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Posted : Feb 20, 2011 03:57
also this one. but it is not for people who need rational arguments, because there is not even one of them inside.
just wanted to say that " a chocolate candy" can definitely not have the same effect as that quartz crystal bowl.
obviously the rational thought is too rational for this.
what a great need i just had on being in jerusalem right now...
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Posted : Feb 20, 2011 05:15
p.s.
i meant the rational scientific thought about molecules and atoms.
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Posted : Feb 20, 2011 08:22
Wow.
Bullshit alarm just went off the scale again.
Nice sounds. Definitely relaxing. Not something you can't do with some VSTs, or any other object (maybe even chocolate!) shaped the same. I must say that the "live" effect is important here. It's still nice. Is this real quartz? Taking a single crystal and shaping it like this would be really expensive. If I was there, I'd test it by dropping one on the floor. Real quartz would just punch a hole. Glass would shatter.
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wow, just saw something even more interesting!!!!
this is in jerusalem. ever been there?
I didn't understand what they are doing there. Waving this fork and playing one of the bowls?
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On 2011-02-20 00:52, Pavel wrote:
Mike, apparently there are Israelis that believe this mumbo jumbo as well:
http://www.ahava528.com
Quoting and translating:
"Water is the best conductor in existence. When we are in water, our body which is mostly made of water, receives exact frequencies which resonates (echoes, literally) in energy centers in the body, and cell which were hitherto dormant, come to life."
Magic mineral solution!
So what is it made of?
According to the guy in the video it's made of citric acid and "some compound of chlorine". After checking the website of that Jim guy, it turns out to be chlorite anion (ClO2-).
Citric acid = the thing that makes lemons sour.
Chlorite = the stuff they used to put in drinking water and swimming pools to disinfect it.
So it's definitely not magic, and it's not even mineral. It is a solution though. How would this cure just about every disease, or how would it "clean" the system? I'm not sure.
Yes, lemon is a healthy thing and I recommend a lemon for everyone. Chlorinated water is disinfecting. But this will not cure cancer, not HIV. Just another scam.
I like how they say "we are not doctors, and not scientists, but this hasn't killed anyone yet some it's safe".
They thought cigarettes didn't kill anyone, until it did. Not saying that this MMS will give you cancer, but still. If someone would give you chocolate candy, saying it would cure your cancer "because it hasn't killed anyone yet" I'm sure you wouldn't take it.
He also mentions something about healing effects of gold, silver, and copper. The silver myth is old, uneffective and even dangerous. It will change your skin color (google it up, it's even a bit funny). Copper is poison - not sure about the exact details and dosages but it does kill fish and stuff. I wouldn't drink it. Gold wouldn't do anything, it's what they call a "noble metal". Chemically, it doesn't react with anything (usually). You'll just pee it out of the system. Waste of gold! better use it on jewelery.
And moki - that last video you posted. 1:11 - this will not heal you. This will give you tinnitus.
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Yea this guy looks legit. If he'd sell this shit himself I'd personally file a complaint against him. What a scam. People like him make me despise hippies. There is a difference between open-mindedness and stealing poor people's money.
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Posted : Feb 20, 2011 13:25
Capitalist hippies.
Some of the more ambitious ones start a cult then fuck all the virgins.. In the name of free love. Or whatever. Filthy fkers
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Posted : Feb 20, 2011 15:46
do they write when is the next festival with crystal bowls they are going to do and how much it costs? i see somewhere between the letters that there is something in the beginning of march, how much does this cost and where is it ? just asking out of couriousity. i would like such a festival more than the nowadays trance healing festivals where people smash their heads on the decks behind the curtains, and actually even in public, and take entrances of a couple of hundred dollars for this "healing". it has exactly the same flavour for me and it is often even more commercial.
one of my best friends from israel will love this. females are luckily far ways more intuitive and irrational )) well, mostly, not trying to start a gender debate. one of the very irrational intuition that i have , is that it cannot be an incident that i found them right here while discussing in isratrance com. it is one of those synchronisities that have to mean something.
i like their videos. here where i am, i know some people who make such rituals , but i ve never seen them at trance festivals. the basic insufficiency with a vst would definitely be the spacy sound in the place. i can imagine that you could have the same effect with this type of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_field_synthesis or may be with an innovative sound system concept of quartz walls. but not with a normal vst. i know there is a basic problem with recording such sound because i accompanied some people with the camera once and we tried to make something like a presentation of their healing. well, the sound was definitely gone after recording. i agree that it is about the live affect, which is exactly what i was explaining about my own sound in the production forum.
