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YOU CAN MAKE PSYTRANCE BIGGER !!!!!!!!!!
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PlutoDelic
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Posted : Sep 11, 2005 05:22
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with all my respect, but i wouldnt make a mistake like other genres did
@talamasca, changes are not always good, just imagine, you on an interview where girls scream, TALA, I LOVE YOU
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Krell
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Posted : Sep 11, 2005 06:02
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Skazi, GMS & Infected Mushroom.
For SURE the artists I want to earn us the respect of the rest of the world - After all, after listening to those, who wouldnt want more of that and throw all their savings after artists producing similar music.
I rest my case.
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Erevos
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Posted : Sep 11, 2005 22:21
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Yeah,make DC++ hubs bigger! |
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cinik
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Posted : Sep 12, 2005 02:30
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hie cedric.
I think once again you have a great idea and the courage to come to speak about it .
I disagree with people who say that it is to become commercial that to do this kind of things like this website. I think that it is not to enter the system, but to use its weakness to make the genre we are listening more accessible to those who can not have access to it.
I leave myself in the country side and i would like to have some more radio shows of the music i like, and as you say, "why is it bad?"
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Braindrop
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Posted : Sep 12, 2005 14:49
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hey ced!!!
it was really valiant of u to bring this out.....!!!
the reason wat i feel, and im quite sure a number a of our fellow psy heads do also, is that the D's r the main cause of psytrance being secluded.....ask anybody......wats a rave party????!! aahhhh...they'd say a bunch of maniacs gettin high and dancin the night away......!!!! ... but thats the only thing that they think abt....wat they think is...Its the D's primary....and the music secondary!!!
trust me ced.....if we can get the D image out of it!!!! WE CAN MAKE PSYTRANCE BIGGER!!! or who knows ,THE Biggest!!!!!
peace and respect
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talamasca
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 03:40
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ah!ah!ah!
by saying : music is "secondary", in a way, you are insulting a lot of people...
But, yes, i got your point of view...and you are not totally wrong...but i make music for the other ones, and believe me , they are a lot...
Ok, this was one of the most visited topic of the summer....i enjoyed a lot ! 
It is always cool to have real discussion instead of an argument...keep doing the same in the other topics....
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Tasos_NOtrea
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 04:13
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Ok guys...What are you talking about?Did you remember?10 years ago?Everyone from dance community has a big respect at productions and music of MWNN,Astral Projection,Etnica,Juno Reactor and many more!We don't need some votes to gain the respect we deserve (I doubt if the biggest "psy-trance" deserves respect nowdays).The only thing that scene needs is the good music!Many of you want to believe that you are part of best electronic dance music nowdays!Perhaps psy-trance 5-10 years ago was!But not nowdays!Get serious!How could gain our respect back with skazi and all the fake,childish,hysteric "music"?With high bpm tracks with no reason?With easy work and money?With no inspiration?With no new protoypes?Why some projects that have influences and elements in their music from other music styles gain a big respect from other music style crowds?We are stuck without evolution at Full on Shit formulas for the last three years while the other music styles evolving and evolving by the years?Get serious!I don't want to cause bad feelings to nobody here...Just think all that things! Also please...Stop the big use of chemical drugs..That's disaster and for music and for people.Maybe that's the main reason of our decadence..Drugs in small doses can expands your mind but after the limit they lock your mind in a prison..So your head is stucked and you cannot accept something different!
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Braindrop
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 16:49
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On 2005-09-13 03:40, talamasca wrote:
ah!ah!ah!
by saying : music is "secondary", in a way, you are insulting a lot of people...
But, yes, i got your point of view...and you are not totally wrong...but i make music for the other ones, and believe me , they are a lot...
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i really do not mean to insult anybody.....and the 'they' who i am referring to r the ppl , who consider psytrance and raves as a taboo...and im quite sure u do understand...and i really appreciate ur music coz it simply ROCKS!!!! i guess just like the way ppl have Sex education...i think its tim to implement Psytrance/Rave education.... ....wat do u say bro????
o and by the way...r u comin up with any releases in fuure?....wld love to hear some if any!!!!
peace
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MercuryFall
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 17:29
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First,
thanks talamasca for bringing such an interesting thread. I know you put every effort in making great tracks and you need your work recognised, i think it's a natural need for producers to reach more people all the time. If you feel your music can reach many and you're stuck in an underground type of 'fanbase', it's normal to want to break through.
