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Antiworld, the "scene", bitching, and where UK trance is going
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 15:56
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Nope...just educating him, now he knows a bit more where to go next summer, unless he's busy enhancing himself spiritually, that's a bit of a vice he has.
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Caligula
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 16:00
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hahaha okay.. but i'll take sonica, boom, ozora, freedom, drops reflections and the like over a 100 000 strong techno fest, thanks..
oh sorry, were you talking to the dead horse?
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 16:09
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On 2007-06-07 16:00, Caligula wrote:
oh sorry, were you talking to the dead horse?
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Of course, he's actually offended you interrupted his meditation...easy boy...steady!!!
This is all your fault, I curse you
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Caligula
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 16:13
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he looks pretty steady to me.. by the time you got to him he was long gone.. my deepest condolences.
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Paulbenn
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 16:28
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This is the thing, I don't think music is necessarily part of any kind of culture.
One of the first times I heard dark and twisted psytrance played was in an undecorated bare concrete basement of an extremely busy and hot squat party and I thought, this is the PERFECT music for this, it's filthy! I don't think you'd have found many of the punters there trekking to Boom or something, but they were fucking going for it - It was about as far from a "psytrance culture" context you could possibly imagine, and it was working perfectly!
But if it had been called "the magic pixie garden", been decorated with giant fluoro mushrooms with girls wearing fairy wings on the door, half those punters wouldn't have gone near it, and i) the party would have been a poorer place without them and ii) *they* would've missed out on the gnarly, banging filth that was going on down in the cellar. See what I mean?
My point is sort of this, you don't and you shouldn't have to buy into a particular culture or outlook on life by being into a certain type of music. Music is music and it's great if it means something personally to you but that should be what counts, not defining your love of it through your membership of a group. We're all wordly people these days with nice tolerant outlooks, but it doesn't hurt to get outside your niche now and again.
And trance fans are like that! Look at the reaction people get on the bus to Voov or the train or whatever, if they say it's the first time they've done a psy festival. We love it! Often the most fun is introducing someone new to the way it all works. So I'm not saying psy is inherently cliquey, in fact, I think the opposite is true, but it starts to look that way when parties and clubs stick to it so much that they become a musical monoculture, and the culture seems to have developed into something that's actually quite hard to get into unless you buy into the whole ethos (whatever it is).
This means less sharing between cultures, fewer people getting turned on to psy, and less diversity than there could be in production, djing and parties. And I think that's a shame.
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On 2007-06-06 20:20, Caligula wrote:
But there is your answer, Paul.. You're bored of 70% of the psy subgenres, and you're a fan of electronica in general, so isn't this a sign you should be going to other clubs/parties, and not trying to bring change to what you're tired of?
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No, everyone else should change so I can get what I want, obviously 
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Caligula
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 16:41
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the very reasons you propose make a need for change necessary, are the very reasons i think it should stay the same.. i don't want more people turned on to psy.. i think there is quite enough diversity (wow.. i never thought i'd see someone say psy wasn't diverse.. dancing with someone from japan, brazil, australia, canada and france.. all within 3 metres of eachother.. fairly diverse if you ask me..)
i have looked outside my niche and i don't like what i see.. i go to other clubs and parties and i see the same thing, the absence of which i value in psy, less fighting aggressive guys, less leering dirty guys, less overly made-up and image-conscious girls.. and an atmosphere of talk to who you please and they will be friendly.. you don't get that at any other types of parties! well, of course you do.. but not to the same extent.
i'm sorry i disagree with everything you've said.. i respect that you have a different perspective, as one should.. we are, after all, from opposite sides of the globe.. but i just don't feel the substance you suggest in your argument.
at this point its best to agree to disagree, i suppose 
differing perspectives or not, we'd most likely have the same grin dancing next to eachother at a party one day. you, because the lead reminded you of a tiesto track you love, and me, because i love a ripping 16th note bassline
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Paulbenn
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 16:55
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It'd be more likely be a solid groove with some decent fat percussion worked into it, but apart from your horrible suggestion that I would love a Tiesto track, I guess we can both let what we've said stand. You might be right about us treating it differently in the UK - we're a cynical bunch of cunts - I remember being asked by some lovely Californians at boom if we ever started our parties off with a ceremony. Pffffahahahahahahaha!
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Caligula
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 16:59
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i've always been intrigued as to the psy scene in the states.. its such a small scene and they're so all-or-nothing about things it must be good. ceremony sounds good.. mine normally involves the lighting of something-to-be-passed-around.
hahahaha@ "ceremonial can of special brew"
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John
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 17:08
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At the risk of sexism - I can remember some one commenting that part of the reason you get so many girls at psy trance events compared to other underground dance events is the opportunity to dress up. Dreads, bindi & pixie top are as much an image statement as Gucci.
