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Why are there so few girl artists in psytrance? If Any...
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Nov 2, 2004 01:47
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I personally know tons of women who are involved in the scene one way or another. Whether it is decorating, producing, organizing, mixing... Why there are so few artists... we would have to see the scene as a whole to decipher this one... but one thing I am sure, it is not for the lack of talent. |
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Jeto
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Posted : Nov 3, 2004 08:17
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there are quite a few girls in the trance scene
to name a few
Dali
SunGirl
Miranda
Stella Nutella
Mussy Mood
Amanda
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Bands with girls in it
Sirriusness
Analog Pussy
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Dark_Dork
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Posted : Nov 3, 2004 13:14
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On 2004-11-03 08:17, Jeto wrote:
Bands with girls in it
Sirriusness
Analog Pussy
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Posted : Nov 3, 2004 15:23
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mh I think it's a really good question. I asked a woman this this summer and her opinion was that men can put a lot more dedication into it. I mean there are a lot of musicians out there for whom music is the most important thing in life. We girls get a bit more distracted.
Also it is a really male industry and I think that puts off a lot of girls wanting to get into it. Of course the ones who are serious they will still do it.
Maybe there could be more collaboration to get a few more girls involved. Would be nice to have a few more sisters. |
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ganjagil
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Posted : Nov 3, 2004 15:49
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mmm it would be really nice to get more girls involved for sure but then again are there girls ready to sacrifice their life for making music?? If yes i want to know them we would be a nice couple eheheheh
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ganjagil
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Posted : Nov 3, 2004 15:49
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mmm it would be really nice to get more girls involved for sure but then again are there girls ready to sacrifice their life for making music?? If yes i want to know them we would be a nice couple eheheheh
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Shaqattack
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Posted : Nov 3, 2004 18:22
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yea thts really true...
wld be amazin..to see a girl play full on wld surely bring a smile on my face...
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Nov 4, 2004 01:10
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i don't think this has to do with girls and equipment or different thinking between the genders.
it's just that psytrance is an aggressive type of music and naturally the females are the less aggressive gender.
i'm sure you'll find plenty of female euro-trance or chill-out producers... and listeners.
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Posted : Nov 4, 2004 12:28
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On 2004-10-28 14:37, traveller wrote:
There are a few..
Anyways maybe it's just because boys do it way better 
Or perhaps it has something to with computers, which are still seen as sort of manly things.
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On 2004-10-28 18:02, cybberia wrote:
Come on ,you really believe that? That is a "manly" thinking. Girls can play and produce just as good and maybe better than man,but I think that the only problem is the lack of self confidence,and it comes as a result of the unconfidence of the people when they see a girl on the stage. They will throw away the whole good set for one mistake. I sometimes play music in one trance caffe and from my experience,people can be very judgemental. You can be so very good,but still,compared to a man,you are still second best. And that is why girls arent so present at the stage(my humble oppinion)
Oh,and yeah,I like the idea also,let's get together:P
boy+girl=agressive+progressive=revolution!
Verry good:)
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... interesting point, & actually one i can relate to... well on the DJ side of things anyways.
Personally i am a shocker for not pushing myself, just because i am scared to mess up in front of people.. silly silly attitude i know, but it's one that's hard to kick.
Maybe it is more of a feminine trait? but i'm still not convinced?
It's a pretty tricky question to figure out. The best answer maybe, put all the contributing factors together; boy dominated sport, technical, time consuming, expensive to get started, diff. brain structures etc.etc.
and then say it's not often you'll come across a chick who can get over all the barriers or simply has the right personality & psychee to want to,.. let alone drive, perseverance & passion..
I've not really been amongst the scene for too long, but it seems that more females are wanting to produce & dj electronic music in general (actually i did a EMP course at SAE this year & just under 1/2 our class were female), & with threads like this, support, & seeing that if you wanna do it there's nothing stopping you!!!
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It's proven that when it comes to logic and math and creativity (in working out something new) male brain tends to be superior to female, no? And in the end music is all about creating..
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females need to get over a whole lot of shit/supression in the past where this kind of belief was always held.. it's better now than it was b4; but these kind of thoughts i think can hold you back in a kind of brainwashing way - just get over them & go for it
actually another daunting thing is the competitive race to be the best, which is a natural music industry thing, but alot of the time i can feel unsupported by some boy mates, but i'm sure it's cos they feel threatened!
One more thing... alot of the girls in psy could be put in the 'hippy' stereo-type,.. hippy + technology often don't gel together so well.. just another thought??
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ganjagil
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Posted : Nov 4, 2004 12:46
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All that is said in this forum has a lot of truth, the thing is not so complicated as it seems though because normally the girls would think a million consequences to a simple solution! Girls just try not to think and start loving the music like you love your mother & father or more and then you will be ready to start producing good music! Cause when you love something so much you do not care about yourself anymore you just care about the thing you love most and then it's a good time to start producing! Music is something special and this we all know maybe us boys get into it more easily cause we do not think so much but just love it!
