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are psytrance djs ther worst djs ?

pr0fane
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Posted : Nov 23, 2009 17:23
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On 2009-11-23 17:04, Ascension wrote:
There are bad djs everywhere in every scene.



Amen!

... as well as good DJ's
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Shiranui
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Posted : Nov 23, 2009 22:08
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On 2009-11-23 16:59, pr0fane wrote:
Just because you are used to it, doesn't mean it's necessarily better or easier. I'm personally finding it much easier to have both tracks running in both ears when I mix - it's just a matter of habbit, and there isn't a golden rule for "real dj's" that says you have to split up the channels

It's not just me bro--the VAST majority of non-psytrance DJs beatmatch that way.
supergroover
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Posted : Nov 24, 2009 00:54
who cares about the VAST majority? The VAST majority also listens to britney
Becktrank
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Posted : Nov 24, 2009 01:22
lol

me to, I find much easier and faster to beatmatch with both track running on both years, but i usually let the track that is with the bass cuted be more louder           ``We shall not cease from exploration - And the end of all our exploring - Will be to arrive where we started - And know the place for the first time.``

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Shiranui
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Posted : Nov 24, 2009 19:08
(this is starting to get offtopic and there is already a thread for this but...)

To be honest I kind of use a mixture of both techniques. I usually start out with just the new track in the headphones, then blend in the playing track using the cue blend, cutting it in and out.

The advantage of one ear to each track might not be readily apparent if you are used to having lots of time to beatmatch. If you haven't tried, try practicing mixing without beatmatching in advance and see how well you do at it
Ascension
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Posted : Nov 25, 2009 15:16
Neither technique is more right than the other, you can get a quality mix both ways, if the mix is good, it doesn't matter how you do it.           http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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Stregone
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Posted : Nov 26, 2009 03:25
I think is for all the reasons written here...

Organisers who mix not so good who get book in exchange of other book, dj who play for free, dj who are in good contact with organiser even if they mix bad...

I must say that I am a dj, I don't think technically I'm a god, but I batmatch and filter my song good enough to play on partys, but when I play on no psychedelic party ( reggae, hip hop, electro, techno) with friends I see those who used vynils and mixed hip hop and scratched are all much better then me, they have a knowledge I don't have...
Alone


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Posted : Nov 27, 2009 12:32
Well, i think that promotors are looking for djīs that will play for free,or for a very small price, and they always find the kind of people that are there bcuz they like the status that you maybe have when you are THE DJ ... so you cant wait too much...
and about the techniques, they doesnīt matter, if the final result is a perfect mix...
mixing with one ear in the phone and other in the monitor, or both in the phone, or both in the monitor, or one in the phone and other in a cold wall...
wtf??? there is no rule, if you follow a rule you are wrong...
follow your ear and your feelings ^^
Ruffon


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Posted : Nov 27, 2009 17:12
So do you thin it is bad to play for free?
See I've played for now at 15 parties in north germany..
I think I'm not really good but most of the people enjoy my sets and thank me for doin my job.
But I play for free.
It's my Conviction. I think the Dj does "only" mix sounds which where made by the Artists so he decorates with the jewels of other people.
I think the best payment (and for me the only I want) is to seh the people on the floor smile and dance... what else can a Dj want?
It's ok to get the travel costs from the organizer and drink free the night but more? why? I mean you buy the music cause you like it and the artists deserves it.

but only my 2 cent

on topic:
Yeah i think the thing with party organizers which invite each other is one of the big reasons ....
other problems maybe are that it is sometimes hard to define what makes a dj bad ..... I heard Dj'S which are technical very very good but the set still sucks ....
Music is one of the most subjective things... and I think same thing with Djing ... there are basics that you should control (beatmatching, freqeuence harmonies) but everything behind these things is your personal perception.

so long....
Alone


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Posted : Nov 27, 2009 18:34
well, if itīs bad, itīs bad for you only...
you make efforts to reach a good level of knowledge in terms of mixing, you buy cdj, mixer, cds, you waste time learning and making researches, and then you change all of it for nothing, of for some trancers admiration? i already did this for free too, but my intention was only to show people my work, then if you like, you pay ...
i think what you are not seeing is that mixing is an art too, at least for me is not "just" mixing, if you "just mix" oh yes, this should be for free, but when you consider mixing a way of making art, you use other people "jewels" how you say, not to decorate, but to create more beautifull jewels to decorate someoneīs party ...

you can pplay for free, but surely someone is getting money over you, and thatīs the bad part...,

cheers
Psynthex
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Posted : Nov 28, 2009 10:56
hmm...what a long journey this is!

Well... There are mnyn genres in electronic music scene and nowdays..everyone wants to be a DJ. He just need to have 2 cdj players one good & popular mixer ( practicly the one they saw on the TV ) and thats it. They just need to turn on the internet, open an emule or any other sharing program and thats it... that is the nowqdays story. And those kids are changing everything upside down. They saw Umek or Adam Beyer or any other artist... and they play what they are playing - nevermind if they like it or not! Its just popular!

