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frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 4, 2014 23:38
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On 2014-03-04 23:19, jizy wrote:
u make it seem like we are at school and talkin about how good your dads car is... no , i just want to hear it..on its own .. vb1 and a kick ! the clip links are not working for me,., can u not please pritty please re up them via something that is ....uhhm "flexible" enuff to use lol
** Edit ** Hooorraaayyyy
**Edit** after listening... i was wondering from the first clip i can hear the love u have for it... bless you..
no worries about critizing the processing as i didn't want that... afterall ,. for something you love so much how can i be sure that your not covering up for her? how do ikno that it was vb1.... pics please? 
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seriously? XD
here you go
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1470304/Screenshot%202014-03-04%2021.37.49.zip
it's just a sidechain compressor in there XD |
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 4, 2014 23:41
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we are lagging in front of eachother here freesbi... ive herd the clip
edit.. * aaahhhhh the screen shot... cheers
edit***** so, two things,., cheers for that and cheers for reminding me to change my ableton skin to a different one
i think what puts me off is the fuzzy mid/highs it delivers.. "as u would expect a bass guitar would want to" we all kno what the TB303 was originally designed to emulate right?look at it now... acid acid acid
vering back on to this debate ... can safely say its about taste...
an analogy of this i guess could be " you cant ram down an atomic vindaloo curry in everyones mouth and expect everyone to love it"....
sound quality tho,arrangement,mix,style purpose,belief,understanding and real concept's from divine sources are thee ingredients to my dish...
rant over.
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 4, 2014 23:50
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On 2014-03-04 23:41, jizy wrote:
we are lagging in front of eachother here freesbi... ive herd the clip
edit.. * aaahhhhh the screen shot... cheers
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not lagging, you just answered when I was editting previous message XD
yeah, know what you mean. depends on the kind of bass you're going for. but yeah, totally usable and can be - and sure is - made to sound a lot better then this. this is very close to the raw sound of it just playing some notes. it's all down to how you process it afterwards  |
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 4, 2014 23:59
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surlley tho, the processing after is going to alter its apparent popular character anyways.. i mean, a unique plugin chain for this bass , taking the same chain on say a tight filtered one..... whats makes the vb1 unique to alow the chain to work differently ..if that makes sense?
wouldn't it be fair to say , we can use anything and everything with a unique and correct experimented plugin chain... that works... i feel myself falling into a contradictory state here,i must alter the YinYang immediately  
lol Mushroom trip allover again, am i going to heaven no hell.. am i going to hell no heaven... FUK, but hang on no im going to be reincarnated but the plane of existence decides on the state of hell or heaven lol..........
!! stay with it... breathe,youv been a bad person but, you can be forgiven if u realize it!!!!!! lol haha thus , is blessed with a second chance..
Amen Mr Mushroom |
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 5, 2014 01:20
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getting back onto the subject... that processed clip you posted... well, whack Lives utility over it and hit phaze L & R... tell me what u think i dont no much about speaker science but its improved the lo end dramatically by some what alowing the kick in more, i a/b it whilst looking at the scope, and see that its not changing the shape but rather the perception in the way we hear it.... anyone else want 2 contribute? is this why eqs have the Phase option.... i understand the phase of the waveform... its in the name, but ......
i initially just wanted to see your waveform through the scope lo end , but me being me.... the rest is self explanatory .. gets a little experimentive
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 5, 2014 06:58
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On 2014-03-05 01:20, jizy wrote:
getting back onto the subject... that processed clip you posted... well, whack Lives utility over it and hit phaze L & R... tell me what u think i dont no much about speaker science but its improved the lo end dramatically by some what alowing the kick in more, i a/b it whilst looking at the scope, and see that its not changing the shape but rather the perception in the way we hear it.... anyone else want 2 contribute? is this why eqs have the Phase option.... i understand the phase of the waveform... its in the name, but ......
i initially just wanted to see your waveform through the scope lo end , but me being me.... the rest is self explanatory .. gets a little experimentive
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try and get some sleep first, and not on your dady's car dude! |
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NEBULOsity
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Posted : Mar 5, 2014 09:44
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secre3ts..... lol , this makes no sense, a maxi mizer then eq distortion..... why the maximizer first?surly ul crush out the dynamics with that order of chain..
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In this forum are a lots of topics about bassline where people use:
FL SoundGoodizer - which is just IL Maximus presets and one knob from it and Maximus is multiband maximizer
Waves L3 - which is multiband maximizer
SausageFattener - which I dont know how exactly work but from behavior I think that it use compression, saturation, limiting similary like maximizer
And order of that chain is exactly what I did ask
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 5, 2014 11:32
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dunno if it was my acoustic back then...but vb1 was working well only on a few notes and cool sound horrible for bassline with a kind of 303 riff with a few different notes used and stuff like that? |
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 5, 2014 11:36
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On 2014-03-04 22:38, Diagnosed Hippie wrote:
VB 1 was good 10 years ago, not really doing the job for the modern clicky psybass nowadays..
