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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 13, 2005 19:44
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On 2005-02-13 19:23, HandA wrote:
But the Radio is properly the no. 1 promotion tool (after video's - but we dont use videos..) that actually still contribute to CD sales but of course also to downloading. Nothing is perfect.
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I agree it's the no 1 promotion tool for mainstream music, but at the same time I remember when me and my friends was recording shows i liked from the radio and listening to those instead of buying the music.
Sometimes I bought some of the music as well, but far from all.
So the issues is the same with downloading and radio from my experience.
And sure you can say that radio promote downloading as well, but obviously downloading promote music as well, and especially in a scene where there is no radio play to speak about.
I considered to join the swedish royalty organisation, STIM, especially since I have some $300 to collect from them from mechanical royalties (which is a completly different story than broadcasting royalties).
But I decided not to, because I would have to hand over all my licensing rights to them for the rest of my life, and thats not worth to do for me.
And worst of all, I would have to pay $200 per month to Britney for having my own tracks on a site for listening or download.
I doubt you paid that fee when you gave a track of yours away for downloading, which made it illegal.
I very much doubt that I could convince STIM to start getting lists from all clubs and internet streams of what tracks they play and make their licensing terms more accepable to me.
Britney her self might not know a lot about royaltiy organisations, but the label behind her sure do and have a lot more influence than some trance producer.
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Spindrift
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And...HandA...about suggestions.
Of course if it was an easy solution there would been people doing that already.
My main points about how to change things is:
1) Artists should not be expecting to make a living out of trance and relax, enjoy and realise they are doing music for fun. If they happen to be able to make money out of it it's a blessing and something that is happens to very few.
If that was the attitude there would of course not be a problem. The problem is really due to the expecation that one should make money from your music. Without that expectation there is no problem.
2) Labels could work on a non-commercial basis and accept that making money from releasing trance is damned hard.
Or if they are serious about making money be a bit more serious about running the label as a commercial enterprise.
That means analyzing the market and looking for ways to make more money based on research and not presumptions.
Employ staff that have education and experience concerning the various skills required like marketing and promotion, artist and repetoiare and getting booking for their artists.
If they did that job well most artists would be happy to give a mangament share for the label per booking.
3) Explore new ways of selling the music, be it downloads, SACD or audio DVD, possibility to create custom compilations online. etc etc.
They have to provide a service better than P2P networks, then people will pay. It has been proven with many sites the last couple of years that people do pay for quality. But not if the service they get for free is better, and why should they??
4) Use the new ways that music is being sold to cut away the share for the label, distributor and/or shops to ensure that as much as possible of what people actually spend ends up in the hands of the producers.
Like I said, no easy solutions, but until labels try and people get familiar with their new ways of making business they cannot complain IMO at least.
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Trip-
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Posted : Feb 13, 2005 20:36
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so wait wait a second let me calculate spindrfit...
Labels' sales go lower and lower...
Internet mp3 downloading spreading wider and wider...
im calculating very hard now - oh! Labels must've been using outdated bussines methods... !
so let's all adapt to reality then - right? mr. 'speak-ur-own-opinion-aloud' (pfft)
why do you speak then? to change reality or to adapt to it?
From your words I understand that everyone who's running a label today is a stupid bussines planner - who's thinking strictly unimaginatively.
And only one man (without a label), yes you, know the ultimate solution ! perfection in its own image!
I only react this way, to show you how phenominaly 'preaching' you painted urself here...
Bussines is all about making more money - and to find new ways to make more money - if you think RIAA have lost the touch of making money, then I guess we need to swim our own paths.
Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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_Vanessa_
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Posted : Feb 13, 2005 20:44
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when I go party , between each 10 people I talk to, 8 of them are making music, and one is coming to enjoy and the other is trying to support the party.
guys is not only dowload that became easier, what would take for someone to make music in the past?
it may look stupid question but do you artists and label owner buy music you like?
think on... I find it quiet suprising to meet someone at a party who is not making music... heye |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 13, 2005 20:53
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@Trip
Ok...you check around a bit and see what top analysists say about the current situation in the music industry.
It's not all my own words, I have borrowed quite a few from wallstreet analysts.
You think you must be right because you agree with RIAA???
Maybe you should try to use your own mind instead of thinking that RIAA is an authority and therefore must be right.
Infact music sales seem to correlate more to the high price CD has nowadays combined with the low economy.
That alone could account for the sloping by 10-15% last years according to statistics.
Read RIAA's calculations.
They really do calculate on each download being a lost sale.
