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Pavel
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Mike A
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Posted : Feb 21, 2011 13:43
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On 2011-02-21 13:27, moki wrote:
as i said, i am tired of your scientific mumbo jumbo.
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and you can have a great placebo effect because chocolate is your totem or fetish,
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but nobody else will observe an effect besides you.
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but it is your own placebo, it can do a great artistic trip but it is not what i am looking for, because for me the whole thing is spiritual mumbo jumbo. |
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haha
I managed to piss you off  I feel so proud.
Anyway, those stuff I quoted can be said about quartz, water, 528, etc. All of the visionary stuff you are experiencing is placebo. That's it. So yes, it works. Just like chocolate will work. A chocolate is cheaper than quartz, you have to admit it.
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| but the cosmic octave will never be. and you are strongly adviced not to call it bullock in my presence but you are a grown up man and can think rationally about the consequences of everything you do. |
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I asked you before, but you didn't answer me.
What is the cosmic octave? Please, no links. I prefer to hear it from you. Explain to me.
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| with quartz and water i have exact models of diffraction and refraction , exact formulas of dependancy from the form, the weight, the temperature and the vibration, the speed of sound, and finally the exact sound that i can make.
Diffraction and refraction of what?
i can have a location and drow an acoustic picture and have the exact model of the waves before i even start. |
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Show me your equations please. This is interesting.
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| even my best friend the computer has a brain of quartz. |
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Actually, it works on silicon. Silicon is a component of quartz, but it's different. It's like saying that water and oxygen has is the same because water has oxygen in it.
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| quartz is thought to be one ot the oldest " substances" on earth, much older than we humans are. |
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It's not thought, it's known. Quartz is indeed old. So is carbon dioxide, sulfuric acid, methane, arsenic, lead, radioactive isotopes and lots of other stuff that can kill you. Being old doesn't mean it's any good. You know something? Quartz is even older than the earth. I guess that it's one of the oldest substances in the universe. After all, it's made out of silicon and oxygen and you need just one supernova to spread it around.
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| i need someone to tell the truth and to help me with an exact model of diffraction, refraction and resonance in a certain parameter in a certain location. |
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But you said you're good in math, no? Surely you can solve it yourself.
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| yesterday i looked for hours for this track of cosmic tone
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Again, what is the cosmic tone?
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Pavel
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Posted : Feb 21, 2011 14:08
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aciduss
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Posted : Feb 21, 2011 16:57
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moki
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Posted : Feb 22, 2011 01:55
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of course i can. but i prefer to be more efficient and fast evolving, to have fun and to feel communicative pleasure doing it with other people. inspiration comes out where two worlds meet, and not where individuals believe they'd be self sufficient.
btw i can solve it faster if you tell me (for example) 15 parameters that are important about a quartz wall regarding sound diffraction, refraction, resonance. not >15 or <15 but exactly the number of parameters that are important about quartz. do you know this?
and if you give me those exact parameters, then i will be sure to have solved the right thing and i will draw the model of sound waves within a location of quartz . it doesnt have to be in berlin, we can do it in a cave under jerusalem or on a van in spain too. whereever. i mean we can do the model of the quartz wall inside of a van too . and travel with the wall too.
basicly i am interested only in the vision - what would happen with such a wall, what would be possible to reach. and my intention is far way more serious than you think. because if i put my body in such a field of waves, then i will vibrate significantly diffferent than before that, my cells will vibrate. and may be it is too holistic for you, but diseases as well as psychic dissonances are thought to happen because of patterns in the body that do not vibrate the way they should - at least in holistic cultures. but i am sure this is too holistic and unscientific and placebo for you.
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| Show me your equations please. This is interesting. |
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why would this be interesting to you, what would be the reason for your interest? what would you do with the equations? would you trust yourself if you were me? and send your equations on the internet? post them somewhere?
besides, the equations with the quartz are not ready. but i have a passion for doing succesful things in the process of interaction with somebody else. this is almost like good sex - you dont make good sex alone. you make good sex with feedback.
but let us not fuse the scientific method with the basics of good sex. this was for the sake of the forums fun.
yes, i know this about quartz - that it is older than the earth. i find it unbelievable that you say this - i was going to write it, but i thought, stop, this is too holistic for this rational mind.
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| I asked you before, but you didn't answer me.
