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A (very) provocative post :-)
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Posted : Sep 20, 2003 23:52
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kris,
you really think there are only 2 sides to trance? forget the masses scene, and listen to the music -
I will never want to make today's full on trance and of course I will never make today's fluff (progressive) trance.
so what, I'm shut out off the scene ? I'll go cry in the corner and invent some 3rd side for the scene ?
btw, I don't listen to these both genres since they are boring. boring because they are formulated and commercialized. don't correct me if im wrong because im not wrong.
Trance music, is psy trance innovative sound desing and melodic perception - check out twisted releases like prometheus for example (i wonder which side he's going)...
And since you are in the scene since long time ago like me, it's not because you are old, it's because you want to be fluff  (i don't know what's better banging terrible full on or fluffy prog trance dancing clubbers)
And i'll keep the optimistic side to it and let you read my signature below...
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My nick is full_on, but my taste is psychedelic...
So that I want the best from these two sides you propose... I want groovy, danceable, psychedelic music.
I don't give a $#!Ŷ if it's progressive or full on stuff, I just want psychedelic melodies in the morning.
Why divide? What will we earn?? Have you ever thought about the price of this division??? And have we the power to divide??
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Ron Lyner
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Posted : Sep 21, 2003 00:24
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d-nox.. i get sad when i hear everyweek about the parties, all of the parties are the same psyco micro & azax syndrom and winter demon..
and everyone here that listen to trance, when you ask him what artists he like, he says: atomic pulse, astrix, psycho micro, etc.
and its the same everytime..
it is a boring situation.
when i just started to go to parties it wasn't like that at all (or i had luck with some good parties)..
you could hear progressive and full on in these parties.
it was like progressive and techtrance in the night and full on in the morning.
i have to say the old full on was much much better than todays fullon..
somthing like progressive fullon..
why today its not like that??? i have no idea so i can do nothing with this...
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Posted : Sep 21, 2003 00:31
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On 2003-09-20 22:41, Christian wrote:
traveller from where do you are?
Where I life the majority is totally open for every kind of trance music. The people here never ask for "is this a full on" or "progressive" party.
And you know why the progressive music in northern europe had such a highly-developed? Because the majority of people just enjoy and don`t need hypes.
I like this situation a lot...
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I'm from far more north than you are dude.. some call this town Helsinki.. Majority of finnish trancers honestly dislike everything that's foreign.. They are so freaking proud of their suomi soundi.. I hate it.. Thank god thirteen productions and a few others throw parties with international line-ups once or twice a month.. You sort of didn't understand my post cause what i was saying that i don't give a shit about genres.. Let there be a danceable beat and i'll dance to it.. I'm on fucking fire no matter the genre.. but for home listening I just require more.. but that's whole another topic.. but i don't like to see negative people at parties who are like "oh no full on again" "my" music (progressive) is so much better.. this is just shit.. or the other way around.. kapish?
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Posted : Sep 21, 2003 01:07
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Elysium> You can't force musical trends. They occur naturally, without our intervention. If the psytrance scene is ment to split, then it will happen - sooner or later.
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Posted : Sep 21, 2003 01:10
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Let me put a different spin on things.
I like deep and psychedelic music. I don't care if it's full-on (hell, someone plays Tim Schuldt at a party, I'll go nuts) or progressive or whatever. For all I care, if it's psychedelic polka with a solid 4/4 beat, I'll dance.
What part should I be in? Progressive? Full-on?
What would be the fun in going to parties where you are sure what everyone will play? Why not just make the DJs publish the tracklist for their sets before they play, so we can know what to expect? It's done in concerts (classical music).
Without the unexpected, the mind expanding concepts, things you never would have imagined... what would the psytrance world be?
Dividing the scene to subgenres will create a stagnation in each. Together things grow. Nitzhonot had a serious effect on full-on music, and while a LOT of people hated that style in the psytrance scene, full-on learned and adapted from that style (Astrix as a perfect example), as well as from the progressive/minimal structuring (definately wouldn't have Zerotonine without that), progressive learned from full-on (Son Kite's darker and more agressive things for instance), techtrance wouldn't exist without full-on as well (COP, early The Delta stuff) and so on.... Nowadays the diversity in the scene should be what takes it forward, not what defines it's boundries.
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Posted : Sep 21, 2003 01:31
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Fullon is today's nitzhonot.
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lets separate in peace!!
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traveller
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Posted : Sep 21, 2003 02:44
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i guess the full on side sort of owns isratrance.com since majority of people here prefer full on..
so progressive fans.. get lost and start your own page
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traveller
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Posted : Sep 21, 2003 02:49
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or hell why not just make it
forum.isratrance.com/full_on
forum.isratrance.com/progressive
forum.isratrance.com/melodic
forum.isratrance.com/tech
forum.isratrance.com/minimal
& so on
let's continue this categorization till each forum has exactly 1 member..
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Yuli
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The funny thing is that many of the progressive side ppl sound so terribly snobish and full of themselves like
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I can say about myself that I easily more into progressive sound of any kind, and find most of the full on music a little boring  but I would NEVER EVER go this low. Sorry Zombi, I respect u as a very nice character and very talented dj, but if even half of the ppl on 'your' side are as snobbish and arrogant as this, then I prefer the 'hippie-chakra-thingie' any given time.
In the end of the day all the high-culture-smart-asses that so full of themselves must remember that without Astral Projection ( an example ) and such, there would be no 'progressive scene'
This is revolting there fore I move to Psy Rock
Hope that only the Hippie Chakras will follow me there
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Posted : Sep 21, 2003 07:32
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Just thought I'd throw in my two cents worth as I haven't posted here for a while...
I think ultimately there is just good music and bad music. I like the progressive stuff, I think it's arguably better music than most of the full on stuff, but at a party I guess I prefer full-on. It's just I find that there is a lot of really derivative full-on, that really hasn't had a lot of thought put into it. I wish I could name names but I've only really got into psychedelic trance fairly recently as a result of travelling. I know what I like when I hear it though, and have been partying for many years at home in the UK (Acid techno parties more than trance though).
I think it would be a shame if the scene was to split in two, but I guess my answer would be is that if people aren't happy with the parties they're going to, then get it together to put on your own parties where you get to dictate the music. Learn to mix, do it yourself and see who follows. Whatever happens you'll probably have some fun and learn something from it. |
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Posted : Sep 21, 2003 08:43
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elysium, your words are indeed provocative, but in my opinion, you forgot to add arrogant.
i totally disagree with you, and agree with kaz on both counts.
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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It's just I find that there is a lot of really derivative full-on, that really hasn't had a lot of thought put into it.
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Yes, there is a lot of derivative full-on, and it's boring as hell. There's also a whole lot of boring progressive, too!
Anyway - I would instead separate the genre into 'Commercial Club Trance' which can be both full-on or progressive, and real Psychedelic Trance.
It seems that the split already happened once - back in 94-95? and the club branch at first did very well, but in the absense of real inspiration it withered and died out. It will happen again, and again, as people want to make more and more money off the music, and start making smooth shit for easy listening, their music gets cheesy and repetitive, and eventually people get tired of it and it withers away.
Good music is good music - some people can tell the difference instantly, for most people it takes a while, but make no mistake - it'll happen. And I think prog and full-on have the same motivation behind it, and if that remains pure, they can enrich each other immensely. |
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