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Antiworld, the "scene", bitching, and where UK trance is going
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Paulbenn
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Posted : Jun 6, 2007 20:23
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On 2007-06-05 23:26, John wrote:
Planet Zogg in Sheffield has been "joining the dots.. from trance.. to techno.. to psy" for the past seven years - albeit the trancie psy end of techno, the techie trancie side of psy and the psy techno end of trance...
Its probably becuase we came up through the festivals, megadog, samsara, RTTS etc route - but we've always mixed it up - though (hopefully) in a coherent sort of way...
We regularly used to have house Djs in our second room as well - but theres a big house free party scene up here...
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Well that sounds like the business, I didn't know about that - I'll check out the lineup and maybe go up in one of my leisure moments! If you can recommend me some good "psy techno" then I will absolutely check it out, too. |
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Caligula
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 12:54
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On 2007-06-06 20:20, Paulbenn wrote:
- Outed!  I'm not suggesting that people should be *tricked* into turning up at a party and seeing different styles. The artists would be on the bill; you'd get a different mix of people, which I think would be healthy.
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But there is your answer, Paul.. You're bored of 70% of the psy subgenres, and you're a fan of electronica in general, so isn't this a sign you should be going to other clubs/parties, and not trying to bring change to what you're tired of? The very reason your suggestion, and you certainly aren't the first to make it, results in such furor and controversy, is that most psy-freaks are proud of being underground, and separated from ALL other forms of electronic music. We're unique, and so is our brand of dance music.. Perhaps you like psy for a different reason, which is always fair enough.. I could never dispute your taste, but House music is not a "brother genre to psy", which is why i made the comment about signature.. for me that is all they have in common. The culture, the production styles, the parties, the emotion behind it is distinctly separate.. and to combine them would be to pollute psy in my opinion, and many house purists would suggest psy would be polluting house.
Take ELEMENTS of the different genres and use them in making music, in perhaps designing a whole new genre.. but to play house music on the dancefloor of a psytrance party, or even at the same venue is untenable in my opinion. it serves only to fill what might have been an emptier club, and ultimately bring in more money. My tool/matchbox 20 is still relevant in this regard. Just because one is bored of Tool, why should the band change their style, or theme, or play different kinds of festivals.. Surely you, the bored listener, is the one who should move on and find a genre that make him happy.
I don't believe we see this music from the same angle if you could ever suggest such a thing.. which, like I said, is fair enough.
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 12:59
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On 2007-06-07 12:54, Caligula wrote:
We're unique, and so is our brand of dance music..
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Yeah mate, we're the next step in human evolution
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Caligula
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 13:08
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sarcasm? from a mod? classy..
eyeballs rolled right back at you.
i didn't mean we were "the next step in human evolution" as you so eloquently put.. perhaps its not the same here because of the mix with rave culture, but back home you can spot a trancie a mile away, and i know precisely who, if i introduce them to it, will fall in love with immediately.. so yes, those with a passion for psy are unique and connected.. and the music is same.. not like any other.. the connection with the earth, with esoteric philosophy with PLUR.. what other genre can offer something like that?
your response really confuses me.. so unnecessary and counterproductive. surely you have something better to offer?
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John
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 13:40
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Psytrance defientely seems to suffer from a weird superiority complex - which is weird given the view the rest of the dance world has of it..
It seems not uncommon in these discussions to assume the world is either psy trance or commercial music - which is plainly not true- there's a whole world of undergrond dance out there with just as friendly scenes as just as passionate about the music - though perhps without the bolt-on cod mysticism that used to plague goa/psy trance.
I know people who've been doing free parties for years out in the countryside playing deep house - or others playing techno - your not telling me they've got any less connection with their music and the world outside than people who happen to be into psy trance?
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 13:46
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On 2007-06-07 13:40, John wrote:
Psytrance defientely seems to suffer from a weird superiority complex - which is weird given the view the rest of the dance world has of it..
It seems not uncommon in these discussions to assume the world is either psy trance or commercial music - which is plainly not true- there's a whole world of undergrond dance out there with just as friendly scenes as just as passionate about the music - though perhps without the bolt-on cod mysticism that used to plague goa/psy trance.
I know people who've been doing free parties for years out in the countryside playing deep house - or others playing techno - your not telling me they've got any less connection with their music and the world outside than people who happen to be into psy trance?
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100% agree with every single word.
The connection with the nature is an awful lot of bollocks, I mean trance people owning this "love"...before psytrance was even a spark in Goa Gil's eye, people loved to do Picnics already.
The UK has a long and strong tradition for outdoor festivals, I attended to many...people was, by far, much more easygoing and clean (regarding the enviroment) of what I saw at Trance festivals.
And nobody is as racist as most young trancers.
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Caligula
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 14:13
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The core of my argument was to not mix psytrance with house/techno.. not that we are better than anyone else.. i don't think describing me as having a "superiority complex" is fair by any means if you read my words. I did not for one second disparage another genre, i merely pointed out that I, and countless others would prefer not to play psy and other genres at the same party.
you've missed my point entirely!
