Perfect Stranger

Started Topics :  5
Posts :  235
Posted : Aug 12, 2004 03:10
Quote:

On 2004-08-11 02:05, Subtle Distortion wrote:

Since we can agree that there is math in music, and there are formulas in math then what do you not understand about there being formulas in music?





As I said there are mathematics that consists of 8+8=16 and 16+16=32 and there are higher mathematics. Psy dance music was so special all the time of it's existance because it was based on much higher math patterns than those simple ones that fit cheap commercial music ( and ofcourse implemented too in trance )

What makes the psy trance so unique is the sudden escape from rules, total escape and breakage of formulae and then u can really trip.. I am very sorry for u if u go to dance 12 hours and enjoy to hear formulae all this time because u stay only in the shallow waters dude. Psy ocean is much more deep than that. As your chinese attorney I advise u to take a dip in it - u might be surprised at what u will find..

You can start with Koxbox, and also check out old little number from Transwave called My Dear Medical Assurance

Bom Bom           http://perfectlystrange.com
Trance Forum » » Forum  Trance - ARTISTS, i want to ask you something !!!
← Prev Page
3 4 5 6 7 Next Page →
First Page Last Page
Share on facebook Share on twitter Share on StumbleUpon


Copyright © 1997-2024 IsraTrance