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Antiworld, the "scene", bitching, and where UK trance is going
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koalakube
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Posted : Jul 24, 2007 15:36
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Yes communication is the name of the game.100% agreed on this.
And my point is :the nationality of the promoters is totally irrilevant.
Focusing on that aspect only and means just creating a bigger break in the already weakened scene.
P.S. I dont think me and Mike are taking this personally ,we just disagree.If you want to delete the posts because of two members are disagreeing on something and are discussing it,I fail to see how we can communicate and eventually agree (or not) and make progresses. |
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koalakube
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Posted : Jul 24, 2007 15:38
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On 2007-07-24 15:31, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2007-07-24 13:24, koalakube wrote:
" This is not the same as suggesting ALL foreign promoters are money-grabbing bitches, just that its MUCH easier for the "few bad apples" to do so."
I dont quite understand your english here.
Im a bit worried that you point could be something like "because of few bad apples we gonna blame it to the whole bunch of good ones as well".
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Koalakube I think you're being far too paranoid here. In English, the phrase 'a few bad apples' is used specifically to avoid blaming the actions of a few members of a group on the group as a whole.
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point taken.My bad on this and I apologize. |
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : Jul 24, 2007 15:47
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On 2007-07-24 15:36, koalakube wrote:
And my point is :the nationality of the promoters is totally irrilevant.
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Not if you miss "the good old days"
 My fake plants died, because I did not pretend to water them. |
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dave arc-i
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Posted : Jul 24, 2007 16:08
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(In many of those you were there Dave Arc-i, doing your thing besides
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you saw me at ONE - and there i took note of the gangster dealers on the stairwells - the poor production values - the girls urinating in the courtyard outside - the wall of light across the far end of the cellar wall making seeing anything impossible and when leaving hearing the music so clearly audible in a residential area i decided that i wouildnt be having anything to do with anymore and that remains the case |
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : Jul 24, 2007 16:29
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How civilized of yours...I reckon we should start doing crocket tournaments in those courtyards instead of all that piss 
Not all squatt parties are the same, and that one was rather harsh and kicking if you ask me...but I kinda like it messy instead of fluffy and nicey nicey so it's all good with that one, and you face some problems when doing that sort of events...the hoodies would go just anywhere, only because's a squatt, regardless of the music played.
But from your words we can take that your opinion is based in 1 and only 1 party...clearly not enough.
Don't get me wrong please...I do hate lousy and crappy squatt parties with passion, I could give millions of reasons why.
But I've seen many lousy and crappy events at the Coronet or Jack's as well...and very, very good produced squatt parties as well, I remember an Voice of Cod live not so long ago...you think that was a bad underproduced party Colin???
As well I saw recently (well...not that recently, time flies) 2 events happening in the same area, both licensed and ticketed one was in the Renaissance Rooms and the other at the Colosseum or something.
1 was 12 quid and beautifully decorated with a great conceptual treatment.
The other one was shite, but it was 8 quid to get in.
I guess you all got the picture of what happened.
It was, pretty much, the end of one of the most respected organizations in London with more than 3 years doing great events...I think that was a bigger disgrace than any other squatt party you might mention.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jul 24, 2007 16:56
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On 2007-07-24 16:29, Justin Chaos wrote:
But I've seen many lousy and crappy events at the Coronet or Jack's as well...and very, very good produced squatt parties as well, I remember an Voice of Cod live not so long ago...you think that was a bad underproduced party Colin??? |
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Lux
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Posted : Jul 24, 2007 16:57
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I must say that the UK section is on fire these days...
I am a foreigner, born and raised in Greece but I have been living and partying here for the last 10 years since 97. I have been going to parties though for the last 13 years in total since 94. In the UK I caught up with most of the old parties such as RTTS, Astral Phoenix, Otherworld, Kundalini, Mindscapes, Cosmic Carrot, Enlightenment, Warp Experience etc. at all sorts of venues including the Fridge, the Rex, Tyssen Street etc.
What I see happening in the UK the last few years is similar to what happened in Greece during the mýd-nineties and its not a matter of nationality but a matter of promoters.
To put it simply, a few good parties in the beginning by maybe a couple of promoters at the most (back in 97 there were no more than 2 parties a month in London - and one of them was usually RTTS); really good parties with lots of effort put into it and lots of fluoro colours. Who can forget the really beautiful parties of Astral Phoenix who by the way were the only ones back then who brought Israeli artists (as opposed to everyone else) or the Enlightenment parties that used to play kick-ass music until they collaborated with Brighton-based Atomic and their music changed.
Then slowly as different 'promoters' started to realise the financial potential of throwing psy-parties they all started throwing their own versions of psy-parties coming slowly to today's dog-eat-dog situation.
