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Posted : May 9, 2007 15:40
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On 2007-04-24 13:28, spytooned psytones wrote:
Why isn't more Dj's playing around with the knobs on the mix-table? Why are you people so afraid of creating a twisted adventure out of this world. Why do you love the generic approach so much? What’s wrong with some mind bending spice??
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Why is the interest of this question so low? Doesn’t people/Dj's care about twisting knobs at all? Is it the mix from track a to track b so important that you forget everything else? Some tracks are perfect for twisting knobs making the sound all trippy flippy. A good example imo to twist knobs on is Total Skazi - The Drum. Mmmm mind bending adventures
http://www.discogs.com/release/71812
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Posted : May 11, 2007 09:54
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For me in my experience, the Dj's (let's include the audience as well) are so concerned about the "flow" of their set, that they don’t dare to play with a bit of imagination and emotions. It wouldn't kill you if the baseline and kick didn’t move in the same phase for X hours. So many are so "pro" that you can't even hear the difference between track one to ten. It all goes in the same stream. I like a nice stream, but some waterfalls and curves here there isn't such a bad idea either. Let's go rafting. Come on people, experiment a little. .. No, I need to do something my self.
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Posted : May 11, 2007 10:30
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On 2007-03-13 21:50, deejayridoo wrote:
It´s me you´re looking for
no... seriously... that´s what people have been telling me for years now that my DJ sets always are very special, experimental and challenging. The extreme opposite of the standard 
but that´s also the reason why nobody or hardly anybody books me anymore 
what an open minded scene 
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projekt^ufo
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Posted : May 13, 2007 22:05
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On 2007-04-20 19:44, psychotic_neuroscientist wrote:
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On 2007-04-02 03:56, soulfood wrote:
Just play the damn records  . I like DJ's that pick a good tune and don't use filters on the master channel every 2 minutes. And hell, what's the point of looking at a dj? Sounds like a hip hop culture thing where it's all about attitude and style.
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@ soulfood.
mate trance is all about giving & taking. the whole thing about the crowd looking at the dj is too realte wid the dj & for dj to relate wid the crowd through his music & not a thing off attitude but respect & appreciation as for that moment the dj or artist is the source of energy,vibes & music.
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lurk
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Posted : May 17, 2007 13:41
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i agree with krell on all of his points... usually for me, my mixes are usually between 1min 30 secs and 2mins long... as most tracks these days seem to be be around the 7min/7min 30sec mark, it only leaves you about 3 or 4 minutes to get find and decide the next track (i don't use any kind of set list, i make it up as i go along), cue it up and get it in time... it's not that long. any "spare time" i have, is usually used for making an idiot of myself on stage/trying to connect with the dancefloor with eyecontact/smiles/wanker signs/whatever really 
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Posted : May 25, 2007 11:07
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On 2007-05-09 15:40, spytooned psytones wrote:
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On 2007-04-24 13:28, spytooned psytones wrote:
Why isn't more Dj's playing around with the knobs on the mix-table? Why are you people so afraid of creating a twisted adventure out of this world. Why do you love the generic approach so much? What’s wrong with some mind bending spice??
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Why is the interest of this question so low? Doesn’t people/Dj's care about twisting knobs at all? Is it the mix from track a to track b so important that you forget everything else? Some tracks are perfect for twisting knobs making the sound all trippy flippy. A good example imo to twist knobs on is Total Skazi - The Drum. Mmmm mind bending adventures
http://www.discogs.com/release/71812
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Sadly, most often, the effect of knob-twisting is not heard at all...
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Kitnam
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Posted : May 31, 2007 03:59
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On 2007-03-31 20:22, aog406 wrote:
What are some (actually, many) DJs doing while a track is playing (apart from mixing)? They seem to be constantly turning and moving something on the decks, pushing buttons, etc...
Adjusting the the sound? Every 5 seconds?
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dont know what djs do but liveact is realy simple:
press play, go desktop.
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full_on
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Posted : May 31, 2007 05:19
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On 2007-05-11 09:54, spytooned psytones wrote:
For me in my experience, the Dj's (let's include the audience as well) are so concerned about the "flow" of their set, that they don’t dare to play with a bit of imagination and emotions. It wouldn't kill you if the baseline and kick didn’t move in the same phase for X hours. So many are so "pro" that you can't even hear the difference between track one to ten. It all goes in the same stream. I like a nice stream, but some waterfalls and curves here there isn't such a bad idea either. Let's go rafting. Come on people, experiment a little. .. No, I need to do something my self.
Watch out. I will get you.
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Disagree.
If you want something different play a different track. What you wrote sounds like an excuse for a bad DJ...
I experimented a lot, but better response and vibe from the crowd comes with good mixing and good music, specially when playing a diversified/different/experimental/innovative set. The DJ must know what he wants his mix to sound like and must have the skill to make it happen.
Maybe I misunderstood you... In this case just ignore me... 
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Posted : Jan 8, 2009 14:31
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lol Iguess it can come across as an good excuse for a bad Dj
First of all, I need to learn beatmatching, this has sadly been ignored and it's a skill I realise is hyper super important! What I ment was that to use a mixer, say a Pioneer DJM-800 to RE-Mix the track (if done brutal enough) or to add your own twists to the track, to use beat effects and sound color fx, man! Of cource, it is about the track and it's possibileties and your present skills. But this is about beatMatching, so..