Now, we all agree that PARTYING is the goal of our music. Home listening is cool, but it doesnt compare... So our focus is still to make the best parties, with the best spirit and awareness to nature, to others, everything Krall stands for in his posts. Will MTV or FM Radio exposure help us make better parties? I'm not too sure of that. IMHO, word of mouth and introducing new people to the party zone is the best promo we can make for our scene. I mean, a psy party speaks for itelf: the friendly people, the amazing UV deco, the wilderness of the spots, that's part of what makes our scene specific.
So you want to promote yourselves on 'www.whosthemostpopulardj.com'? go and have a thrill! if you can sell a few more albums this way, why the hell not??? Let's just focus on partying, and not be tempted by a ££££$$$$ ibiza style of psytrance who would ruin the spirit and the specificity of this scene and all that makes it special to us.
I wish talamasca good luck promoting his hard work, and yes, i bought zodiac back then nice cover and artwork i should say, and great tracks. especially loved Aries (that was overplayed in parties!)
And to fellow promoters, let's make great parties. that's it!
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Krell
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Posted : Sep 14, 2005 06:21
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Quote MercuryFall
"I know you put every effort in making great tracks and you need your work recognised, i think it's a natural need for producers to reach more people all the time. If you feel your music can reach many and you're stuck in an underground type of 'fanbase', it's normal to want to break through. "
This is all true - and theres nothing wrong with it, its natural. However, the end does not justify the means. Thats my point. "Making psytrance bigger", "make it more respected" - By voting for Talamasca or another Psy act on thedjlist ? I think not, it doesnt bring these goals any closer, perhaps even the opposite.
It would be better just to write "Hey, please vote for me, or your favourite psy act on thedjlist, it will help is sell more albums and perhaps get more live gigs - we really need the money".
Quote MercuryFall
"So our focus is still to make the best parties, with the best spirit and awareness to nature, to others, everything Krall stands for in his posts. Will MTV or FM Radio exposure help us make better parties? I'm not too sure of that. IMHO, word of mouth and introducing new people to the party zone is the best promo we can make for our scene. I mean, a psy party speaks for itelf: the friendly people, the amazing UV deco, the wilderness of the spots, that's part of what makes our scene specific."
Yes, I believe that is our focus - Better parties = better culture, we come together at the parties & here on the net, this is where we need to focus.
Im actually sure that introducing a lot of mainstream people into psy is a bad thing, it happened before, in the mid nineties there was a boom at psy parties, at least here - Soon we started seeing fights, and people who would just come to do drugs and didnt give a shit about anything else than that.
Perhaps people are not aware or this ? Perhaps they foolishly believe it is as bad as it can get already ? Or perhaps they dont give a damn because what they want is to earn money thru a bigger scene. (Talamasca already said psy is his life - but you can still be right in your intentions, and wrong in your actions - it has certainly happened to me before ).
I truely believe, that in order to keep a very good/healthy & sort of authentic vibe at parties, people need to be initiated - They need more info on what its all about, and no, they do not need to figure it out for themselves. They can get the info, and then decide what they want to do with it - No rush. But they need to be aware of that they are entering another culture, and they need to know something about that culture before hand from someone who knows.
Once again, drawing parallels to tribal mechanics - If you induce too many new people into a tribe, you destroy the tribe. This has happened all over the world before. I for one believe these tribal mechanics are in effect in the Psy scene, at least whereever you will find a really good vibe, there is a connection between the people that goes beyond the party itself - being initiated into the tribe, or part of it already. Feeling like you belong, and you belong on account of being initiated, that brings meaning to your presence, and puts requirements on you in regards to how you behave / interact with other people, nature and the rest that goes into what makes out the scene.
Or in plain english (so it doesnt sound like a cult) - People need to know what the parties are all about, what values are important - Perhaps a bit about where it all comes from etc....
Or else, they might end up just figuring "these are just pill parties, we do pills and party --- and when we are super cool, we do LSD".
Of couse, I could be wrong This is just what I think.
