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karnaf
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Posted : Jul 13, 2003 20:10
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Can someone please explain this to me?
I was talking with quite a few DJs lately, some are in the industry for years now, some are newer.
Aparently, in so many cases, they don't get paid nothing for playing in a party. They thank the organizers if they give them petrol money or a bus ticket or a flight (a luxury!!!).
How did we get to the point where the ppl we like and make us dance are working for free??? Shouldn't they get something other then our appreciation?
I know, rules of economics - so many DJs (DJ is not a first name!!!) and so little parties, but still it is annoying.
I want to hear ppls' opinion about this - DJs, Labels, Party organizers and party fans, since we are all members of this forum. Enlight me, please.
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Zombi
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Posted : Jul 13, 2003 20:19
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i only have to say - i dont realy care about money and prefer long time to perform and not a big money, thats more importent to me. i go on a art factor, not a job fucktory 
if i get option to get 150$ for 2 hours set or 50$ for 4 hours set i will go blind on the second option.
for money i just did a economic BA.
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Plan_B
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Posted : Jul 13, 2003 21:42
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i think coctail is right. if anyone gave me the chance to play My music LIVE in front of zounds of ppl, i would'nt ask any money.
i don't know what about DJ's, but as an artist (wannabe ), i could'nt car any less about money at this point.
Hope to get my big break soon. 
wish me luck...
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karnaf
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Posted : Jul 13, 2003 23:50
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OK, so let me ask a more general question - what is your aim? What are you looking for when becoming a DJ / Artist?
This is personal for each one, I know, but I am just curious as to what drives you ppl - fame and glory? Money? girls  ? people dancing to your wheems?
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filter
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Posted : Jul 14, 2003 00:52
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Argentina is pretty fucked up economically, as a dj an organizer i dont get paid, i sometimes get some money to cover my transportation costs, but not always.
Ive been organizing for a year and Ive got to make a lot of efforts to avoid loosing money, but money was never the issue in what im doing.
I travelled throughout Europe and I attended Orejona Festival in 2002, I got hooked forever, i was amazed by the energy and way of living the psychedelic people had, i loved the expressions in their faces, so calm and happy. I loved the idea of unyfing the primive with the modern, i felt part of this cyber-psychedelic-tribe dancing with people all around the world and letting my ego dissapear  .
Im dedicating my life to psytrance because i truly believe that it is not only about music, its a culture, a way of thinking, living. If I organize a party i really think im helping to mantain that energy, if im djing i really feel that i become part of that energy and im just a tool for that feeling to be expressed. Im currently also composing some music and i cant image how great it must be to see people dancing with something that you created, that must be one of the most rewarding feelings on earth.
As an organizer you must deal with money issues, but i developed a philosophy: i treat money as a tool for filling needs, if i need nice decoration i pay for it, if i need good sound i pay for it, im not afraid to spend it as long as i know it will help the party. I lost on several occasions money, knowing that i wouldnt get it back, and i didnt feel bad for it. I truly believe in psychedelic trance, im in love with it, and i dont care to loose money for an idea that goes far beyond me.
on the other side it would be nice to be able to live off this idea, i dont want to work on a fucking office working on a job ive got to convince myself i like, but in Argentina is quite tough, but as always i dont fucking care, as long as i hear the pounding beat of psytrance .
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Yaniv
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Posted : Jul 14, 2003 02:12
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On 2003-07-14 00:52, filter wrote:
Im dedicating my life to psytrance because i truly believe that it is not only about music, its a culture, a way of thinking, living. |
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I agree with you!!!!
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 14, 2003 03:00
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Karnaf are you out of your mind mate???
Artists and DJ's dont get money???
Not only they get money but they also bargain with different organisations in every country and who offers the most manages to book them.
I am talking from artists that are 10 years in the scene to artists that have just released one or two tracks in various compilations.
Most Dj's ask for 700-1000 for a dj set in ourdays,and you cannot get easily a live act for less than a 1000 euros,not to mention the big names of the scene that ask 2500-3000.
Most of the artists that i book for my events play at least once in a week somewhere and believe me they get really good money,they live from music and just that,and they live good indeed.
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Dovla
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Posted : Jul 14, 2003 03:57
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I think that a DJ should get paid only if he can mix properly and have original cds and not copies which isn't the case with most DJs I heard....as for live acts they should definelty get paid....if they really do a live act of course...personally If I was an organiser and booked some live act and the guy came up and play only from cds I wouldn't pay him...especially if he asked for some nord lead or something...
