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Who Is The Hotest Artiest In South Africa Now?
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Byte Da Pixie
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Posted : Dec 28, 2005 22:41
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a well known dj once said to me when talkin bout the trance scenes evolution.. "if u eat pizza for a WHOLE year.. u not gonna wanna eat it for a LONG time after that!" meanin people get bored and want a change. peoples sound always changes, EVERYHTING CHANGES.
dont complain.. embrace !!!:biggrin: |
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theskragg
Rabdom L
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 15:39
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WOW - talk about the snow ball effect
u know i'm firmly of the belief that there aint no such thing as bad publicity. So feel free to say what u like, just remember to spell my name correctly.
one luv |
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code a
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Jan 14, 2006 09:26
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BT: I might come over a bit harsh, but that's just cos I’m really pissed about the niveau of the music and the scene at the moment as it is all affecting my life in a big manner. I love going to tranceparties, meeting new, kif people, and partying to good music. Lately I’ve just seen people who I’d have never thought I’d see at a t-party and that really isn't good… and it's just getting worse. Obviously new people need to be attracted to the scene, but it's just going completely the wrong way and the wrong people are coming. The guys that are just going for the trips. Of course they'll love the music, they don't know wat real psy is and this stuff nowadays is just like funky, cheesy radiomusic. That’s why they dig, that's why there is such a thing as the charts. The problem now though is that all the right people are starting not to come anymore cos they know wat it can be like. I mean, I might as well go to gallery cos all the gallery folk are coming to the vort you know... music’s the same anyway... nobody goes to a party for the music anymore and you cannot tell me otherwise!! It’s just a huge fuckfest, just another thing to do on a Saturday night. So don't feel attacked now, I’m just in a bad mood cos in my eyes the scene is quite frankly not a scene anymore.
mandj: I don't think you can say the scene is succeeding because it is going commercial. That is contradictory in itself. As I see it the scene had to resort to commercialism in order to "succeed". It’s basically all about the money and the artists seeing that there is no real cash in psy. It is, after all, an underground culture where there is no real big money. So they go ahead and make the music more listenable to attract a wider audience. there is no way in hell anyone can ever convince me that this stuff nowadays is a progression from what it was in the earlier days. Anyone can hear straight away that the old stuff is much more complex and much more work has been put into it. Just like with proper psychedelic now. I mean I do have ears you know...
shift, please don’t tell me that Vader track is a rip off cos then your basically saying that all the timecode stuff is some kinda rip-off. You guys' sound is all in that direction at the moment and you’re now kinda dissing yourself. Seems like your admitting that you’re not making music for music’s sake, but the cash. Back in the day you maybe did have the right to call yourselves evil overlords of psytrance (locally at least), but that abomination thing I really didn't understand...
"If we were really trying to be the evil overlords of trance then I don’t think people would really come to the party,, do u?? -- or was it false adrvertising!!"
Ok, you say people don’t come to evil parties, but you advertise as evil and then play Winnie the poo remixes. That’s pretty shweet, even though I dunno what the fuck you’re trying to achieve. The guys that were there obviously came to see the evil overlords of psytrance and got what? The stuff that the people that weren’t there wanted to hear....... what a joke. Anyway, do wat you like cos there will always be guys who dig your shit. If you don't care that the people who really appreciate an artists music start tuning that it is starting to loose its energy then u gotta live with that.
“its just music”
That says it all. Fuckin idiot..!!
Nihilism: you have a very good point, unfortunately it doesn't apply to the SA trance scene, or timecode or anyone playing at or throwing those big parties. In all honesty, are u tryin to tell me phyx, skragg or shift's music has evolved? How can anyone say that? All it is now is just a kick and an extremely loud hihat. And using other people's melodies, if melodies at all... and then it breaks. Jesus, can't anyone actually hear the simplicity and the swing (pun intended) towards the commercial types of music? This music is an insult to the genre of psychedelic and I dunno what quality you mean, cos none is present except maybe in the production. Its cool though cos if all the hardhousers, ravers, ticheads and camps bay kids all pay 250 bucks a ticket for a party then we really know we’re reaching new frontiers. Shit, lets just all get fucked. Sweet
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zakesm
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Jan 14, 2006 16:45
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@ shift - when is that vader track coming out? heard it at labyrinth last month and i like it. dont really care if its 'fluff' and not really psy. i need it! |
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Zion Llinguist - MMD Rec.
Zion Linguist
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Posted : Jan 16, 2006 22:40
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Damn Dude, in the end it is just music... U really should take a chill! If u don't like it, don't listen to it, no one is forceing u to buy it. And at a party, do what everyone else does during sets they don't dig, go chillout somewhere and enjoy the party, then hit the floor again when u decide the music is kiff.
Peace... |
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Caligula
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Jan 17, 2006 02:05
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codea: your annoyance at the way the scene has changed is understandable. its true there are people, undesirables as it were, who have started to come to parties, but surely everyone is entitled to try new things? you will notice these people either don't return, or they only come to one vortex a year. and we all know what vortex is about... big production is going to attract people from various genres. bear in mind that at your first party you didnt' quite understand the music, or how to stomp for that matter.. and the fact that many of these people look a bit out of place doesnt mean they aren't respecful human beings merely looking for a good party as you once were. let them learn what you once learnt.
concerning your attitude and comments to local producers, however, i have a few things to say...
how can you possibly have the audacity to tell producers how to make music? shift's cricket analogy says it best... and ironically we do have people bemoaning the way kallis bats... what gives people the right to malign someone who is such an invaluable, talented cog in the machine? in a music (or art) context this is even more applicable. artists create what they themselves enjoy, not what they think people will like. that is not to say i dont agree that certain people have only money in mind when creating, however they are the minority... but i hardly think of all people that psytrance producers sit down and think only of sales when they produce. the notion is laughable. remember people have to make a living too... it can't all be about the art all the time... one has to pay for expensive equipment merely to start.
