Why are there so few girl artists in psytrance? If Any...

On 2005-03-07 03:15, InnerAlchemy wrote:
Come on guys...there is so much bullshit said in this thread. I am female and I work with Cubase, synthesizers and samplers for years. I 'm not a pro, it's just a sparetime-fun-thing for me but anyway I think I have a better understanding in audiosoftware and sound synthesis than many of the males out there. I think the reason why there are very few girls producing music with the computer is very simple: they just don't get the idea! They never thought of doing it because they think it's difficult and they would never understand it. The normal aversion of girls to technical things (I have that too). But in fact it's very easy, much more easy than probably 99% of the girls think. I'm not talking of making music, composing and mixing is hard work and you need lot's of talent and experience for it, but the handling of the software is damn easy....even a girl could do that ;-) I would like to encourage every woman who is interested in music just to try it. Get a demo version of Cubase, Logic, Fruity Loops, Reason, Ableton or whatever and find somebody to show you the first steps. I'm shure there are quite a lot of guys out there who would love to do that ;-)....

On 2005-04-22 16:12, The Green Channel wrote:

Quote:

On 2005-03-07 03:15, InnerAlchemy wrote: Come on guys...there is so much bullshit said in this thread. I am female and I work with Cubase, synthesizers and samplers for years. I 'm not a pro, it's just a sparetime-fun-thing for me but anyway I think I have a better understanding in audiosoftware and sound synthesis than many of the males out there. I think the reason why there are very few girls producing music with the computer is very simple: they just don't get the idea! They never thought of doing it because they think it's difficult and they would never understand it. The normal aversion of girls to technical things (I have that too). But in fact it's very easy, much more easy than probably 99% of the girls think. I'm not talking of making music, composing and mixing is hard work and you need lot's of talent and experience for it, but the handling of the software is damn easy....even a girl could do that ;-) I would like to encourage every woman who is interested in music just to try it. Get a demo version of Cubase, Logic, Fruity Loops, Reason, Ableton or whatever and find somebody to show you the first steps. I'm shure there are quite a lot of guys out there who would love to do that ;-)....

You are right... "Just do it"... If a woman wants to invest time in producing music, she will succeed, the thing is though: a lot of women find it boring...

On 2005-04-23 11:13, Neville Bone wrote:
My wife has been listening to the music I play for the last 6 years and she loves it when I love it,if she's dancing to a track and I'll tell her:"I don't like it"she'll stop dancing to it

Now she cannot even give me her opinion cause she liked the other one so much and I told her that it was sounding cheap to me and now about the new track she's like stearing at me thinking but is it good or not?
Unfortunately many women don't have an ear for music!
Less than man....

your conclusion that "many women don't have an ear for music" is just bullshit...

On 2005-04-24 03:23, Acidhive wrote:
Another topic for the people that like to go on and on about simple facts of life that people are different regardless of gender. Read my previous post and know the truth

On 2005-04-23 20:38, floatyhippyflower wrote:

Quote:

your conclusion that "many women don't have an ear for music" is just bullshit...

I completely agree with Inner Alchemy...poor Ms. Bone! One of the best sound engineers I ever met was a 19 year old girl I used to study with on a music production course I took up a number of years ago so I could learn a little of the craft and do something with the myriad of musical ideas I had floating round my head. I definitely have an ear for music (without wanting to blow any trumpets). My sense of pitch was always really good even as a child. That's why my parents put me in music lessons when I was four years old. They often found me bashing out recognisable tunes on the piano and it all began there for me....

With respect to why there are so few girls in the psy scene making music, well I can't say I have any answers. But it's such an interesting topic I can perhaps venture forth with a few humble observations.

On that very music course, there were a mere 6 girls to 100 boys. There was a sister course running at the same time, the popular music course, which was far less technical than the production course and it had a higher percentage of girls than boys, perhaps because it was more performance based...I'm not really sure.

What I will say is that I would agree to some extent with Inner Alchemy when she talks about the whole 'girl technophobia' thing. Sure, there are exceptions. I've met them. But I for one came out of several years of study with a pure fear of the mixing desk. To this day they remain a traumatic mystery! In saying that, I really got to grips with some of the computer techniques - sequencers, plugins etc - which is generally how I record my own ideas. I also absolutely loved my acoustics module, which taught me so much about the nature of sound. So perhaps it really does come down to a generic difference between men and women, as trance/psy is very technically based in my experience. I can work a synth but plonk me in front of a (non-virtual) compressor or sampler and my brain starts to fry. I'm also still rather crap at PC systems, so although I can work my way around a sequencer, if something goes wrong with my PC I have to call on my PC Bitch (that's DJ Psyshaker to everyone else) to come and get it sorted. Don't know if this experience reflects women as a whole, I just know that's how it works - or doesn't - for me.

Another observation bourne of motherhood....
I have 6 year old boy/girl twins and their response to the music I play around the house is markedly different. Again, I wouldn't like to venture as to whether these reactions reflect the wider population but when my daughter hears a track she likes, it makes her dance without really being conscious of it. She closes her eyes (as I do) and seems to let the music move her, or she'll sing along...it's almost like she 'feels' the music, whereas my son tends to 'see' the music. He'll say things like 'I really like those drums' or 'that's really floaty music'...something along those lines. It's a far more analytical reaction initially, though he has been known to shake his butt to a good Shpongle tune so there's obviously room for manoeuvre.

Perhaps it's a case of people - irrespective of gender - accepting whatever natural talents they have and maximising them. We're all different. I get by with my recording because my musical skills make up for some of the technophobia. It is a little off-putting that so many of the 'top' producers are male but perhaps I should have more confidence and not let this get to me. It's a two way street.

On 2005-04-25 11:19, Acidhive wrote:
What I don't get is this: Why does everyone make such a point about the fact that there are almost no girls in psytrance?? I mean, what's important is the music, not who's playing it IMO.

--------------------------------------
Maybe she does not want to hurt you by telling you that she does not like the new version.

-----------------------------------------
Neville Bone wrote:

That wouldn't be right cause one has to be always honest about opnions although I can understand that.
----------------------------------------

On 2005-04-25 11:09, Neville Bone wrote:

I repeat this,
many women have no ear for music.Even some man but it's more women than man cause if not:
"Why aren't there any psy female artists if any?"

On 2005-04-25 11:09, Neville Bone wrote:
Ok so,
the name of the topic here is:
"Why aren't there any psy female artists if any?"
& Why are there so more man than woman in music?"
So why is that Inner Alchemy?
I made a mistake by giving a direct example with my wife here but I know many females like her.
Inner Alchemy the fact that you are different and you are interested in music does not change the fact that there are much more males than females in the music secne in general.
I know 100s of girls who were influenced by man to start listening to trance but I don't know any cases where a man was influenced by a girl.
And again,
I repeat this,
many women have no ear for music.Even some man but it's more women than man cause if not:
"Why aren't there any psy female artists if any?"
BTW:
You're German,do you know of a female German dj named STELLA NUTELLA?
Apparently she played at Solipse Zambia and she was brilliant!