What is the cosmic octave? Please, no links. I prefer to hear it from you. Explain to me. |
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how many sentence do you want to hear? one? five? wouldnt it be best if i write a longer text for you, which is cleared from spiritual mumbo jumbo and includes only rational observation? would you read it then, would you continue doing shameless self profiling, forgetting that there is one more person here which could emphasise on minimum respect for her ideas ?
if you give me the parameters of quartz i mentioned above, i give you a detailed explanation about the cosmic octave with the most rational observation possible. although i dont promise i will do this in public.
no, you did not piss me off. you are like water to float into the fire. i would be almost sure that the water influence in your astro profile is exactly where my fire is, and have lots of. but this is another story. i am not so interested in theories that dont work, but only in the observation. if i experience it works, then i know.
btw i am reading something about the constants of physics right now, which are evolving together with the universe after the big bang, written by a biochemist, very interesting to know that the whole known physic is based on constants that are only proven in experimentations and observations and not coming through rational theory
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Colin OOOD
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Basilisk
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Posted : Feb 22, 2011 02:57
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On 2011-02-21 13:27, moki wrote:
as i said, i am tired of your scientific mumbo jumbo. |
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Yet you continue making claims subject to scientific verification. Now I see you are challenging a geology specialist about the physical properties of quartz. Seems like you are a glutton for punishment!
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spacelove
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Posted : Feb 22, 2011 08:52
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twenty three and then space
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mk47
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Outolintu
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The Kepler space telescope measures the sizes and ages of stars five times better than any other means - when it "listens" to the sounds they make.
Bill Chaplin, speaking at the AAAS conference in Washington, said that Kepler was an exquisite tool for what is called "astroseismology".
The technique measures minuscule variations in a star's brightness that occur as soundwaves bounce within it.
The Kepler team has now measured some 500 far-flung stars using the method.
Bill Chaplin of the University of Birmingham told the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science that astroseismology was, in essence, listening to the "music of the stars".
But it is not sound that Kepler measures. Its primary job is spotting exoplanets, by measuring the tiny dip in the amount of light that it sees when a planet passes in front of a distant star.
Such precision light-level measurements also work for astroseismology, because as sound waves resonate within a star, they slightly change both the brightness and the colour of light that is emitted.
Researchers can deduce the acoustic oscillations that gave rise to the ripples on the light that Kepler sees.
Like a musical instrument, the lower the pitch, the bigger the star. That means that the sounds are thousands of times lower than we can hear.
But there are also overtones - multiples of those low frequencies - just like instruments, and these give an indication of the depth at which the sound waves originate, and the amount of hydrogen or helium they are passing through.
Since stars fuse more and more hydrogen into helium as they grow older, these amounts give astroseismologists a five-fold increase in the precision of their age estimates for stars.
"With conventional astronomy, when we look at stars we're seeing the radiation emitted at their surfaces; we can't actually see what's happening inside."
"Using the resonances, we can literally build up a picture of what the inside of a star looks like - there's no other way of doing that. It's not easy to do, but we're now getting there, thanks to Kepler."
Kepler is not the first mission to lend itself to astroseimology; Canada's Most and Esa's Corot satellites, for example, are designed specifically to collect similar data.
But just the first few months of observations by Kepler has provided scientists with data on hundreds of stars, whereas Dr Chaplin said that only about 20 have been studied in detail before.
"Suddenly we have this huge database to mine," he said.
"I could literally spend the rest of my research career working on these data - we're just starting to mine them."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12507032
http://www.npr.org/2011/02/20/133914639/tuning-in-space-noise-for-sounds-of-life
http://www.sound-physics.com/Biography/Kepler/
http://www.sound-physics.com/Music-Physics/Music-Spheres/
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moki
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Posted : Feb 22, 2011 14:37
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nice links, thanks a lot.