Just got a sampled ESM from logic and must say that this is one of the best basses i'v have heard for psytrance, almost get me to consider too get logic only for that synth 
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sure esm always been way better than vb1 ..for my taste |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 5, 2014 15:48
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On 2014-03-05 11:32, PoM wrote:
dunno if it was my acoustic back then...but vb1 was working well only on a few notes and cool sound horrible for bassline with a kind of 303 riff with a few different notes used and stuff like that?
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@POM pick it up and run some tests!
Being on the mac side for long, I never had a chance to have VB-1 on the arsenal until it was made free. Of course I've tried it before, along with Cronox 2 and some others that folks were using a lot, but mainly out of curiosity.
Every single time I've done this, I'd get interesting results that would make me think of some tunes or artists and that's cool. That you start with very similar sounds, but the little differences you get point you towards some direction. It's useless to use ES-1 and/or VB-1 (both have some limitations) and trying to make them sound like something else. With this kind of instrument, it either suits what you're going for or not. It's their own limitations that make them interesting, sometimes even what the developers have fucked up that makes it sound cool!
Same way it's funny to see people claiming some instrument is old and dusty and then using crazy chains that will fuck up the signal anyways - so there goes all the purity of signal. Who cares what the best sounding oscillator in the world is, many people praise old Nords and Virus more so then new ones because they get the extra grit and aliasing from old converters and think it adds up to the signal, now even Moog has added saturation/distortion, it's actually a trend nowadays, isn't it?
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 5, 2014 16:05
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On 2014-03-05 09:44, NEBULOsity wrote:
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secre3ts..... lol , this makes no sense, a maxi mizer then eq distortion..... why the maximizer first?surly ul crush out the dynamics with that order of chain..
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In this forum are a lots of topics about bassline where people use:
FL SoundGoodizer - which is just IL Maximus presets and one knob from it and Maximus is multiband maximizer
Waves L3 - which is multiband maximizer
SausageFattener - which I dont know how exactly work but from behavior I think that it use compression, saturation, limiting similary like maximizer
And order of that chain is exactly what I did ask
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no pun intended, but this is the kind of chain that fucks up the signal and defeats all of the "dust and old, not aliasing free, so forth and so on" claims.
make up your minds. you can draw a perfect sawtooth in Zebra, but if you check close, no single sawtooth on a MS-20 or SH 101, or whatever, will look like that on a oscilloscope, and I'd like to see how one can get artifacts out of Zebra since it's actually hard to do so - only with very extreme settings that would be as far from a psy bass patch as humanely possible anyways. and being that there's so many filters in there, that you have very flexible envelopes and even multi stage ones, plus you can draw your own waveforms in a number of forms, you can get tons of different sounding usable patches from it that no one in the world would tell comes from there in a blind test - and yep, I'm willing to bet money on it!
would also like to see another instrument + transient master sounding like VB-1, just so we could spend the rest of the day laughing here. or even, Ace's LFO vs regular OSC, guess what, OSC is aliasing free, while LFO isn't, because it covers the full range and allows you to do mad stuff, but can see the point of being able to select the phase and (!!!) on such a frequency it's not a problem, not for ACE, not for ES-1, 'cause it only becomes apparent in higher frequencies...
what strikes me as being obvious here, and the reason I'm going full length on this thread is that a lot of it is based on mythology and placebo effects, to the extent that maybe even shiny graphics makes things sound better for some. |
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NEBULOsity
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Posted : Mar 5, 2014 17:37
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UnderTow
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Posted : Mar 5, 2014 17:42
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On 2014-03-05 15:48, frisbeehead wrote:
Same way it's funny to see people claiming some instrument is old and dusty and then using crazy chains that will fuck up the signal anyways - so there goes all the purity of signal. |
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What it so important about the purity of the signal? If something sounds better, it is better.
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Posted : Mar 5, 2014 18:01
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On 2014-03-04 15:33, PoM wrote:
massive i like it too, it can do the job to me , after it s taste..i find it decent personaly and you?
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I can get interesting bass sounds out of it. Here is a little example: http://puretone.nl/files/Massive%20Example.wav
Not the typical short pulses and with assorted percussion and processing because that is the way it was written and tweaked.
Thanks everyone for the Diva OSC re-trigger tips.
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 5, 2014 19:41
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its not really needed but it can give good result worth trying if you didn t ,in massive the loop setting in the envelops to create a short flat stage after the attack, before the decay stage..or stuff like that...minimoog envelops does something similar and one reason these are punchy, you can also control the curve in the loop with the fade selectring one very exponential curve and one linear for example. also bypassing the amp envelop and control the volume with the stepper with curves..some stuff worth trying..it can give good result but it s not really needed..
i will check and post a patch with these things set up, not sure it s clear..specially the curve fade..but it s a trick that cna be used to get more control over the envelop curves in massive |
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