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are psytrance djs ther worst djs ?

Shiranui
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Posted : Jan 3, 2010 10:52
Huh, the "edit" button doesn't appear for me anymore

Edit: okay NOW it does!
LuckyC

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Posted : Jan 7, 2010 05:52
as per the original topic :-D psytrance also has a habit for changing bpm's unlike house making it hard to beatmatch. Along with it's history of mixing in ambient breaks due to vinyl melting in the hot goa sun making tape decks the player of choice.. kinda hard to cue up on the tape...
MorNinG MaGiC


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Posted : Jan 13, 2010 20:15
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On 2009-11-23 17:04, Ascension wrote:
There are bad djs everywhere in every scene.



+1..!
Currently I have seen a lot of them in the US.. who especially need to learn the art of playing PSY..!
dirtyphreak
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Posted : Oct 26, 2012 05:42
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On 2009-11-23 16:59, pr0fane wrote:
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On 2009-11-23 16:34, Shiranui wrote:



there isn't a golden rule for "real dj's" that says you have to split up the channels




I agree with you there isn't a golden rule but if you check videos of the best dj's in the world you will see they always have one ear on the monitors and the other on the headphone, like Erik Morillo (the God father of House)
or Joseph Capriati
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Sadhaka


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Posted : Nov 4, 2012 19:40
I'm a bad DJ. I don't know how to beatmatch but I also don't try to do it while performing on the stage. Lame, I know. It can sound weird but we had no choice but to start playing by ourselves. All the circumstances were ideal to start holding parties but we had no DJs and people are generally not aware of psytrance. That's the "less demanding crowd" part. Parties are generally very small so we can't afford DJs.

But technique is not all that there is in it. If you are not deaf and when you actually feel the music, then you can have a set that people who dance will refer to as perfect. Proper track selection and staying in touch with the dancefloor isn't something that all technically good DJs are in tune with. I've seen wild dancing, explosion of laughter (in a positive sense, when people were struck by the weird sounds) and contemplative states of the mind induced while I was playing my set.

Now, when things start to grow and you meet new people then you get invited now and then. I've tried to reject some of the offers but some people insisted that I should play. Outside my city it's more often chillout but I rarely play music that everyone knows. When I find some niche with good sounds, people are more then happy with it. I have poor skills but good music defends itself on its own. Without experience I tend to forget, I don't know, to adjust volume of the next track, for example. With time I get more experience and my sets are better.

People tend to enjoy our parties and we hooked now people on trance. I even met a psytrance DJ who moved to my city and didn't knew that there are people who share his taste. Now, there are three of us, we also paint decos, work, meditate and dream. It's a hobby and all we want is to have fun with people who attend our parties.

I don't think that it would be better to miss the chances just because we are not good enough. Maybe I don't beatmatch but I do see that local scene is growing with us, thanks to our effort.

I try to give my best and I don't regard this as lame. We are just amateurs and beginners. But we are working on it, at our own pace.

But hey, poor DJs on big International festivals? That just shouldn't happen.
makcnmec


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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 13:44
and maybe anyone want to give an example of good and bad mixes? with some explantation... good with technical skill, but bad with musical...
dj-nailik

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Posted : Feb 21, 2013 19:33
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On 2009-11-23 16:34, Shiranui wrote:
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On 2009-11-23 11:35, supergroover wrote:
Why should you? the sound from the monitors is delayed compared to the one in your headphones. You might as well listen to just your headphones.

If the monitors are placed correctly (1 meter or less away from you) then the delay is negligible.

You are always able to beatmatch more easily and more quickly if you are hearing one track in one ear and one track in the other ear. You can do this with just the headphones on some mixers but one day you will come across a mixer where you can't.

of course, the ability to beatmatch quickly isn't really valued by most psytrance DJs because they wait until the very end of track to start mixing.

you couldnt be more wrong, its much more simple to mix the volumes in your headphones untill yyou can hear the both and then u will be able to define where the kicks are much faster...

and the ability to beatmatch has nothing to do with where you mix..
mixing psy is one of the most technical and you would mix on phrases, so it being toward the end of the song doesnt make beatmatching easier? also to mention that many psy tracks barely build down towards the end so again mixing at the end isnt that much easier, just makes sense sructurally.

