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Why you use MP3?
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Nobita
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 02:11
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It doesnt matter folks, really... Why? Because if you're stoned enough, you can listen to a midi and not make the difference with a wav, and that's precisely how stoned you gotta be at a party ! 
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Mahamudra (Sagiv)
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 06:11
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blueOrb
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 06:52
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On 2005-12-06 06:11, Mahamudra wrote:
would any of you guys will pay for a mp3 CD (album / compilation) same money as you pay for a "normal" CD?
am realy wondering ...
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the aesthetic issue of using mp3 vs buying cds is not the topic of dicussion ....the sound factor is ....
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Mahamudra (Sagiv)
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 07:23
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On 2005-12-06 06:52, blueOrb wrote:
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On 2005-12-06 06:11, Mahamudra wrote:
would any of you guys will pay for a mp3 CD (album / compilation) same money as you pay for a "normal" CD?
am realy wondering ...
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the aesthetic issue of using mp3 vs buying cds is not the topic of dicussion ....the sound factor is ....
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so what is the problem?
im asking if any one would pay for a mp3 CD instead of normal CD, hypothetical.
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EYB
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 07:55
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Yes, if the cd is full of mp3s i would pay the price of an audio cd!
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blueOrb
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 07:55
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@ Mahamudra
there is no problem mate, sorry if u felt offended or anything .....iam just trying to say its obvious that nothing comes close to the feeling of unwrapping a piece of plastic and popping it into the cd player while staring at the artwork  ....ur questions just deviates us from the topic which is not about aesthetic and moral issues with the usage of mp3's .....its about the sound quality we get to hear .....
addressing ur question ....why would anyone want to buy the mp3 version for the same price of the original? ......people buy mp3s because they are cheaper, and the flexibility to pay for what u want to hear exists ....
and as EYB says .....if the cd is full of 320kbps mp3s then even i would consider my options
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EYB
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 07:57
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BTW my mp3 player can play mp3 and wma.
wma is crap, no question. only mp3 left.
And u ask why we use mp3?
Because it is the actuall standart.
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Mahamudra (Sagiv)
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 08:03
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On 2005-12-06 07:55, blueOrb wrote:
@ Mahamudra
there is no problem mate, sorry if u felt offended or anything .....iam just trying to say its obvious that nothing comes close to the feeling of unwrapping a piece of plastic and popping it into the cd player while staring at the artwork ....ur questions just deviates us from the topic which is not about aesthetic and moral issues with the usage of mp3's .....its about the sound quality we get to hear .....
addressing ur question ....why would anyone want to buy the mp3 version for the same price of the original? ......people buy mp3s because they are cheaper, and the flexibility to pay for what u want to hear exists ....
and as EYB says .....if the cd is full of 320kbps mp3s then even i would consider my options
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hehe i was not offended it was my mistake i didnt made my point clear.
i ment to ask if the record company's will release their CD's in a mp3 format will you guys consider buying it... ofcourse its only hypothetical.
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 15:55
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I prefer the original CDs. Maybe I am hallucinating... and I do not do drugs that often, but original CDs just have that full sound, crisp and clear. And also you can play it the loudest and the track does not clip or loose its sound integrity. With MP3 it sounds a bit hollower and you can't play the tracks as loud without clipping. There is always the issue of portability  But until the compression technology gets better I like my original CDs |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 16:00
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Indeed I doubt we get more participants, so here is the answers:
invisible world:
a=wav
b=192
c=320
mystery sun
a=320
b=wav
c=192
wishbone
a=192
b=320
c=wav
The biggest difference according to tests usually is between 190k and 320k, where it's normally a lot more people that can spot the difference compared to a 320k and a wav.
From the participants here and in sonic-energy forum that did the test properly I would say Colin was the closest by spotting two of the wav files.
But if that was luck or good hearing I'm not sure since he thougt the 192k mystery sun was wav and mixed up the various bitrates.
But nevertheless he was the closest to telling them apart I would say.
Bholenath has to be crowned looser for hacking the test and publishing the results
Like I said, the changes to the audio can be spotted in a wav editor, but the point is surely if you can hear them, not if you can see them.
About the issue with the not super hi-fi production on the tracks, it could for sure be interesting to do the same test with some more overproduced material.
But in my experience, taking files with a very pure sound creates less problems when compressing.
With very much frequency separation between the sounds to avoid phasing and tightly controlled dynamics it basically easier for the encoder to do it's job without affecting the audio.
You can try by taking a track you think is very clean and separated and something with a bit more wild production and compress it to 128 or 64k and you will notice that the difference will be a lot smaller with the cleaner track.
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Same price would be a bit exuberant considering there should need to go no money to the distributor, shipping and printing.
I would prefer to buy as FLAC since that means I can recompress the audio without loss, but since there is hardly no shops that sell lossless I don't buy.
CD's I just grab and put on my HD as FLAC, so for me paying for the extra costs involved seems a bit stupid.
But what I have done when I really liked something is to send a paypal payment to the artist and ask if it's possible to get it as FLAC which I think it's a nice way of doing it when there is no means for me to get the music otherwise in the format I prefer.
And most releases nowadays sound too overproduced and stylized for my taste so I mostly feed my appetite for psychedelic trance with unreleased demos.
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bholenath
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 16:38
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no fair.. u didnt see my post... i cracked teh fucking system mannnnnn
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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 17:00
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On 2005-12-06 16:38, bholenath wrote:
no fair.. u didnt see my post... i cracked teh fucking system mannnnnn
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You didn't read my post properly, you did get a mention:
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DETOX
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 17:06
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Although the results are posted here are the results of my acoustical research in my home pc with a decent pair of speakers and an audigy 2 soundcard.
invisible world
a=wav
b=192
c=320
mystery sun
a=wav
b=320
c=192
wishbone
a=192
b=wav
c=320
In invisible world i faced a difficulty to realise what mp3 was highest quality between b and c.
The on the other tunes i faced big difficulty on my home system at least to hear the difference between 320mp3 and wav.
Overall with this samples and with my home system i was able at least to hear the difference between wav and 192 mp3.
Ofcourse i could have just been lucky but thats another story.
Still i consider this test as not a valid and reliable one but it was fun trying.
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