Differing nationalities is definitely not the issue. Personally I dont know any of the Brazilian posse that you mention or Enrico but bear in mind guys that if it wasnt Enrico from Italy then there would be someone else from lets say Greece, Germany or Spain or Marocco. In Greece there were only Greek promoters but the result was the same because of the attitude and motives of the promoters and not their nationality.
Of course this is purely my own opinion and people may have different views but hey there I said it... and you can now feel free to start analysing in detail whatever you feel necessary.
Bottom line, money makes the world go round... Don't hope 2 much 4 something cause u may end up getting it... |
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dave arc-i
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Posted : Jul 24, 2007 17:18
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On 2007-07-24 16:29, Justin Chaos wrote:
But from your words we can take that your opinion is based in 1 and only 1 party...clearly not enough.
Don't get me wrong please...I do hate lousy and crappy squatt parties with passion, I could give millions of reasons why.
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no you can take it from my experience of going to PROPER techno squat parties by the likes of Aardvark/Remo/Virus and so on back in the very early 90's that the decline they saw occur later because of the thieving and intimidation that went on is there already in the psy-squat scene and that isnt what psy is about - whilst you and i are more than big enough to look after ourselves (or at least feel like we can) this scene contains many that wouldnt be comfortable in that type of environment so immediately the scene is no longer inclusive welcoming and friendly - one of the pillars that supports the psy-trance scene/community imho |
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : Jul 24, 2007 17:41
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I think we are confusing ourselves here a bit...I'm in no way defending Squatt parties here, please don't get me wrong.
What I'm saying is that I've seen a few good ones...not many, but it was definitely more than 0.
And at the same time since Fairy Tales and Acid Monkey I can't recall any other organization with a concept behind.(I'm talking London here)
So the value for money is not very fair.
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dave arc-i
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Posted : Jul 24, 2007 18:21
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exactly - but all the while these parties crop up a few days or a week or two before a long planned venue based party then the chances of getting a well produced well decorated and SAFE environment gets reduced even more a nobody can then afford to run the risk of losing money especially if as has happened to more than one promoter (at least 3 that spring to mind) where due to these issues there is no money in the kitty do go on doing stuff |
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Squat Merchant
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Posted : Jul 24, 2007 18:24
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This is getting tiring boys. Remember the new anti-smoking ban? Squat parties are the ONLY way now since 90% of psy trancers smoke
Time to move on and open your Tissen St Chakras
Rather than complain, perhaps try to find a solution
Enough bickering. Lets try to find a nice way forwards for UK scene
Private parties with circus tents are the way forward |
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koalakube
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Posted : Jul 24, 2007 19:45
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On 2007-07-24 15:36, koalakube wrote:
And my point is :the nationality of the promoters is totally irrilevant.
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Not if you miss "the good old days"
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I dont miss the old days.Time are changing and im totally cool with it.
I just dont think psy suit a squat party and me personally I am not interested in going to a psy party held in a squat.
Kill me for having an opinion but Id dare to say that for me psy parties are meant to be done mainly outdoor (with few exceptions)
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Squat Merchant
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Posted : Jul 24, 2007 19:49
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Welcome to the UK kolakube. Outdoor is kinda hard what with the rains and all. Perhaps you could find us a nice big warehouse to have a party in. Or a nice private woodland, where the owner is OK with 1000+ psy trancers 'avin it large on their land. Do tell us, since you seem to be SO enlightened on the UK scene. Maybe recommend a club where a squat isn't going to put on a cheaper night at the last minute on the same night
Oh, and some squat parties pay artists up front to fly over and play, hence the £10 entry. Not sure which ones you've been to, but the ones we've put on were OK, with portaloos to stop women pissing in the courtyard |
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koalakube
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Posted : Jul 24, 2007 20:04
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Squat Merchant,
Sorry for having an idea that differ from yours.
Im not saying that psy party shouldnt happen in a squat ,im just saying that personally thats not my choice.
I like squat parties (and as a matter of fact it was a squat party the 1st place I have ever played in London) but I cant enjoy psy there.
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koalakube
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Posted : Jul 24, 2007 20:08
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On 2007-07-24 19:49, Squat Merchant wrote:
Oh, and some squat parties pay artists up front to fly over and play, hence the £10 entry. Not sure which ones you've been to, but the ones we've put on were OK, with portaloos to stop women pissing in the courtyard
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I cant quite understand why u are getting so defensive.I never mentioned money as an issue.
Are you a pormoter that organize psy party in squat.Great.Good luck with that (and im not being ironic).
But maybe try to accept the fact that people have different taste. |
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