yes, it is mostly made of quartz but it can also be made of glass. they are relatively expensive but they are not more expensive than a good synth or any other instrument.
but it obviously must be a crystal, because nothing else will resonate that way. you dont mean it seriously with the chocolate in the same form, dont you, mike?
what he is doing with the tuning fork in the cave under jerusalem? he is checking if it vibrates. tuning forks are very sensible and as i said earlier only two hz can decide if they vibrate or not. like for example if it is a fork for 432 hz, it would not vibrate if the sound is played in 430 hz. since the guy in the cave does not have electronic devises to see what is the frequence exactly, he checks if he is doing it right with the fork.
p.s. the issue with the gold is even more important in terms of alchemy. very interesting subject! but it would be off topic here...
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Posted : Feb 20, 2011 16:55
thanks guys you have inspired me to get my ass to the hot pools today for some healing (relaxing).
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i'll be doing the same right now. but artificially.
there are so many questions to think about.
what would happen if i put a surface of quartz on all walls of a studio? what would the resonance be then, how would it change exactly, in terms of physics?
quartz is known to have very interesting qualities in terms of electromagnetism. i dont know much about it, but i have read that it is able to mechanically reload the place or an object in north and south direction. once more, i dont know much about it and would love to know more.
hey, mike, i would really love to interview you )) would be more than great to have some serious knowledge about quartz coming from a scientist. also , i somehow think of the need of a professional who could help us prepare a quartz resonant wall in the psychedelic museum about the cosmic octave, if i fullfil my dream. i mean, this is a very serious thing, and i would love to experiment with that on scientific level and have someone like you, who can always say, hey, this is bullock or has no validation.
if it happens, i will write to you to ask you if you wanna come to berlin formally . i definitely do need an expert on quartz with a sound engineering touch. may be you are the exact person coming irrationally to us to fullfill the task. but lets see.
also, how much would it cost to make all walls out of quartz? what about rare pink amethist? should be a plain surface or totally different geometric forms.
hm, questions over questions. lets go to a whirl pool now.
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yes, it is mostly made of quartz but it can also be made of glass
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but it obviously must be a crystal, because nothing else will resonate that way
Glass is not a crystal.
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you dont mean it seriously with the chocolate in the same form, dont you, mike?
I am serious. Chocolate is an organic substance made of mostly carbon, hydrogen and oxygen and we all know they have their isotopes and each has their spectral frequencies.
Keep it cool enough so it will not melt or deform and I'm sure you can make a working musical instrument out of it.
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what would happen if i put a surface of quartz on all walls of a studio?
The studio will sound horrible. It will reflect just about everything.
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i somehow think of the need of a professional who could help us prepare a quartz resonant wall in the psychedelic museum about the cosmic octave, if i fullfil my dream. i mean, this is a very serious thing, and i would love to experiment with that on scientific level and have someone like you, who can always say, hey, this is bullock or has no validation.
I will tell you now - this is bullock. No need for me to go there.
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also, how much would it cost to make all walls out of quartz? what about rare pink amethist?
Too much. Way too much.
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then i will look for somebody else , dont take it so seriously ))
every year at least a couple of thousend geologists come out of university and can be asked about it. )) some even like the idea to get 20 tsd for a nice experiment from the cultural senat:)
also we definitely prefer somebody who has the ability to explain a bullock with more polite words without ruining the reputation of the people he is speaking to in every post:))))).
have a nice day and success with your geology studies.
p.s. if the crystal wall can really do this, it sounds almost like perpeto mobile of resonance.
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you dont mean it seriously with the chocolate in the same form, dont you, mike?
I am serious. Chocolate is an organic substance made of mostly carbon, hydrogen and oxygen and we all know they have their isotopes and each has their spectral frequencies.
Keep it cool enough so it will not melt or deform and I'm sure you can make a working musical instrument out of it.
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also we definitely prefer somebody who has the ability to explain a bullock with more polite words without ruining the reputation of the people he is speaking to in every post:))))).
So basically, you want someone who will lie for money?
Sorry, I prefer to speak the truth. Keep your money.
