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What are the most important differences between European and Israel Trance?
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PsyDuck
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Posted : Jun 28, 2004 17:06
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Can anyone help me with that?
I am not an expert in music, I dance to what I like, and as it happens I like both Europeans and Israeli artists.
I wonder if somebody can put in words the most important differences of the 2 schools.
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Glaeken
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Posted : Jun 28, 2004 17:50
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On 2004-06-28 17:06, PsyDuck wrote:
Can anyone help me with that?
I am not an expert in music, I dance to what I like, and as it happens I like both Europeans and Israeli artists.
I wonder if somebody can put in words the most important differences of the 2 schools.
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The first and main difference is that Israeli trance is more melodic/morning. In Europe styles are much more different, depends what label, artist and country or region it is. For example:
German = dark tec-trance, minimal, Scandinavia = progressive,
France = full on, psytrance,
but... it's not the rule, examples above are just tendences of most projects/labels from that region/country.
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Surrender
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Posted : Jun 28, 2004 19:07
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PsyDuck, your question is very broad and to answer it with a single response might first come off as an attempt to give you the info you seek, but is actually a generalization.
The actual answer is that there is no specific answer.
Israel has music producers that are ranging from pretty much all parts of the musical spectrum in our genre. from minimal to techtrance, from proggy to poptrance, from soumi style to full on and from darktrance to goa. im sure i even left out some classifications so i hope noone gets upset here...
to be even more complete, Europeans have that same broad spectrum covered with artists representing just about anything that comes to mind... so its really not a question that can be answered with one response in my opinion.
there are however generalization due to world popularity of things, so that whole regions are labeled as producing a certain type of music soley.... but thats a load of crap if you really try to investigate what you like.
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DETOX
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Posted : Jun 29, 2004 02:01
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'European Trance' has usually better production quality and more innovative and experimental ideas than the majority of the Israeli releases.
Artists like Deedrah,Dino Psaras,The Antidote,Orion and Logic Bomb have their own unique style and sounds,while on the other side 90% of the Israeli artists sound the same.
In Israel almost everybody wants to produce music like Infected Mushroom or Astrix and immitate them,most of the time really badly.Only few artists have their own sound like Sub6 for example who are relatively new to the scene.
And to make a long story short i can name at least ten artists that sound (or at least try to sound) like Astrix (you know also who they are) but i cannot think of anyone who makes or even tries to make music like Synthetic or The Antidote or Wizzy Noise for example.
For me Europe is miles ahead from the israeli sound and though Israel has many highly respected artists like Infected Mushroom,Astrix,Alien Project,Space Cat,Oforia,BLT and some more,the majority of the new artists coming from the Holy Land produce really boring and repetetive music.
Thats my humble opinion on the subject.
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Dovla
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Posted : Jun 29, 2004 03:40
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and I pretty much agree with you 
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Posted : Jun 29, 2004 10:09
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me too
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spannungsbogen
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N0MEX
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Posted : Jun 29, 2004 11:45
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my opinion that most of israely trance music sounds more monotonly that europe |
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Glaeken
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Posted : Jun 29, 2004 13:13
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Can u give me an examples ? Especially Israeli minimal, tec-trance & darktrance projects.
I agree with Detox, Israeli trance sounds the same. There is no such a big differences as in Europe, but Israel is just a country... Europe is a huge continent, so i'm not surprised.
btw... i don't think that Orion and The Antidote have unique style. |
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Mambo_Bamboo
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Posted : Jun 29, 2004 13:46
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On 2004-06-29 02:01, DETOX wrote:
'European Trance' has usually better production quality and more innovative and experimental ideas than the majority of the Israeli releases.
Artists like Deedrah,Dino Psaras,The Antidote,Orion and Logic Bomb have their own unique style and sounds,while on the other side 90% of the Israeli artists sound the same.
In Israel almost everybody wants to produce music like Infected Mushroom or Astrix and immitate them,most of the time really badly.Only few artists have their own sound like Sub6 for example who are relatively new to the scene.
And to make a long story short i can name at least ten artists that sound (or at least try to sound) like Astrix (you know also who they are) but i cannot think of anyone who makes or even tries to make music like Synthetic or The Antidote or Wizzy Noise for example.