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OzMike
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Posted : Mar 11, 2013 02:41
You can't compare mixing psy with techno or house. Rarely does techno or house have such extended intro's & breaks. Psy trance is made for the trip, each track is individual. Techno & house is made for the dj, it starts with a best mostly, more often no intro at all.

Why do you think so many proper DJ's claim psy is crap? It's because it's traditionally not a dj tool. It's a tool to trip out to.           Revisiting the past.
emzero


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Posted : Mar 20, 2013 23:34
Totally agreed... too bad. I love psytrance but hate how no one seem to care about mixing it.

OzMike: Psytrance is made for the trip, sure... but a trip can't last 7 min (1 track), you need at least 40 min of uninterrupted trip.... and by uninterrupted I mean MIX PROPERLY god dammit.... I don't want to have an interruption every 7 minutes when I clearly notice how BAD the DJ is mixing the next track.

Those who claim psytrance can't be mixed haven't spent a good amount of time trying to figure out how to do it.

And yes, it's kind of a bummer than promoters only care for """""" live-acts """""". Yes, with tons of quotes. Most live-acts are just producers playing their tracks from start to end and then the next one, and then the next one. They don't even mix, they just fade/filter in/out their whole tracks and that's it. Sorry, but I hate it. That's not a live-act, that's just a producer showing his tracks.

I invite any of you who don't agree with me to listen my mixes and tell me if psytrance can't be properly mixed. And by properly I mean as SEAMLESS as possible. Don't go there interrupting people's trance. You're a DJ, your only job is to mix other people's tracks. So, why the hell don't you even do it properly?

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mudpeople
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Posted : Aug 29, 2013 19:38
From what Ive heard, the psytrance world is much more tolerant of bad djing, but Ive certainly heard cringe-worthy mixing from most every style dj'ed. But, I have to say, psytrance djs that really are good, tend to be WAY better than mainstream EDM djs who everyone thinks are good.           .
DjSchofield
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Posted : Sep 26, 2013 23:47
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On 2013-08-29 19:38, mudpeople wrote:
From what Ive heard, the psytrance world is much more tolerant of bad djing



I wonder if that's because people who like psytrance tend to be lovely, friendly people. Most of the time. It's a very tolerant and happy community

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Ellon
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Posted : Oct 7, 2013 23:54
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On 2013-03-11 02:41, OzMike wrote:
You can't compare mixing psy with techno or house. Rarely does techno or house have such extended intro's & breaks. Psy trance is made for the trip, each track is individual. Techno & house is made for the dj, it starts with a best mostly, more often no intro at all.

Why do you think so many proper DJ's claim psy is crap? It's because it's traditionally not a dj tool. It's a tool to trip out to.




Well said...

mixing techno or house is just different...psy trance tracks can have a multitude of elements that you dont find in techno nor on house which makes it harder to mix one track on top of another. I actually love mixing techno as you can really create a third track while mixing two tracks. Something that is less common in psy trance.           
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 9, 2014 19:25
my honest opinion is yes. Psytrance DJ's are just track selectors. NO comparison to DJ's like HEll,Carl Cox, Dominik Eulberg, Kink etc those guys are not just selectors, they are more life and spontanious and suprising than most of psytrance lifeacts.
Please tell me just one psytrance dj that is really a great one and tell why.
I liked Antaro and Cosmix but also just for their selections of tracks not for djing as a handcraft/artwork at all.           https://soundcloud.com/shivagarden/cosmotropics
daio


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Posted : Jan 17, 2014 16:32
i think we've all have heard mixes in parties that a 2hr set was like one track , flowing perfectly ... best mixes i've heard are psytrance ... for sure psy is not as dj friendly as other genres but new technology whith so easy looping helps very much to make that third track that ellon mentioned above..the point is to dare it
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