I come from an alternative music background, I love breaks and drum n bass.. i used to listen to house, electro, minimal.. i've pretty much given time to every genre of music but pop and rnb.. so don't presume to tell me i'm belittling everyone else in order to make my point. You have no idea who I am and what I know about music. The only superiority complex I've come across is the know-it-all attitude within this very forum. There's such an I've-been-around-since-the-beginning-of-psy bullshit attitude that lurks in the tone of so many of you posters.. oozing so much arrogance you think its fair to denounce "young" people as a group, and compare psy now to "how it was" knowing full well many people cant counter that as they weren't there.. and you walk away feeling so satisfied with yourselves because you're 35, bored of psy and won't rest until everybody knows it. My solution to those people: stop chatting on a psy forum, stop going to psy parties, stop giving an opinion on a scene in which your heart no longer lies. you have absolutely no passion for the culture, so I can't take you seriously.
then again i'm reminded that the culture here is not the same as the rest of the world, it is far more integrated and the context is "dance music" rather than nuances of psy that attract me.
"nobody is as racist as young trancers" - thats a wonderfully meaningless sweeping generalisation which, without qualification, is as insulting as racism itself.
I can't continue this debate without revealing my true comparative feelings of the UK psytrance culture with the rest of the world, because I'm not in the mood for the inevitable backlash. With this in mind, however, I do understand where you're coming from.. I would have the same attitude if I had discovered my greatest passion in life in this country.
Lets just say "long and strong traditon of outdoor festivals" should read "long traditon of outdoor festivals".
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Caligula
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 14:26
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@ Justin: why is it a competition to you? who ever claimed to "own" love? i only claim to feel it.
@ John: yes, I do claim that the percentage of people who are into deep house and other electro genres who spend their days on forums, talking about the genre, travelling the world to go to parties, thinking about it every hour of every day, listening to it exclusively, analysing it, producing it, mixing it, LIVING IT.. is far smaller than psytrance.
you can't deny that psy-heads are more emotionally involved in their music than other genres, expressed as a percentage of the total who listen to the genres/attend parties.
how many other festivals like BOOM exist where people come from all four corners of the globe to see one type of music? please enlighten me and give me one example.
I'm talking exclusively about electronic music here.
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NOVA (Ultimae Records)
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 14:41
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On 2007-06-07 14:26, Caligula wrote:
how many other festivals like BOOM exist where people come from all four corners of the globe to see one type of music? please enlighten me and give me one example.
I'm talking exclusively about electronic music here.
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I Love Techno, in Belgium. It's an indoor festival attended yearly by more then 30.000 people.
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Caligula
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 14:46
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damn!
okay fine.. but i still stand by what i said above. all of it.
i'm just so jaded listening to people saying how shit the scene is blah blah music is boring blah blah.. when all they need to do is stop chatting on PSYTRANCE forums all day, and going to PSYTRANCE parties. its so ridiculous.. the very concept.. its hypocritical to the core.. and transparent.
i love psy, and i hope i always will.. if i stop loving every bit of it, i hope i have the brain to actually act and stop ruining it for everyone else.
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John
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 14:49
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I wanst necessarily having a go at you - but there is a frequent theme that often comes up in these discusions that psy trance is somehow better than other music - its not - its just we like (some of) it more. |
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John
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 14:51
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Fair enough - but its more difficult for most of us to go to a psy party while at work! |
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Caligula
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 15:00
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I realise you weren't having a go at me individually, and I agree there are trance-snobs about, and I will admit in the past I have at times been one myself.. I blame true love of the music 
I wasn't directing my comments at you two either.. well maybe Justin because he came in, rolled his eyes at me, and then ripped into me when I was fairly diplomatic, and decidedly un-controversial at the time
Anyway, now I'm whining, and it goes against everything I've been saying.
PLUR.
p.s. i like to creatively visualise the milieu within which i exist.. and i think to be convinced that a status quo exists, is to make it exist.. and i believe there is only peace, love, unity and respect in this genre and that its my social "home", and this belief alone makes it true for me.. so please don't tell me otherwise and shatter this.
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 15:09
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On 2007-06-07 14:41, NOVA (Ultimae Records) wrote:
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On 2007-06-07 14:26, Caligula wrote:
how many other festivals like BOOM exist where people come from all four corners of the globe to see one type of music? please enlighten me and give me one example.
I'm talking exclusively about electronic music here.
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I Love Techno, in Belgium. It's an indoor festival attended yearly by more then 30.000 people.
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Don't forget Sonar and Monegros.
Sonar's been happening over the last 20 years each year attracts about 100.000 people, Monegros is in the middle of the desert in Zaragoza, only minimal, never less than 30.000 people
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Caligula
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 15:12
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flogging a dead horse, are we not, mr chaos?
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