I think Paul is right though - we are a cynical bunch in the UK...
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DJ Buju
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 17:12
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Psy Trance Elitists are Lame!
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@ Caligula - For people to rant about how the scene as evolved or turned into does not make then 35 yearold misrable gits... it just shows they have been in the scene for a while and might not like the way it his at the moment. it might change again and they will be happy only time will tell.
Regarding Psychedelic as a term, IMHO the minimal stuff out these days ( some of it ) is BY FAR more psychedelic then the psytrance which is out there... so rest assure that when we mix psy-trance and minimal it works MAGIC and there are parties happening all over town with this crossover between the geners. you should come check it before you diss it
@ Paul
What about the cermony @ Tysoon St when everyone used to hold hands and stuff ? Samsara ? RTTS ?
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Paulbenn
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 17:17
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@ Caligula
Yup, they do it with chanting, a blessing, the whole bit. I'm trying to swing going to Burning Man next year to spend some time stateside myself.
@ Buju - As I suspected! Do you have any sets you could point me to so I can hear this in action? |
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Caligula
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 17:32
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On 2007-06-07 17:12, DJ Buju wrote:
Psy Trance Elitists are Lame!
*Hint* *Hint*
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@ Caligula - For people to rant about how the scene as evolved or turned into does not make then 35 yearold misrable gits... it just shows they have been in the scene for a while and might not like the way it his at the moment. it might change again and they will be happy only time will tell.
Regarding Psychedelic as a term, IMHO the minimal stuff out these days ( some of it ) is BY FAR more psychedelic then the psytrance which is out there... so rest assure that when we mix psy-trance and minimal it works MAGIC and there are parties happening all over town with this crossover between the geners. you should come check it before you diss it
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thats precisely what i said above in this thread.. i'm saying minimal and psy go well together.. as well as breaks.. and progressive, as i'm sure i don't need to tell you.. is part and parcel of the genre as a whole.. i was disputing house music being played back to back with psytrance.. come on.. why am i being so misunderstood? have i chosen my words badly? why do i come across as a psytrance elitist.. ffs all i mean to say is i like psytrance as it is.. when did that become a cause for alarm???
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Caligula
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 17:34
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At the risk of sexism - I can remember some one commenting that part of the reason you get so many girls at psy trance events compared to other underground dance events is the opportunity to dress up. Dreads, bindi & pixie top are as much an image statement as Gucci.
I think Paul is right though - we are a cynical bunch in the UK...
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you're exactly right.. i was referring to lack of make-up though. i like the fact that girls look natural.. and don't go to the bathroom every 5 minutes to brush their hair and check their mascara/lipstick etc.
never mind.. i give up..
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John
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 17:52
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never mind.. i give up..
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Thats a defeatist attitude!
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DJ Buju
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 17:53
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On 2007-06-07 17:12, DJ Buju wrote:
Psy Trance Elitists are Lame!
*Hint* *Hint*
Plur
@ Caligula - For people to rant about how the scene as evolved or turned into does not make then 35 yearold misrable gits... it just shows they have been in the scene for a while and might not like the way it his at the moment. it might change again and they will be happy only time will tell.
Regarding Psychedelic as a term, IMHO the minimal stuff out these days ( some of it ) is BY FAR more psychedelic then the psytrance which is out there... so rest assure that when we mix psy-trance and minimal it works MAGIC and there are parties happening all over town with this crossover between the geners. you should come check it before you diss it
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thats precisely what i said above in this thread.. i'm saying minimal and psy go well together.. as well as breaks.. and progressive, as i'm sure i don't need to tell you.. is part and parcel of the genre as a whole.. i was disputing house music being played back to back with psytrance.. come on.. why am i being so misunderstood? have i chosen my words badly? why do i come across as a psytrance elitist.. ffs all i mean to say is i like psytrance as it is.. when did that become a cause for alarm???
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Well maybe i missunderstood you mate.
But HOUSE music as a whole is very diverse and the minimal striped back stuff is actually also defined as Minimal house
I don't think whoever pointed out the mixture of house and psy was reffering to cheesy funkey house if they did then that would be a interesting combo.
@ Paul
Im collecting some names of artist that i would recommend to check out and a few DJ mixes to listen too... i actually need to get my arse in gear and make a new mix myself
Regarding the girly side of things -
I actually do like to see people put a bit of effort into the way they look, some costumes, weird hats, etc...
Guess that why the East london vibe seems to be working great for me...
And in most psy parties iv been to in town the ratio of man & woman was 70% man to 30% woman in the better ones...
Go to a minial / proggy night and you'll find it much better on that matter...imho
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