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are psytrance djs ther worst djs ?

psytik
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Posted : Nov 17, 2009 09:36:40
in house techno and other genres of edm u never lisen so offen all this train wrecks and bad mixing .......but in psy why alot people still mixing so bad (yes the come from dat )but we are 2009 ....and if u say o thi s guy mix very bad or not plur or the excuse is his style so are psytrance djs ther worst djs ?
Tablet
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Posted : Nov 17, 2009 10:29
why are they allowed to play at parties? the last one
I went to I just came home early. I don't take drugs anymore at parties, haven't for about 2 years. The music and mixing has to be top rate or I can't get to that special place

It is so obvious to me how bad so many of the DJs are. It makes me think if everyone else it just smashed out of their faces. Very sad. For me the Psy parties are not worth going to at the moment. Maybes it different else where.
Dennis the menace
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Posted : Nov 17, 2009 12:56
cuz promotors only care about 'liveacts' and the dj's are just there to fill out spare time. In a promotors eyes everyone is a dj and i dont think they care if they can mix or not.

Blaim the promotors!
Ascension
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Posted : Nov 17, 2009 15:18
Well this definitely isn't the case everywhere in the world, but it might be to due to the fact that there are just less people djing psy, therefor there's not much competition amongst djs to play at parties so less experienced/skilled djs are more likely to be playing at psy parties.

Also, a lot of ppl in the psy scene are pansy's and don't tell each other when they mess up or suck. You should tell them to their face rather than complaining about it on here. If you actually want the djs to get better you have to tell them. Tell the promoters too. If they can't take the criticism, then they shouldn't be doing that.           http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Nov 17, 2009 15:59
another reason is that good djs wont play for free as many other with less experience would.


psy-junky
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Posted : Nov 18, 2009 09:25
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On 2009-11-17 12:56, Dennis the menace wrote:
cuz promotors only care about 'liveacts' and the dj's are just there to fill out spare time. In a promotors eyes everyone is a dj and i dont think they care if they can mix or not.

Blame the promotors!



This is true many of the promoters spend all the funding on live acts and get dj's who will play for free. So you cannot really be sure how experienced the dj is and depends on luck.

But there are also some really good dj's out there and once you hear these dj's mixing well produced music with perfect mixing skills relating to timing and beat matching its bliss.           "Whoever said the best things in life are free... obviously grew their own bud"
Tablet
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Posted : Nov 18, 2009 12:33
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On 2009-11-18 09:25, psy-junky wrote:


This is true many of the promoters spend all the funding on live acts and get dj's who will play for free. So you cannot really be sure how experienced the dj is and depends on luck.






I think they must be spending the money on themselves......or rather not actually spending it and holding onto it.

Ascension
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Posted : Nov 18, 2009 15:13
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On 2009-11-18 12:33, Tablet wrote:
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On 2009-11-18 09:25, psy-junky wrote:


This is true many of the promoters spend all the funding on live acts and get dj's who will play for free. So you cannot really be sure how experienced the dj is and depends on luck.






I think they must be spending the money on themselves......or rather not actually spending it and holding onto it.





Where does this happen at? I would love to know.           http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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pr0fane
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Posted : Nov 22, 2009 15:02
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On 2009-11-17 12:56, Dennis the menace wrote:
cuz promotors only care about 'liveacts' and the dj's are just there to fill out spare time. In a promotors eyes everyone is a dj and i dont think they care if they can mix or not.

Blaim the promotors!



Also there are a lot of "I book you - you book me" deals, where organizers who are poor DJ's get lots of gigs in return for booking other organizers for their parties. Hard to compete with that when you don't organize parties.

That being said, there are also many organizers who are great DJ's as well.

In the end gigs is mostly about good contacts.

In regards to the original topic, I have heard many great psytrance DJ's, while I've also on the other hand been very disappointed with some of the REALLY big players in house and techno.           DJ pr0fane (Iboga Records) | Multiphase
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Posted : Nov 23, 2009 09:45
well I think the real reason for this is that live acts are the norm, is very rare that somebody books dj's for psytrance, there so as there is no demand there is a very poor offer.

Crowd has become also less demanding me thinks           "The dedication to repetition the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm is one of electronic music's noblest gestures."
Shiranui
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Posted : Nov 23, 2009 10:05
There are a few reasons for this:

- The psytrance scene is so seperate from the other EDM scenes that, when people learn how to DJ psytrance, they almost always learn from other Psytrance DJs, so there is not as much exchange of information: I met someone who had been DJing psytrance for 5+ years who had never been told that he should beatmatch with one ear in the headphones and one ear to the monitors.

- A lot of times, producers get booked for DJ sets. Producers are not usually interested in DJing and, so, never really spend time on learning how to do it very well.

- With other EDM genres, people can tell when you are mixing badly because it sounds weird. Psytrance *always* sounds weird and a lot of tracks include effects that sound similar to artifacts of bad DJing.
supergroover
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Posted : Nov 23, 2009 11:35
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On 2009-11-23 10:05, Shiranui wrote:
There are a few reasons for this:

- I met someone who had been DJing psytrance for 5+ years who had never been told that he should beatmatch with one ear in the headphones and one ear to the monitors.



Why should you? the sound from the monitors is delayed compared to the one in your headphones. You might as well listen to just your headphones. To me it makes more sense to listen through headphones while cueing up and matching the beats. I will use the monitors when I actually start to open the fader of the new track.

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- With other EDM genres, people can tell when you are mixing badly because it sounds weird. Psytrance *always* sounds weird and a lot of tracks include effects that sound similar to artifacts of bad DJing.


I think this isnt very true. It is also very easy to spot a bad mix in psytrance. As soon as beats arent tight you ll hear it. Regardless of the genre.
Shiranui
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Posted : Nov 23, 2009 16:34
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On 2009-11-23 11:35, supergroover wrote:
Why should you? the sound from the monitors is delayed compared to the one in your headphones. You might as well listen to just your headphones.

If the monitors are placed correctly (1 meter or less away from you) then the delay is negligible.

You are always able to beatmatch more easily and more quickly if you are hearing one track in one ear and one track in the other ear. You can do this with just the headphones on some mixers but one day you will come across a mixer where you can't.

of course, the ability to beatmatch quickly isn't really valued by most psytrance DJs because they wait until the very end of track to start mixing.

But anyway, I've seen psytrance DJs do even worse than that. I saw a dj trainwreck through a whole set because he couldn't see the BPM counters due to sunlight. Sure BPM counters can make beatmatching faster but you shouldn't be completely unable to do it without them.

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I think this isnt very true. It is also very easy to spot a bad mix in psytrance. As soon as beats arent tight you ll hear it. Regardless of the genre.

Yeah you can still tell when someone's trainwrecking, but I was more referring to people improperly lining up phrases, and not properly using the mixer.
pr0fane
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Posted : Nov 23, 2009 16:59
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On 2009-11-23 16:34, Shiranui wrote:
You are always able to beatmatch more easily and more quickly if you are hearing one track in one ear and one track in the other ear. You can do this with just the headphones on some mixers but one day you will come across a mixer where you can't.



Just because you are used to it, doesn't mean it's necessarily better or easier. I'm personally finding it much easier to have both tracks running in both ears when I mix - it's just a matter of habbit, and there isn't a golden rule for "real dj's" that says you have to split up the channels
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Ascension
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Posted : Nov 23, 2009 17:04
There are bad djs everywhere in every scene.           http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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