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Yet another 432hz thread
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 13:55
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now i like more 440 lol
i m sure you put 440 first then after 432 everyone like more 440..cause logicaly it feel "faster"
edit : nah i listened once again and 432 feel more right 
it just the kick bass that gel better i think , maybe cause it change the lenght of kick and bassline notes making them longer ?
would be intresting to check on oscilloscope how the kick bass interact.. |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 13:59
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432 is first. On more inspection there is no special 432 table. All one needs to do is off set middle A to 432.
I prefer 432 here for sure. At least in this sample.
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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 14:08
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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 14:13
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looking forward to more experiments here. im sure whatever youŽll try, you wil feel more comfortable when tuned.
anyways, i did not like a track of mine mixed between others. be aware youŽll be way out of tune if it is mixed next to a standard 440hz track. ^^
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Nectarios
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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 14:17
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Yeah I know, DJs gonna hate that, but when matching tunes with different BPM in a DJ set it all goes haywire tuning wise anyway. I am up for having a 432 live set in a year from today though.
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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 14:20
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sounds great, looking forward to that! had my live tuned too about three of four years ago after i found it drastically supporting the sound of my music.
dunno why, actually switched all back to 440hz ^^ one shouldnt care about djs FUCK GENRES, LOVE MUSIC!!!!
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jekvan
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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 14:44
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Well,it depends what you mean by saying "I tuned my track to 432"'.
There are people who do entire track in 440 then just lower the pitch of the entire track.
There are people who set the middle A to 432 in every synth they have.
First option is what the DJ's do to beatmatch.
If you have harmonical or melodical context in your track,this can fuck it up,as many of you probably know when trying to connect two songs in set,resulting one of them sounding very weird and unnatural(if its melodical track).
The reason is,two near half step notes has sqr(2,12) difference between them.If you try to add cents (that is detune) to entire track,then the value of each note is also detuned,and now the difference between each near note is no more sqr(2,12).Thus,what sounded good in 440 is not harmonical anymore.Detuning entire track from 440 to 432 is not that big of difference I bellieve,so it will sound ok,but maybe a little bit different.
Second one-setting middle A as 432 is all different matter.Then,each synth still retains the ratio of sqr(2,12) between each next note,and the harmonical context is still there.I think that the reason that it sounds better when you making the track is next:
While you work on the same loops over and over,your brain starts to trick you,so that when you do small change it suddenly sounds a lot more better.I know for personal experience that I redone many loops that were probably ok just because I listened to much to them,did some small difference and ended up redoing the whole thing.
Also,people as whole have preference to two distinct spectrum ranges,one of them is "warm" which is near the bass.
Ear transfer function (sorta speak) has resonatory effect for those lower frequencies,which have something to do with evolution and all that shenanigans.And also for high frequencies as well,while higher stimulates "energy" feel,the lower notes stimulate relaxation.
For example,many band players,while playing songs many times tune their instruments sharper-this gives the known tune more sharp,more energetic ,more bouncy feeling.
Tune your stuff a bit lower-and the tune you allready hear and know (because you hear it /composed it in 440 for long enough) will suddenly become more serious,more warmer.
My personal thoughts offcourse.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 15:40
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 15:43
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I think it sounds better here!  (and don't think it will matter for djs, since anything is heavily repitched anyways, so it would take an audiophile with super ears to be able to say "hmmm... this sounds slightly out of tune...")
will try to adjust the tunning in the settings as you say and will let you know what I think. have you tried to compare this to a simple "varispeed", pitching it down to 432Hz?
by simply pitching a track (like what happens on most dj sets anyways), the notes we played will go up or down, but the whole thing will, and that means that the harmonic balance between the elements will remain the same and, therefore, to my mind, the harmonic intervals between the elements will to.
tunning is something different, specially when we do it on the instruments themselves, mainly because "note lengths remain the same", so there's no actual time-stretching but just the scale has slightly been pitched down, not the frequency content of an entire piece, right?
never even crossed my mind that Logic would do this just by editting one option...
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Nectarios
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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 15:53
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For all you Virus users, in System Edit, setting the Master Tune to -41 has 0 beat frequencies with a software generated sine wave at the 432hz tuning. So that's the Virus done. Now to set the Nord Lead up.
By the way Logic does not transmit the off set in hardware synths. It only does so internally.
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 15:59
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On 2013-10-25 15:53, Nectarios wrote:
For all you Virus users, in System Edit, setting the Master Tune to -41 has 0 beat frequencies with a software generated sine wave at the 432hz tuning. So that's the Virus done. Now to set the Nord Lead up.
By the way Logic does not transmit the off set in hardware synths. It only does so internally.
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Nice! Was going to check that out myself! |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 16:09
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Right for the Nord Lead. Hold down SHIFT and press TUNE. On the little 7 segment display the value that gave the lower beat freqquency was 32. that is 32(dot) as the dot on the bottom right, indicates a negative value.
The rest of my synths are analog, so no values to type here.
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 16:09
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425 or what ever could sound even better.. 432 make no sense to me but maybe there is something i m missing.. it just like pitching everyhting up or down to me , so naturaly there is some spot that sound better than others depending a tune.. same as tempo, a track made at 142 can sound better at 144 or 138 but there is no voodoo magic behind it |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 16:19
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I am not saying there is some magic, just researching for my self and using my ears to decide for my self.
There are tons of arguments (there was a huge one with moki, I was actually gunning her down) and no scientific proof regarding anything, besides the shapes of water with 432 tuning....even that I don't know if its really true.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Oct 25, 2013 16:50
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it isn't, ii is a load of hippie bullshit, just type in tuning in wiki and read up on the different tuning options used and why 440 came about and what orchestras use these days.
"more serious, more warmer" lol <3
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