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What are the most important differences between European and Israel Trance?
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Sep 10, 2005 01:42
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Common Pavel don't compare Antix to these guys with all due respect to them. They are just different skills. I don't like Antix and i think they have not that pro production but Israeli psy progressive producers not even close to be Antix or any other Iboga artist. BLT with his last album was close but the style he done is dead so no income. Yuli born in europe so this is the shit! He is not that Israeli who does hafif and his nature still european.
Israelis do everything "hafif" (quick hand), not 100% finished because we very pressured nation like Americans but we don't like to work as American's do. So we have no point of pressure but we still do everything "hafif" not only music. Politics, Economy and rest of things.
We are hafif nation! Not the best thing to be imho!
BTW, prosect is another Russian so probably he won't do things "hafif" as born Israelis do. |
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Pavel
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Posted : Sep 10, 2005 01:46
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I disagree. Music is more than hard work and skills. There are a lot of hafif people that make amazing music. And BLT being born in Europe doesn't mean a shit. I wasn't born in Israel as well, but my mentality tends to be much more Israeli. Well except i tend to be more gentle and more subtle than the typical Israeli. But than again what is a typical Israeli? Mind you, there are atleast a million immigrants here that came from Europe in the last 15 years. But that's wildly offtopic.
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Sep 10, 2005 13:58
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These immigrants the only one who do the job now. Music making is not only skills and hard work i agree but these things make your music more qualited. So these factors are important.
Typical Israeli now is, 18-21 old ars with trip smile and "big dick"! This is the music i hear. Even chillout Israelis do sound amateur compared to European artists. In Europe they tend not to release crap because choise is wide, here tones of labels, tones of artists and noone buy this music. I mean wouldn't buy Israeli psy cd even for 10nis, even as present for buying European CD i wouldn't take ISraeli artist CD. Quality is very low! This is the main difference why Eurotrance is better than Israeli.
When i say quality i mean everything, from sound to musical skill. There are artists who somehow avoid being Israeli in music but these artists are very known here on forum for many years and gained alot of respect among us.
I think one hand is more than enough to name the only true Israeli artists. Somehow i tend to believe BNE's ability to choose music, Common BNE artists are ahead of any other label artists in Israel. |
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psy^soldier
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Posted : Sep 10, 2005 14:19
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there is alot of europe crap also |
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Sep 10, 2005 18:58
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Yes, but statically more crap from Israel. |
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ori_k
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Posted : Sep 10, 2005 19:23
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most crap comes from ppls asses imo
that's why israeli fullon is "muzika mehatachat" |
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Madpup
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Posted : Sep 10, 2005 22:23
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How about Astrix? I am not the biggest fan of his music, but the production is top notch. Same with Infected Mushroom, Sub6 and a few other Israeli acts.
It seems that it is much easier to get signed if you are an Israeli artist, so many of these acts get signed before they developed good production skills and then they possibly do not have the desire/talent to develop those skills further.
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HandA
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Posted : Sep 10, 2005 22:27
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On 2005-09-10 22:23, Madpup wrote:
It seems that it is much easier to get signed if you are an Israeli artist, so many of these acts get signed before they developed good production skills and then they possibly do not have the desire/talent to develop those skills further.
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I would rather have a less good production and more individual creativity in the scene. Or preferable a combination of both. A good production is nothing without a talent behind the production. Evereybody can do a kik and a bass. Not many can develope their own unique style. That take years. |
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ND
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Posted : Sep 10, 2005 22:47
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On 2005-09-10 22:23, Madpup wrote:
It seems that it is much easier to get signed if you are an Israeli artist
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Looks like the flag I'm carrying near my username for years not helps as you said?
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Dopamin
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Posted : Sep 10, 2005 22:50
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On 2005-09-10 22:47, ND wrote:
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On 2005-09-10 22:23, Madpup wrote:
It seems that it is much easier to get signed if you are an Israeli artist
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Looks like the flag I'm carrying near my username for years not helps as you said?
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, i just changed mine to get domestic gigs in japan....;P
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Pavel
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Posted : Sep 10, 2005 22:54
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I was just booked to play in Lebanon.
Ok, i got an offer, but unfortunatelly i can't do it right now.
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Madpup
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Posted : Sep 10, 2005 23:07
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I would rather have a less good production and more individual creativity in the scene. Or preferable a combination of both. A good production is nothing without a talent behind the production. Evereybody can do a kik and a bass. Not many can develope their own unique style. That take years.
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Of course you are right...its just that I commented on the debate of production skills of Israeli acts versus European acts, guess i didnt make myself clear.
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Sep 10, 2005 23:47
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Madpup, exactly about these guys i was talking, who have unique style and good production, so BNE (biggest label in Israel and maybe one of biggest in world for psytrance) sign them! |
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Pavel
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Posted : Sep 10, 2005 23:59
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I don't know i am smelling envy on this page.
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ori_k
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Posted : Sep 11, 2005 00:00
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ah theres one more thing
israeli newcomers are always in such a rush, that they hurry and get a 1st album ready, and most of the energy goes to marketing and creating a hype around the new act. i mean, seriously, they release like 3 trax on compis then they make an un-uncreative album with 8-10 nearly identical trax mostly with poor production and no orignal ideas.
thats what most of the scene in israel today is all about. ofcourse there are always exeptions....like sub6 that have a style of their own and are extremly talented and hard working. even if u dont like their style, u can see how much time and energy were put into their album. too bad they are exeptional....and usually we have to suffer immature clubbish fullon like electro sun |
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