I got a good mixer, but I don't have very good CD-Players, I use Numark TCD05 and the Cue button is crap.. I guess this can't hurt as if I get some skills on those I'll master better players without a sweat(?).
*Note, there is a Huge difference about how, when and how Much you use the mixer to remix and effect a track. But comeon, most Dj's I see within the electronic scene got/plays on GOOD mixers, but never dare to even touch it. And as someone said, minimal techno, house ect is EASYier to mix up then goatrance. But they rarly do anything else then beatmatching and EQ'ing.
full_on, may be my vision on this all hasn't developed enough
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On 2004-04-08 03:01, Jikkenteki wrote:
anyone with any amount of musical training will tell you that listening to an hour or more of tracks all in the same key (or even related keys) tends to get boring very quickly.
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Posted : Jan 8, 2009 17:55
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there is nothing more stupid than a dj who twists the knobs all the time and uses those lame cdj100 effects and when the moment comes for a fine beatmix they don't do anything not even beatmixing......bah..... what a turnoff that is
it creates dj tiesto-like dj's..... all show, no flow
darkpsy is a good genre for mixing à la turntableists.....you just need a few LP's with a round carving, not spiral...so you can get loops of beats and basslines, you know like Dub-plates Ain-Soph (Trancebum Productions / Freakdance Records)
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jan 8, 2009 18:09
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Speaking for my self, about 1 minute mixing the tune in. about a minute looking for the next track and cueing it up, then about 4 minutes just dancing to the music, repeat the process.
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Posted : Jan 8, 2009 21:43
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yeah actually mixing psytrance takes pretty minimal effort compared to other genres, mostly EQ work though, so that's why you see lots of knob twiddling instead of, say, ninja crossfader cutting that breaks DJs do.
some psytrance DJs mix longer, 2-3 minutes instead of quick <1 minute mixes that are the most common. that's just how the genre evolved through DATs and fade mixing, i guess. <shrug>
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Posted : Jan 9, 2009 00:11
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yeah I mix in the last 1-1.5 minutes.
Psy tracks, well proper psy with many fx and sounds, sound messy if you mix to much together.
I go for a good flow that controls the mood and tells a story (deeper tribal and forest sounds) or for massive energy (like Cosmo or Kashyyyk or Highko type style) depending on what the crowd is like.
I also have borrowed my friends Nord Lead 2 a few times and run it direct through a third channel to just fiddle with some sounds, but this can go badly quite easily.
Just take all your music along and play a great set, good timing and beat matching are the only real skills needed with a bit of knowledge of eq'ing!
I usually have between 200-300 cd's with me at agig so I am never short of selection, and I know all my tracks very closely as I listen to them all day and night at work and home
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Posted : Jan 9, 2009 00:42
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On 2009-01-09 00:11, sergeantpepper666 wrote:
Psy tracks, well proper psy with many fx and sounds, sound messy if you mix to much together.
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It depends on the style. Progressive psytrance benefits from longer mixing a lot of the time (as long as your harmonics are in check). Full-on and South African demand more crossfader action, quicker cuts--with special attention paid to those sudden breaks and surprising twists that some artists like to throw in. Mixing darkpsy well is trickier than it seems at first. Perhaps it is the hardness of the rhythm section, but overlaying two tracks for long periods of time usually sounds bad. The crossfader techniques applicable to full-on sound a bit wrong here too--darkpsy is often steady and hypnotic, and such an approach breaks the trance spell, so I try to use a lighter touch, pick better tracks, and let the music speak. Of course, this applies less with the high-BPM stuff that is in fashion with all the kids--you can just go nuts with that stuff and it doesn't really matter. Point being: adapt your mixing style to the style of psytrance you are playing.
I think I've already written something in this thread so I'll leave it at that for now.
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Posted : Jan 9, 2009 09:47
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On 2009-01-09 00:42, Basilisk wrote:
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On 2009-01-09 00:11, sergeantpepper666 wrote:
Psy tracks, well proper psy with many fx and sounds, sound messy if you mix to much together.
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It depends on the style. Progressive psytrance benefits from longer mixing a lot of the time (as long as your harmonics are in check). Full-on and South African demand more crossfader action, quicker cuts--with special attention paid to those sudden breaks and surprising twists that some artists like to throw in. Mixing darkpsy well is trickier than it seems at first. Perhaps it is the hardness of the rhythm section, but overlaying two tracks for long periods of time usually sounds bad. The crossfader techniques applicable to full-on sound a bit wrong here too--darkpsy is often steady and hypnotic, and such an approach breaks the trance spell, so I try to use a lighter touch, pick better tracks, and let the music speak. Of course, this applies less with the high-BPM stuff that is in fashion with all the kids--you can just go nuts with that stuff and it doesn't really matter. Point being: adapt your mixing style to the style of psytrance you are playing.
I think I've already written something in this thread so I'll leave it at that for now.
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+1
Progressive have lots of room for longer mixing while other allready fullpower stuff just sound to messy while running trax along eachothers..
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