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Posted : Nov 5, 2004 00:49
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On 2004-11-04 12:46, ganjagil wrote:
All that is said in this forum has a lot of truth, the thing is not so complicated as it seems though because normally the girls would think a million consequences to a simple solution! Girls just try not to think and start loving the music like you love your mother & father or more and then you will be ready to start producing good music! Cause when you love something so much you do not care about yourself anymore you just care about the thing you love most and then it's a good time to start producing! Music is something special and this we all know maybe us boys get into it more easily cause we do not think so much but just love it!
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I reckon we girls love thee music just as much as you boys!!!
& so far in my experience, me thinks that the more you become involved with producing/mixing, the more you think about the music & different parts & how they all fit together... it has been important to think about it & study the stucture of diff. trx
- i'm sure i've heard the common kind of joke that often when you're so wrapped up in your music, it is hard to go to a doof & simply listen & enjoy as a whole cos your so used to listening 'too' hard - if that makes sense. - it can be hard to switch off.
you have a good point in maybe we think too broadly & dramatically when we come across a problem,.. rather than get to the root of it, there seems to be a million possiblilites of why it's not working & then it's just all too overwhelming
I'm reading a book at the mo which is discussing classical vs romantic thinking -
females are generally controlled by the romantic thinking pattern,.. & i'm not sure how to tie it all up but it's got to have something to do with it!
The book is awesome - it's called "Zen & the art of motorcycle maintenance". It brings up a hell of a lot of interesting points, & it has actually helped me alot in my own quest.
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Purple
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Posted : Nov 5, 2004 15:59
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it's generally said that birds are better at multi tasking, whilst blokes like to focus on one thing and are crap at doing many things at once, like holding a baby, answering the phone and cooking at the same time.
However there ARE female dj's and producers who are pissed off with the male chauvenist dominated scene we are in, like it or not these women take a back seat usually and don't get the good bookings over guys all because the guys are more aggressive with what they want, who is the best and don't have the patience to show women their precious equipment.
There's Super Kozi, Domino, Stella Nutella from Sweden, Beka Stewart from OZ, Sally Doolally in Germany, and Michelle Adamson here in the uk, and loads more all waiting in the wings for us men to cut them some serious slack... in a nice way!
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Nov 5, 2004 19:13
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On 2004-11-04 01:10, Gilad Refael wrote:
i don't think this has to do with girls and equipment or different thinking between the genders.
it's just that psytrance is an aggressive type of music and naturally the females are the less aggressive gender.
i'm sure you'll find plenty of female euro-trance or chill-out producers... and listeners.
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well, sorry, but i do not agree.
first, it´s a widespread ideology in our contemporary postmodern societies that men and women are equal.
this is nonsense.
we, male and female, are extremely different in many aspects (cognition, emotion, notiopn of space and time etc.)
this wrong erroneous awareness has maybe been useful in the ´60s and ´70s, in the course of emancipation, but now it doesn´t serve the women anymore.
second, psychedelic trance is not inevitably an agressive music. of course there are plenty of agressive tracks (and i love many of them), but just take a look at goatrance, psy-ambient or euphorical deep psytrance (like blue planet corp., dimension5, amithaba buddha, cosma, astral projection etc.)
nevertheless, your arguments may be right, but not because they are true.
ideologies are very resistant, and, paradoxically they are conserved and enforced by those who actually "suffer" from them...
just look at underprivileged groups who often follow the stupidities whichthey are told by the privileged...
or the fact that george w. bush got re-elected after all the bullshithe did (especially the lost lives in the irak war)
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Hodi
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Posted : Nov 5, 2004 21:29
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well it seems that throughout human history woman rarely fullfiled their musical talent.
look back to the 19th century, woman composers were rare (maybe u can mention few like clara schumann and fanny mendelssohn)
today with all the crappy commercial music (pop) woman are more involved but not in the more complex genres of music but the more shallow ones..
u can find "Anything U Want" using the search... |
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The_Guardians_Of_Truth
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Posted : Nov 6, 2004 00:17
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You are perfectly right " hod gavriel" !
And it is not just about music...
There are not too many womens in any form of art or science.
If i take a look in the history i can see only mans: Arhimede, Aristotel, Platon, Newton, Leonardo DaVinci,Raphael,Goethe,Kant,Nietzche, Bethoven,Wagner, Einstein ... and many more
Not even one single women ???
Maybe becouse the womens always choose to make simple things...or not to stress too much ??
Psy trance music is one of the first forms of art that is using brain waves for transmiting his message instead of "empathy" (just like all other music styles).
U need a lot of brain to understand it (this is a must for man and womens in the same time). It is more easy to listen and understand vocal music.
Don't get me wrong ! I have nothing against womens. There are lots of great womens.. but so hard to find I am still loking for their hidding place!
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Sorry for my english
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