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p.s. if the crystal wall can really do this, it sounds almost like perpeto mobile of resonance.
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and this is the last thing i will say to your absurd ideas and statements.
You are just not being open-minded! Did you try? Maybe science is not advanced enough to realize that chocolate is a substance with magical powers. Every time I eat chocolate I have a great feeling, it must be related. They should make chocolate bowls and play music from it, because it can cure cancer for sure and change your DNA! I can just feel it!
The internal resonance of the isotope frequencies of chocolate can travel multi dimensions into the inner self and the consciousness..
Ok, back to real science.
Let's talk about polymorphs of quartz. There is the usual quartz which we call alpha quartz, or low quartz and this is the quartz you see all the time. There is also beta quartz, or high quartz, which does not exist in ambient temperatures. It just turns to alpha quartz, so your bowls can't be made out of it. The high pressure ones, coesite and stishovite are rare even in nature and do not exist in sizes big enough to make bowls. Cristobalite and tridymite, the high temperature ones, may form a certain appearance of opal, but that's not a crystal so you can't use it.
So in short, polymorphism has nothing to do with it. It's like saying that diamond and graphite (two polymorphs) have the same properties. They don't.
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crystal bowls can be made of glass but you almost dont hear anything. they are made of quartz.
Take a glass of wine and move your finger around it. What do you hear? Sound! Yay!
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as i said, i am tired of your scientific mumbo jumbo.
yes, you can try to do a singing bowl out of chocolate, make it hard enough to be able to sound like a singing bowl.
and you can have a great placebo effect because chocolate is your totem or fetish, and there are even a few gods like chocoatl and things like that, which would take your self placebo trip out to very interesting transpersonal realities. but nobody else will observe an effect besides you.
if you keep it freezed and want to stay in freezed temperatures yourself, you might even get a tiny sound that you could amplify and then invade the trance world with the next big thing, chosing a great promotion way to call yourself the spirit of chocoatl and to make a great festival selling the best curing chocolates on earth, that were purified with a godly frequency. you know.
but it is your own placebo, it can do a great artistic trip but it is not what i am looking for, because for me the whole thing is spiritual mumbo jumbo. btw as i told you earlier in a message, even the 528 hz is a spiritual mumbo jumbo in some way, but the cosmic octave will never be. and you are strongly adviced not to call it bullock in my presence but you are a grown up man and can think rationally about the consequences of everything you do.
you can do it out of freezed potatos even, rub them mechanically with wooden sticks and try to bring them to vibration. it is easy and you can try it the next time you cook. but the main insufficiency in your scientific method will be the total inability to predict an experiment. quartz is very predictable. as well as metal. and water.
i am more interested in visionary ground breaking projects, and i never had interest in ordinary things that dont bring me to anything. a visionary ground breaking project is a project that can surprise a significant amount of people with important fundings about our reality.
with quartz and water i have exact models of diffraction and refraction , exact formulas of dependancy from the form, the weight, the temperature and the vibration, the speed of sound, and finally the exact sound that i can make.
i can have a location and drow an acoustic picture and have the exact model of the waves before i even start.
and i know that the sound will be much more serious, much more powerful, much more interesting to investigate and experiment with with quartz than with any other thing, because the quality of quartz is ground breaking itself. even my best friend the computer has a brain of quartz. quartz is thought to be one ot the oldest " substances" on earth, much older than we humans are. i dont even need to freeze things like chocolate and potatos and to lose time.
and if you knew me personally, you would be ashamed to tell me that i am interested in the money and how this thing would sell. but you dont know me so it is ok. i am interested to experiment. if i had the money now, i would not talk but i would try immediately to work it out. but i dont have the money, and honestly if i had it, i would spent it altogether on the experiment and not on myself.
i dont need someone to lie at all. i need someone to tell the truth and to help me with an exact model of diffraction, refraction and resonance in a certain parameter in a certain location. if he is certified to do this, i can have it easier to persuade the cultural senta that it is important to give us the money to experiment instead of building the next casino for touris in berlin.
but as i said, i will just find another man with more visionary thought of what is possible. yesterday i looked for hours for this track of cosmic tone, this was the project with that great sample wasnt it? did not find. watched 200 clips in youtube with israeli fullon. at the end i felt so small and suddently i realized again that the vision is as small as a tiny blitz of a molecule. but the speed of light and the light itself is denser than anything else.
