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Yet another 432hz thread

Nectarios
Martian Arts

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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 11:39:30
So here's some hippie bollocks.

Found out that I can retune all my software synths (and sampler instruments) in Logic by going to "Settings > Tuning" and the off set middle A by -31.6 gets me bang on to 432hz.

The important bit is that Ultrabeat (where I make all my kicks) follows the new tuning.

Never thought I'd say that, but the 432hz just sounds more "right"

I am straight, haven't smoked anything today yet.

What do you guys think?


          
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aje
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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 12:04
Its hard to tell just like that, it sounds like a vintage tightly produced Nectarios track

I guess the only way to really tell was if you put the exact same snippet with 440 HZ right next to it.           Check out my album: http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/gay-satanic-hippie-tiefenrausch
Taisto
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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 12:09
Can you make sample where is both tunings in one loop 50/50, its easier to judge..

But i'm also tuning premaster channel little bit nowdays, but its not this 432Hz..

Not going to tell what i do for artistic reasons But it makes the difference of course..
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Mandari

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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 12:13
just my speech, toldya┤ll ^^ sadly still cant find my projects. to me it sounds more .....yeah one could say right. it also increased the feeling of used scale imho....

i dont say it has to be 432hz tuning, but theres a reason 440hz rule is way off beeing musical at all... one should finetune for sure.

cheers, glad you found that on yourself and did not give up that hippishit ^^
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woodster77
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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 12:29
chords would show it better i think, kinda hard to get the feel of the shift from monophonic,

Cminor at 440 ,Cminor at 432, or whatever


im sure there certain keys that feel more natural in either tunning but sound flat or feel wrong the other way round

im gonna try this with some pads and on my guitar at the same time.

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Mandari

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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 12:52
it┤s easy to check. just get whatever sound suits you, like an short arp or similiar pattern and try both.

to me decreasing to 432hz i.e. increased the mystical feeling of phrygian scale DRASTICALLY and i was kinda wow ok.... thats what one should expect but never heared or felt if not tuned accordingly.

imo besides that hippishit theres a simple reason for that. theres a relation between that cycle and nature while theres no relation to anything with an a of 440hz. it┤s just a frequency picked up to meet each tuning of an instrument of any orchestra at.

but i dont want to start that relation discussion again. to me it just became logic why there is this appealing difference.           FUCK GENRES, LOVE MUSIC!!!!
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 13:00
imo it sounds really even better. I also dislike all the esoteric hippy blabla nevertheless I deeply believe that this tuning is 'better' or more natural somhow better for atleast my ears.
THere are thousands of songs in this tuning. This is nothing new. Even imagine by John Lennon is written in this tuning and lots of more of very old songs. There definetly is a big diffrence between them tunings.           https://soundcloud.com/shivagarden/cosmotropics
Nectarios
Martian Arts

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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 13:17
Quote:

On 2013-10-25 12:04, aje wrote:
Its hard to tell just like that, it sounds like a vintage tightly produced Nectarios track

I guess the only way to really tell was if you put the exact same snippet with 440 HZ right next to it.



That is what I did, the first half of the clip is 432 and the second half is 440. Same exact parts (kept it empty to get a feel of the kick and bass, re-tuned to 432)           
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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 13:21
havent heard it till end the first time hearing this, but hearing it now till end it's a really big difference still the first better imo. With more sounds at the same time the diffrence would be even bigger.           https://soundcloud.com/shivagarden/cosmotropics
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Mandari

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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 13:28
mozart tuned his stuff down just cause it sounded better and more natural to him. he was pretty near that range, mostly any professional musician tunes his instrument different to the 440hz rule. there are tons of and we all know them... (well, sure not all of them ^^)
there were times i was thinking if it might be possible this making some part of their success.... today i know it def. does.

besides a great song which is nicely written and sounds just great, the right tuning increases the emotional impact on the audience for sure. the more something sounds natural, the more it catches our ear. resonance, goosebumps.

i mean quite few of us know how plugins work and how they calculate in algorithms. now if you ask the engineer, the advanced algorithms beeing used nowadays are those selfmodulating ones (not that pro here, just red some about), cause that it was nature does. and there comes this hippishit ...order by chaos blahblah. theres a lot of truth in it, just sounds like hippishit, thus not appealing ^^

the most appealing reverberation to our ears is the at most next to nature one, this is why developers try to recreate natural reverberation. and the successful ones have been able to come pretty nearby.

anyways, sorry for gettin offtopic. despite that hippishit, theres a lot ppl for a reason working that way and caring more for what they hear instead of a simple rule taken from thin air.


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PoM
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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 13:30
wonder how it would sound if you transpose everything one note lower and stick to 440 hz..might sound even better or worst?

432 sound better on your sample but i think it dont mean much.. a bit lower could sound even better maybe

this setting re tune everyhting even third party plugs?
Nectarios
Martian Arts

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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 13:35
Yup. I might be fooling my self though. Is the only thing I need to do is to retune middle A to 432hz? Do I like the sample more cause there is slightly lower bass? Or do I need to look for a certain tuning table and off set each note by certain amounts?           
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Martian Arts

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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 13:37
Haven't tried 3rd party plugs. I don't use them anyway. Gonna try to see if it works on my hard synths when I go home later on. For sure I have to do the x0xb0x by ear as there is no such option on its analog sequencer.           
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 13:39
will give it a try too , intresting
Nectarios
Martian Arts

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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 13:47
The bassline on the clip is VCO samples from my old Roland SH-101. Logic even re-tuned the samples automatically, along with the kick drum which is synthesized in real time by Ultrabeat.           
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