For me Europe is miles ahead from the israeli sound and though Israel has many highly respected artists like Infected Mushroom,Astrix,Alien Project,Space Cat,Oforia,BLT and some more,the majority of the new artists coming from the Holy Land produce really boring and repetetive music.
Thats my humble opinion on the subject.
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Top creative (and different) artists from israel:
Astral Projection
MFG
Mystica
Xerox
Infected Mushroom
Space Cat
The Misted Muppet
Sub6
psydrop
Psycraft
Astrix
violent vision
every artist in this list have his own unique sound, and all of them makes unforgettable music!
the israeli trance got me into psytrance.
they have something in their creative that makes you wants for more.
and our Europe music is very quality, But it doesn't have that special touch that makes you want for more... at least not for me.
GMS, Raja Ram, Bamboo Forest and Simon Posford are the only groups that have the touch the israelis have...
there are lots of fine artists like Deedrah,Dino Psaras,The Antidote,Orion and much more...
and I must say Orion has one of the must quality music i ever heard,but he and the others don't make something that make you say WOWWWWWWWWW WHAT THE HECK WAS THAT LINE?!i find myself more and more saying this line in israeli psytrance.
bottom line
the real different between the israeli music and the europe music is the big "WOW" that israeli got in the music...
this is what i feel anyway |
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Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
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Posted : Jun 29, 2004 13:54
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On 2004-06-29 13:13, Glaeken wrote:
Can u give me an examples ? Especially Israeli minimal, tec-trance & darktrance projects.
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i agree that most artists do sound the same but.....
"Techtrance"-PPS Project,Triac
"Minimal"-??? u have to wait a bit for that,things are cooking
"Dark Trance" is a very wide deffinition and can be the case in Minimal,FullOn,Prog' every genere... im not sure what u mean by that but- PsycoticMicro,Azax Syndrom,WinterDemon etc. is this what u mean?
cheers.
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shahar
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Posted : Jun 29, 2004 14:10
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There is no important difference.
There are differences, non of them important, though.
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shahar
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Posted : Jun 29, 2004 14:21
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On 2004-06-29 13:13, Glaeken wrote:
Can u give me an examples ? Especially Israeli minimal, tec-trance & darktrance projects.
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Oh, I can give you examples alright. But for what?
No one buys this music anyway, or invite these artists to play, everybody buys music of those clones you complain about and attend parties with the boring big names you mention.
So nothing else survives here... plain and simple.
There have been a lot of people making different and interesting music here, they hardly survive if at all. So you don't hear of them.
I'll give you some examples:
There's BLT, first on my different and interesting list- and though he and Danni give a smashing live set, all the festivals you attend and organize go with IM, Astrix, Skazi etc.
There's Triac who make brutal dark tech-trance, much better than some of the "famous" names in that scene. Except for few rare compilations. Nothing.
There's Evil Drug Lords, who hopefully will release an album finally, making very different music, very diverse, very special- GuyShanti there is my favorite trance DJ around, doesn't get to play abroad.
I can give you more examples, and I can also give you examples of very talented people who either stopped making music altogether or changed their style to survive.
and there's the doof guys, of course, who I love for their originality and the way they stick to what they believe, though I don't like their music 
The only get away is the chillout section- that's where you'll find me
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DETOX
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Posted : Jun 29, 2004 14:36
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Glaeken Orion and The Antidote have their own unique style indeed,i mean if you go to a party and a dj plays one of their tunes you can immediately understand to who it belongs.The Antidote has this banging kick and space backround sounds and melodies and Orion has this great baseline and atmosphere in his music,for me he is the most atmospheric artists in the scene.
Mambo_Bamboo,Mystica and MFG have long left this scene plus Astral Projection are not as active and influential as they used to be in the past.
Plus i cannot see any difference at all between Psydrop's music and Astrix.
I think that also a main difference between Israel and the European's is that Israel's music is more dancefloor oriantated while European music is more intelligent.
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zooter
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Posted : Jun 29, 2004 15:33
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Aren't GMS & Raja Ram originally from Israel? Have you guys disowned them? (or am i wrong?) |
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