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adesh
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Posted : Jul 14, 2003 04:06
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ok...this is my opinion...today we have alot of collectors that they dont play theirs music...they come to party and put the other stuff they just want the glory...but i think if they craet some music and they work on verry hard to creat her they learn to comment personally!!! before we know about the internet ppl need to drive hours to bring 1 cd!!! but today... its verry easy u just need icq and go...u r a dj!!! (little funny i think)
if i organizer i prefer to invite 3 collectors and pay them like i pay to 1 artist!!! and this collectors put music like i invite 30 artist...
i belive in what u say zombi and i also hate commercialisim and to do things only for money...but if u think about what i say u discover that this thing make from the trance scene a commercial matter!
this is my opinion ok...i dont mean that we dont need collectors but...all of us need to comment what they do...when we learn to comment r self the organizers learn also that they need to invest more...and maybe only ppl that realy love this scene organize party's!
graet therd karnaf.... yesterday me and some friend of my talk about that...
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Candy
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Posted : Jul 14, 2003 08:35
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I think that in an era where everybody wants to become a dj or a label manager or a party organizer you get a situation where each party organization has to compete with others and in order to bring as more people to the party they make a very long line-up. And of course they are unable to pay everybody the way they should, so they pay less to the djs. And as you have such a large number of djs, they cannot say anything and accept the situation. Either you take it or get nothing.
This is what I see happening in Israel at least.
Majority is never right!
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Yuli
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Posted : Jul 14, 2003 09:14
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Zombi, knowing your persona I agree with you ( at last ) about what u said... but for me, it is valid only for u Since most of the ppl are NOT like u, but still will work basically for free to get themselves closer to the plate, I disagree that money shouldnt be a factor and DJ's / Artists should be paid fuel money only. Professional DJ / Artist has a lot of expences and puts all his time into this ( instead of working and earning money like others ) so it is only normal to have the dignity to ask for certain fee for your work and stand behind the demand.
Detox, I believe that 1500 - 2500 ppl attending a party and paying some 25 - 35 euros each for the pleasure, make the 1000 euro for a DJ set basically a low and very nice fee. Remembering that ppl basically come to the party for the music, as a party organizer ( from time to time ) myself, I believe that DJ's / Artists should be paid WELL since without them there is no party.
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Zombi
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Posted : Jul 14, 2003 10:39
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Yuli, also knowing u in a Persona, its importent to me make clear, i told about myself only and i never will say no to money also. for became dj i spent couple of $ thousands and months in the bedroom infront my cat also those massive shipments of original mediums..
professional dj and artist should be payed and good if u ask me. thats just me still in that situation i dont realy can expect to something, but life go on and we all grow up
step by step.. soon... hehe..
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logic mind
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Posted : Jul 14, 2003 10:53
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i really don't think that the top d.j's are working for free or for their plain ticket.
in our days, all over the world specailly in israel, there are so many d.j's and so many music makers and all they want is a stage, no money no nothing, they just want to play there music and to make the people dance, for me that's what the d.j story is all about, i don't like to hear d.j's that aren't an artists, it meens nothing to me playing music of others when your not creating nothing.
artist who creats music and play it in a party, and play also others music, thats cool.
well, the money is also apart of all that as you all know, and i think the d.j's need the money for living first, but also for buying more equipment and to make better music so the party will be better.
like a dream,
with no end and no begining,
living the now hoping for better tomorow... |
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IntelabeaM
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Posted : Jul 14, 2003 12:39
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well ppl , i think yuli said it the best , after spending a large amount of money on the nesesery ecuipment( somthing that never stop's) , and after pouting ton's of hour's of wark on making the music, how can one expect the artist to give his wark for free, more then this , whay do ppl think that an artist should give his wark for free...when u go to see a big rock concert u never ask for the singer to sing for u only for the love of the music, come on, we all love the music, god know's if we pout so much efort in it we love it , but in order to make it right and profesional, u have to pout all u'r time in it ..now u tell me ...is the time of a trance artist is nothing? doesnt he need to eat , drink , have a plais to live? i know it sound's a littel stupied but it is true...most of the trance artist's ( couse there r so many this day's ) r useing the money from the gig's for that perpose..and then thay have time to make the music that u dance to ...
as for the "stage time" as karnaf said , many dj's want just the opretonety to stend infront of the croud, that's good, that's the begining!! but if u diside to make it u'r profesion and u pout every thing in it, then stage time is not only what u look for , true it's my bigest plesure to see ppl jump on the tune's that i made but if u want this seen to contunue liveing , and if u want to continue geting better and new tune's all the time, dont say u want it all for free, it's just not fer!! and that same story goes for the treck's that r on the unrl category , that ppl just dont want to pay for the music( all this trading story ) ..i just cant understend it ...how do ppl expect artist's to make music? with money from there soul? it's to naive, and it's not right..and i do belive that this thing need's to get in to ppl's hed and fast couse it's wrong!! |
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 14, 2003 12:54
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Well said Yuli but getting more than a 1000 people to a party is actually a very very difficult thing for an organiser
Thats why the 'bigger' the artists name,the bigger his fee and the bigger numbers in a party
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