Best Wishes
Krell
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kameleonpangea36
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Posted : Sep 15, 2005 00:13
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with psy the majority of cds released are comps or full lengths, the majority of people that go to parties dont seem to be into that though i think they find that boring, i think normal party heads would buy more good quality mix cds, the psy scene seems to only rely on the djs and hardcore collectors to buy the music but in many other scenes there are hundreds of mixes for sale that the public buys on a regular. i got into dance music through many of these mixes, like the ol sasha and digweed expeditions and such. just my two cents
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talamasca
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Posted : Sep 15, 2005 04:26
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pffffff.....this is again the fight between people who believe they have the "spirit of trance" and those who just want to listen music...
You have to show me this book where it is written that trance artists are not allowed to promote themselves or their friends, it seems like you rode it and i didn't... |
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Krell
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Posted : Sep 15, 2005 08:07
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@Talamasca
Who says artists should not promote themselves ?
I dont see anyone saying that here at all.
More to the contrary - Its the natural thing for the artists to want to show his/her work to as many people as possible. Several people have stated that as a fact.
We can then of course always debate how this is done best.
You start this thread by wanting to make "psytrance bigger", and people like me tell you what dangers lie in just that trail of thought - while others encourage you to do so.
None of us are saying you shouldnt promote yourself though!
Promoting yourself by trying to make psytrance more mainstream is what I am against. Then again it is your own choice to disregard my point of view. Which is ok, I respect that.
Its not a fight, its a disagreement - But in the end, it is really up to you, and not any of the rest of us to decide how you promote yourself, also, in the end its your career and not ours.
If its just music for you, and others - then fine - Go try making psytrance big with huge indoor raves, glowsticks everywhere, tons of superficial kids on ecstacy - Whatever.... We have seen it all happen before ;-)
Because thats where going mainstream will lead you, and theres no real respect what so ever to be earned there other than what you will get from business men trying to earn a quick buck.
Anybody who has experienced different kinds of events know, that there are hugely commercial events, and there are events true to "the spirit of trance" - And they know how to tell the difference.
And yes, I agree with MercuryFall, the music is about the events...
People who just want to listen to the music, can do so just fine without it having to be on the radio, MTV or similar - They can tune into webradios, or they can buy some CDs.
People will have to make up their own minds whether they believe in staying true to the source experience, or if they want to try new directions - and whether those new directions are headed into the mainstream, or not.
Those of us who dislike it can always to stay away from the parties, and not listen to the music we dont like.
I think all agree, or am I missing something ?
Quote Talamasca
"You have to show me this book where it is written that trance artists are not allowed to promote themselves or their friends, it seems like you rode it and i didn't..."
Nobody said they could not. Dont put words into peoples mouthes like that.
Best Wishes
Krell
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MercuryFall
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Posted : Sep 15, 2005 12:27
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On 2005-09-15 04:26, talamasca wrote:
pffffff.....this is again the fight between people who believe they have the "spirit of trance" and those who just want to listen music...
You have to show me this book where it is written that trance artists are not allowed to promote themselves or their friends, it seems like you rode it and i didn't...
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Quite in the contrary, i believe it's a legitimate thing to go and promote your music anyway that you can! You spend your life creating 'killar' tracks, and you wouldn't do it if people were not informed it's out and relate to your music.... And that's what i understand with this thread: if voting for you and fellow psy artists will help you reaching out to more people who can relate to your music and love it, WHY THE HELL NOT!!!!
The party thing is something different... it's really about the 'spirit of trance', and it's a different thread. Once again, artists really SHOULD promote themselves, so the audiance KNOW about their releases! It's the most natural thing, so don't get us wrong with that!! Krell and I stand for quality parties with the 'right' spirit, that's what we try to do as promoters. I can do that with the local scene, as well as with international artists like you, depending of course on their demends and 'special needs'... I don't like it too much when artists ask for huge fees, fancy hotels and stuff, act arrogantly, and don't bring any special 'vibe' to the party... that's what i call not to be in the right trance spirit... i won't give out any name here, but i'm sure other promoters here know what i'm talking about...
So let's be clear about the difference: promoting oneself as an artist, GOOD! Making commercial vibeless parties, BAD!
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uvego
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Posted : Sep 16, 2005 14:44
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On 2005-09-15 04:26, talamasca wrote:
pffffff.....this is again the fight between people who believe they have the "spirit of trance" and those who just want to listen music... |
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i want just to stey at home and listen diferen kind of music,i dont like to go on festivals or parties,and YEAHHHH best dj for me is Tiesto, and after him you are the best.
simply KILARGHHH and the best from the beast of the best from the best
pffffffffff
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