But those kids are gonna learn how to DJ in a couple of months. At least their beatmatching is gonna be good, the mixer lectures and tricks are gonna come sooner or later! Anyhow... Let me go back and let me start where i have ended! There are many genres in electronis scene.. each genre is having a lot and a lot of DJs ( all kind ):

- Good DJs ( well known - they get a lot of gigs because they are stiching the scene from teh beggining ),
- DJs with contacts ( because their friend is the best friend from an organiser of a big event/festival ),
- DJs who are also a promotors ( they can exchange ) and...
- DJs who dont really know how to play and beatmatch, but they are free ( They live fewKMs away from an event )..and they would like to play some overused hits-low Kbps tracks for their friends and their girls... because they would like to jump on the stage.. jadijada...!!!

And a lot of them have raised ego trip in themselves! The same as Skazi and some other similar artists: You know who i am? I have played there, there and there... But still mate... you dont really know how to play!!! Some of them are even touching knobs, nevermind their needs etc!

To come to an end! Every DJ needs to be payed on the end. Someone is receiving money while you play ( maybe 10 people arrived in there at that time, maybe 20 people bought a beer at that time... )! But of course... i would pay just to the guys who really know what they are doing, to the guys who really respects the scene, to the guys who helpđed to the organiser with some promotion ( forums, FB, Myspace etc... ) and to they guys who likes to buy some music on the internet! Its easy to buy some CDRs and before you go to bed you search for 20 VAs and in the morning you wake up..all of them are waiting for you in your favourite sharing program. Than you put each one on the CD and thats it - you are erady to go! LAME!!!

Ok... Thats my side ))           Psynthex [ Vertikal Records ]
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Ruffon


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Posted : Dec 3, 2009 19:36
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On 2009-11-27 18:34, Alone wrote:
well, if itīs bad, itīs bad for you only...
you make efforts to reach a good level of knowledge in terms of mixing, you buy cdj, mixer, cds, you waste time learning and making researches, and then you change all of it for nothing, of for some trancers admiration? i already did this for free too, but my intention was only to show people my work, then if you like, you pay ...
i think what you are not seeing is that mixing is an art too, at least for me is not "just" mixing, if you "just mix" oh yes, this should be for free, but when you consider mixing a way of making art, you use other people "jewels" how you say, not to decorate, but to create more beautifull jewels to decorate someoneīs party ...

you can pplay for free, but surely someone is getting money over you, and thatīs the bad part...,

cheers




yeah but leraning the skills .... and make my skills better is my hobby .. just as making research and listen to new music...
I don't want that other people have to pay for my hobby ... ... for my love....

and well I know that mixin is an art ... because of that i put only into "only"

that with the decorate is quite a nice comparison =)

Yeah but when I play for free.... (if I play exceptionally not on a non-commercial party) I always say to the Organizer please make the entrance cheaper ....
I don't want that someone is getting money over me but additional I don' want that someone has to pay me for my love!
GyPsynate
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Posted : Dec 8, 2009 00:06
Psytik, sombody tell you that you were a bad dj like all the rest of the psytrance dj's or something?

Everyone has good and bad days...
Sound systems contribute and dj monitors are another.
If i dont have a good loud set of monitors I am not spot on and it takes me like half my set to find my sweat spot.
Sometimes it has nothing to do with the skills of the dj. Also psytance has more complex sound layers than house or breaks or whatever so when your beatmatched but not EQ'd well it could sound off or if the tracks start to sperate the 4/4 kick makes it is easily heard. Not the same on say breaks where you only have your snare drum to really hear it being off easy. At 145 bpm you have more beats per minute to hear it being off than a 90 bpm hip hop track also.

Yes there are lots of bad djs but not all bad mixes are due to a bad dj.
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Psynthex
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Posted : Dec 8, 2009 07:48
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On 2009-12-08 00:06, GyPsynate wrote:

If i dont have a good loud set of monitors I am not spot on and it takes me like half my set to find my sweat spot.



Ahh...Bullshit That means that you are not a good DJ. You are not controlling the situation!


Quote:

On 2009-12-08 00:06, GyPsynate wrote:

Sometimes it has nothing to do with the skills of the dj.



In your case... A LOT           Psynthex [ Vertikal Records ]
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supergroover
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Posted : Dec 8, 2009 21:07
I find 145 bpm psytrance alot easier to mix than house or other lslower tracks. Simply because the beatmatching needs to be really tight if you want to mix for more than 32 bars for example. 32 bars at 120 bpm takes longer than at 145. Also 145 bpm trance usually goes well with fast mixes while 120 housey stuff goes better with slow mixes.
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