Maybe that's sensible to you, but it's not to many economists.
There is many more factors, and consumers do not have unlimited money at their disposal.
It boggles me how an association like RIAA can seem to ignore basic economic factors like that, and like I said, I'm not the only one that think's it's strange.
Actually most the major lables has music as a small side business and it's not really that vital to them.
EMI for example make many many times more money selling weapons.
So sometimes I do wonder if their main interest is not controlling what we listen to rather than making money and that might be why the are so slow to adapt.
At least in the top these cooperations is run by old men who can have problems catching up with reality as well.
But one of my main points is that to make money also trance lables need to operate in a serious way.
And i think that trying to run a label from the bedroom without proper financial backup or experience in marketing and PR makes it damned hard to make good profit and sales.
No matter what business model you choose.
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EYB
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Posted : Feb 13, 2005 20:54
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Vanessa do u think it is good to make music or not good to make music?
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_Vanessa_
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Posted : Feb 13, 2005 20:58
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And? Vanessa do u think it is good to make music or not good to make music?
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would you like to pay me to listen to your music? I may invent a new form of dance that everyone will go OH! |
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EYB
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Posted : Feb 13, 2005 21:01
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On 2005-02-13 20:54, EYB wrote:
And? Vanessa do u think it is good to make music or not good to make music?
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would you like to pay me to listen to your music? I may invent a new form of dance that everyone will go OH!
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Maybe, i don't know. How much $ and what do u offer for it? 
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_Vanessa_
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Posted : Feb 13, 2005 21:04
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depends on you gonna promote your music to me... because if you are not so secure about it, don't even thing I will expose my ear to it.
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Posted : Feb 13, 2005 21:10
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anyway I am just trying to point a different view here, but who got it got it
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HandA
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Posted : Feb 13, 2005 21:15
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On 2005-02-13 20:53, Spindrift wrote:
And i think that trying to run a label from the bedroom without proper financial backup or experience in marketing and PR makes it damned hard to make good profit and sales.
No matter what business model you choose.
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see now we're talking sense here
This is an issue I have tried to debate many times. That Bedroom labels do more harm to the scene than good. Why do you ask? Because when someone start a Bedroom label it's evident that the label wont be able to finance high quality releases both in technical terms but also in music quality. And now why's that? Well a Bedoom label can not afford to promote the artists properly so the artists that make quality music, and here I am not talking solely sound quality, seek other more qualified territories.
So what does a Bedroom label end up with? Friends copy & paste music. The cloned track no 10.001.
Now I dont say that every Bedroom label is a dead end street and i surely dont say all music released on bedroom labels are bad. But 99.9% sure is!
If we want to make a scene that grow and develop both creative but also financially so we can make things a bit more interesting. Yes we need money to make things happen  Then we need more people thinking more professional instead of thinking about the next Bong
But I am quite sceptical and tend to think that things wont change for the better. I am of the view that things will go much worse and even be the end of many things as we know it in this scene. Maybe our scene then re-invent itself into something better. Or maybe it will simply vanish and other things will take it's place. I don't know.. The possibilities are many but we do have a saying if we bother |
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EYB
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Posted : Feb 13, 2005 21:15
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@_Vanessa_
Ok, if i got u right u say we have to much people that make music?
But the more music we have the more music is avaible that we maybe like.
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_Vanessa_
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Posted : Feb 13, 2005 21:41
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@_Vanessa_
Ok, if i got u right u say we have to much people that make music?
But the more music we have the more music is avaible that we maybe like.
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sure, I think the last post from Handa is getting more clarifying... How can a bedroom label call mp3s players abusers, one thing pulls the other, and I think people are really missing the point and just wasting.
It is nice to have many options, but the only way to know about the so many tracks is by sharing them... it is not possible to know who is good and who is not if not having a go in listening, some will have lots of skills others creativity, and again... it may had been a big thing mid 90s, but how many artists had been increased to our scene since then? Is it proportional to the amount of parygoers consumers...? The luck of people wanting to spread their creativity in this scene making music is 120% higher than the number of consumer. So if someone think their bussiness have been ruined, instead of trying to stop mp3s, (stupid suggestion now) why not try to stop new people making music?
It is all so silly. I know there're labels and labels, artists and artists, I know that 
as it was mentioned here, marketing is really important, and if the person is confident with his/her work there is a vast chance of new opportunities when they have their mind open to it, now, try to stop the wind or change it's direction, that is crazy, sorry ... |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 13, 2005 21:45
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