you have said a lot about psytrance in general, and your unhappiness leads me to the conlcusion that you don't in fact like psytrance. and yet you're undeniably passionate about music... would it not be better to focus your energy on trying to find a scene that does make you happy. if it is not, as you say, like it once was... then move on and dig deeper. i grew tired of rock music, and was unhappy with the way it was evolving, and so i moved on... and found psytrance. i could have chosen your path and spent my time on other message boards bitching about how billy corgan, for example, has copped out and turned soft-cock and used many other disagreeable epithets to describe the direction a talented musician has chosen. but then i realised i had no right to... artists are entitled to their art... no matter what the public thinks. further, surely you dont believe your anonymous online rants will cause these artists to change their direction to suit your tastes? the only other solution is to sit alone in your room and listen to your own music, although after reading your comments i don't think that would even make you happy.
with regard to accusing people of only being into psy parties for the drugs... i hardly think people would be exchanging ideas on a messageboard concerning which artists they like if this were, in fact, true. indeed there are people out there who only go for the trip, the rush or the high... but direct your frustrations at them, and not people who agree with you. to do so is purely destructive.
the way you bring your point across shows a complete unwillingness to hear, or respect the other side's opinion... in any debate or conflict of ideas surely the fundamental basis of resolution is drawing a rational conclusion based on both sides of the argument? you don't know everything, and neither do, but at least i acknowledge such.
please don't bring any more of your negativity and conflict to such a magical scene... indeed it is the one remaining place i thought these things were absent.
once again i implore you to take positive steps to feeling better about the situation which upsets you. negativity begets negativity and the more you bring down the producers, the more unhappy you'll be. i fully advocate criticism, and its is vital for the positive evolution of any art... however the method is vital... and i think your verbal "smash and grab" approach needs review.
to the producers who have been involved in this spat... for all its worth, you have all had extremely positive influences on my life. thank you.
p.s. codea - perhaps a sample of your music?
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Caligula
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Posted : Jan 17, 2006 14:22
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and back to the topic...
for night the hottest is - shift
mid-morning... once the sun startes baking... hydraglyph
and for midday... definitely protoculture!!
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s@tanboy
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Posted : Jan 18, 2006 20:41
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For the night:
Slug
Lost & Found
Fujak |
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Zion Llinguist - MMD Rec.
Zion Linguist
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Posted : Jan 18, 2006 21:24
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On 2006-01-18 20:41, s@tanboy wrote:
For the night:
Slug
Lost & Found
Fujak
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Fujak???
Cool name... |
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code a
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 10:03
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well each to their own, but listen to some artists like megalopsy, vector selector, para halu, kindzadza... that's where my love for psytrance comes in. obviously because it's heavy, but mainly because its actually got consistent melody and rythm. just listen and then make up your own opinion.
also, it's not like i dislike anyone here personally, but in my eyes it's pretty obvious that the artists i tune know exactly what they are doing and why they are doing it, which doesn't necessarily have to be a good thing.
regarding my production: patience. firstly, there's no way i feel my music is ready for anyone to hear or judge yet anyway and secondly i don't want anyone tunin out of spite.
those guys i mentioned above have quite a large influence on my music so you'll get an idea on what to eventually expect from me 
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shift
Shift
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Posted : Jan 23, 2006 09:13
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so u like fart fart trance do u??
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can't wait to hear it
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hopefully it will scare some sense into me
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XP Satya
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Posted : Jan 23, 2006 11:07
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IMHO, Matthew aka Artifakt is the hottest artist now coz his position and origins of his sound. But all of the releases of missed 2k5 shows, how different and fragmented the african scene is. Every release, such as compilation or album, has a few nice one rockin' tracks, for midnight, morning, afternoon etc. (Especially thanx 4 MMD for new artists with a new stuff).
In my homeland, Ukraine, I'm now such an exclusive DJ who plays ZA music...and people like that. |
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slug
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Posted : Jan 23, 2006 11:39
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@ codea, one fundamental point seems to be misunderstood .... the artists that make the kind of "winne the pooh" remixes you are hating ... actually like that kinda music. I know a lot of these ppl, and I really believe its not the cash factor determining the kind of tunes and parties being made.
I can understand how for someone with your musical tastes, the newer timecode stuff is sounding shit and unappealing. I really can. But its a case of them having different tastes and attitudes, rather than selling out and being uncreative, I believe. |
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Headroom
Headroom
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Posted : Jan 23, 2006 23:10
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"OH my sack. Code A when's your album coming out. Put me down for like 20 copies. Will have to count the days till then."
We'll all have open ears for your stuff and considering how much you have tuned everyone about their own , it better be good.
HEADROOM - "Artelligent" (NANO Records) out now....... www.myspace.com/headroomusic |
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Stregone
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Posted : Jan 24, 2006 03:14
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I readed the discussion 
I wanted to say just some things, also here in Switzerland there a big amount of new people, wich I would never thinked to see in a party, but this is not at all because of the music, but because more poeple goes to party, more party are organised, more people are involved and the scene is evolving, is logical that if there are more people involved there are also differents people going to partys and also a big part of them going there because of drugs, more then music....
But you can't do anything to change this, a part from trying it to keep it underground and to organise small party with nice peoples.....
For my personal opinion the hottest artists in SA scene are for sure shift & Protoculture, but I think there r many upcoming artists, that with some more experience can do really really good PSYCHAEDELIK music |
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