@basilisk, i dont see it as masochism to ask for the physical properties of quartz. (but it might be right that it is masochism to do this in this forum, because i obviously often feel hurt to do so) .
but i still hope that people listening to trance must be significantly more open minded, although it might be a great illusion as well. i should start the same talk in a geologist forum as well and see the difference.
can this hurt me or affect me in any way - to know what a geology specialist says about the parameters of quartz? the worst thing to happen is, if he doesnt answer me. saying that my vision is bullock does not affect me at all, neither the statement that it has no scientific validation. what mike and people like you are doing all the time in the thread is to take a word or two that has not been expressed in high scientific english and to say - you see, we told you you have no idea what you'Re talking about because the chip is not made of quartz - it is made of silicon. you think this hurts me in some way? we live in an age when everyone knows where the name of silicon valley comes from and why bill gates and others give milliards away to research silicon. and i am obviously not doing a scientific report in isratrance, expressing exact technical english. i could do this for mike though, about the cosmic octave, if he says at least once that he would take it seriously and not spot on that - then i could write it , take the time with a dictionary of technical english and do this for him.
asking questions, no matter how big mumbo jumbo they might be, is a very nice way to know more about the scientific restrictions in the mind of a scientist. and mike is not the only " scientist" ot this type that i have to do with. actually he reminds me so much of my brother who is an engineer and he now finally started to develop an interest in homeopathy and the memory of water with the age of 35. it is the first intersection i have with him as a grwon up, besides programming and computers.
it is always fun to see how scientists base their whole quest for truth mostly on the attempt to prove others wrong, to reject any theory that doesnt fit to their systems of knowledge even before proving it wrong or validating it. as i said, i truely recommend this great biologist rupert sheldrake, who is exploring the objectivity of science and the question how often do we actually take scientific theories for granted , even b nobelists, that are actually not giving a proper objectivity and are totally biased by the believes of the experimentator.
yes, i challenged mike on the last page once , only once in this discussion, but he refused to take the challenge, so no challenges any more.
i dont think i am challenging mike with the parameters of quartz. if he wrote his master on quartz, then i am sure it was within the first 10 pages, where he listet the physical properties of quartz, because this is something they probably learn in the first two years of education.
i have two geologists in my friends circle, they are much older and they are both parents of one of my best friends. they go to lovely scientific journeys outside in nature, but they are very spiritual as well and would not help me further with validations. one of them is a great yogi as well, and always has quartz while meditating.
it is also a great lesson of public relation for my own projects, because i write a lot to different institutions, and some of them are totally against spiritual mumbo jumbo and they obviously need other sources of interest outside of the spiritual mumbo jumbo. sponsors, advertisers, and so on. it is good to know how to talk to them best.
but yes, actually you must be right about the masochism, because again i lost time that i could use elsewhere. for example to make the experiment happen as soon as possible. only the right people are needed to come together, as it is always in life.
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Posted : Feb 22, 2011 15:13
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it is always fun to see how scientists base their whole quest for truth mostly on the attempt to prove others wrong, to reject any theory that doesnt fit to their systems of knowledge even before proving it wrong or validating it.
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Mike A
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Posted : Feb 22, 2011 15:54
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yes, i challenged mike on the last page once , only once in this discussion, but he refused to take the challenge, so no challenges any more.
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What challenge?
Properties of quartz?
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http://www.handbookofmineralogy.org/pdfs/quartz.pdf
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Beat Agency
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moki
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Posted : Feb 22, 2011 16:41
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On 2011-02-22 14:37, moki wrote:
yes, i challenged mike on the last page once , only once in this discussion, but he refused to take the challenge, so no challenges any more.
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What challenge?
Properties of quartz?
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http://www.handbookofmineralogy.org/pdfs/quartz.pdf
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no, the only challenge i had for you was the resonance and the sound wave refraction model in a location where the walls are made of quartz. you said, no need for you to go there and do the experiment because you can say it "now" even before the experiment that the cosmic octave is bullock.
it is written in the last page.
but i will post the same ideas in a geologist forum and see how it evolves. just to see the difference.
the properties of quartz are not a challenge, as i already explained in the last post, but you dont seem to even read. so lets keep a door open and in a few months we could meet ( talk ) again, may be you changed your opinion or you transcended your restrictions.
the properties of quartz, that are needed for this model (at least in my model) are for example in the form:
a - opacity - variations between x and z, average x1, most common x2 etc
b - tenacity - variations between x and z, average x1, most common x2 etc
c - hardness - variations between x and z, average x1, most common x2 etc
d - colour - variations between x and z, average x1, most common x2 etc
e - may be molecular structure, or f.e. things like qualities of molecular structure, frequency of associated electromagnetic waves. things like that.
let us leave the bla bla bla now. it goes on the nerve.
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