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Upavas
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Posted : Mar 3, 2014 02:05
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Zebra version is definitely better, not only better harmonics but also better transient, that said, I find the release on both bass lines a bit long, with a shorter bass note you could get so much more groove feeling out of this... and it's already groovy as far as the other elements are concerned... rest sounds awesome btw.!
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 3, 2014 03:25
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On 2014-03-03 00:16, Xsze wrote:
Funny, I find one with VB-1 actually better, flowing nicely, more urge and energy 
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VB-1 sounds edgy and has a lot of annoying highs, but it's possible to have more presence (that's basicly what I meant) and still keep the dark tone, and it kind of adds definition to it, if you can perceive the contour of the sound better. but as I said, I like how it blends with the Kick and the bass tone underneath your mix. and I like it more so then Zebra's on this aspect. |
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 3, 2014 10:21
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i didnt check but i really don t like zebra saw ,sure with eq process you will end up with a good sound..but the source quality is mehhh
diva and ace are much better at psybass imo |
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NEBULOsity
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Posted : Mar 3, 2014 10:42
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UnderTow
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Posted : Mar 3, 2014 13:21
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On 2014-03-03 10:21, PoM wrote:
i didnt check but i really don t like zebra saw ,sure with eq process you will end up with a good sound..but the source quality is mehhh
diva and ace are much better at psybass imo
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I've never tried Ace. That could be interesting. I have tried getting something I like out of Diva but didn't get very far. Which Oscillator type do you use in Diva for bass? And is there a way to re-trigger the oscillator on each new note? (In my experience, free running oscillators are not stable enough for 16th note bass lines).
Thanks.
PS: I don't really want to hear much of the oscillator in a bass line. Just the low end bass with a nice tight transient attack at the front. That might explain why Zebra is working for me but not for you.
Does anyone use Massive for bass lines?
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Suloo
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Posted : Mar 3, 2014 14:07
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On 2014-03-03 13:21, UnderTow wrote:
Which Oscillator type do you use in Diva for bass? And is there a way to re-trigger the oscillator on each new note? (In my experience, free running oscillators are not stable enough for 16th note bass lines).
Thanks.
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B-recluse
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Posted : Mar 3, 2014 14:39
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ok vb1 is good ,but time as going there are good bassline vst , i used vb1 when i had cubase , i never really couln'd master it .well i can't blame the plugin , but you have a feeling with it or you don't i think , sylenth 1 and zebra , DUNE and the tal noize maker ( nice for fat progressive-psytrance )do a great job !,next month i will get cubase 7 , hopefully vb1 can be used on it ? and try it again to master it , well i believe if you know your synths , you can make with every good vst a good bassline ! and some are sound fatter then you could think , i believe don,t stick by one plug in |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 3, 2014 17:14
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On 2014-03-03 14:39, B-recluse wrote:
ok vb1 is good ,but time as going there are good bassline vst , i used vb1 when i had cubase , i never really couln'd master it .well i can't blame the plugin , but you have a feeling with it or you don't i think , sylenth 1 and zebra , DUNE and the tal noize maker ( nice for fat progressive-psytrance )do a great job !,next month i will get cubase 7 , hopefully vb1 can be used on it ? and try it again to master it , well i believe if you know your synths , you can make with every good vst a good bassline ! and some are sound fatter then you could think , i believe don,t stick by one plug in
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you can get it from free from steinberg, it's a legacy plug-in now. as long as your host supports vst, you're good to go!
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 3, 2014 20:40
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welcome to my schizophrenic other half identity to psytreye,,, very rude isnt he lol
about the thread...... so what do we know
this is defiantly something....
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On 2014-03-01 10:20, Upavas wrote:
Someone once said in this very forum that Trilian pisses over VB-1 in a wide arc... 
did someone say vb1 is avalable to all DAWS... im guna have to have ago..and convince myself that it isnt worth a wank
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Upavas
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Posted : Mar 4, 2014 04:50
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On 2014-03-03 20:40, jizy wrote:
welcome to my schizophrenic other half identity to psytreye,,, very rude isnt he lol
about the thread...... so what do we know
this is defiantly something....
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On 2014-03-01 10:20, Upavas wrote:
Someone once said in this very forum that Trilian pisses over VB-1 in a wide arc...
did someone say vb1 is avalable to all DAWS... im guna have to have ago..and convince myself that it isnt worth a wank
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Yeah, he did... did you try jerking off to Trilian on a hitech bassline yet? 
Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
http://timecode.bandcamp.com
http://upavas.com
http://soundcloud.com/upavas-1/ |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 4, 2014 06:45
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there's a couple of good bass sounds one can get out of vb-1, then there's the rest of the palete. that's how I think of it, you don't have to choose, it either clicks or it doesn't, but whatever suits the task or works for you...
but with this in mind, we also have to aknowledge the fact that it's worked for a lot of people and still does to this day. it's just that being less editable then even most simple synthesizers, there's only so much you can do with it - altough this is actually larger scope then most would care to admit.
Trillian has a lot of useful raw waves, and the interface makes you think like that: you can work with a SH-101 sawtooth, or one from the Mini Moog. Part of the work is done (as in resampling), and being a rompler it also restarts the phase. But you wouldn't go far without the envelopes, filter movement, etc, on top of that raw sound. The thing about VB-1 is that you need to be able to listen for where it sounds different to the most common sawtooth oscillator and build from there. Think that's why many people find it easy to use and useful, while others complain, presumably focusing to much on lack of options/flexibility on this thing.
But synthesis has a lot to do with the raw material you start with. Someone said "low fi", think this impression comes from the high frequency content of it, being to harsh, but this actually can be useful, precisely because it allows you to work with your EQ in ways that if you manage to cut where there's enough to cut through the mix and give the sound definition and clarity, but not so much as to be dark and hollow (yeah...); if you manage to find the right spot (synthesis always seems to be about these spots to) it's got its thing and it's a good thing. I like the VB-1 bass line on big fancy sound systems and doesn't seem to sound lo-fi at all. Only to the extent a pure square wave that sounds plastic and hollow on its own is enough to claim all pulse based sounds sound like a cheap Casio keyboard.
Hope that no one is thinking about this like: better machines sound better, period. That's an argument that would leave a lot of classic sounds away from the radar, TB 303 being the most (in)famous example. To some extent, most people should really worry about their sculpture skills rather then cursing the marble. Rant over |
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ansolas
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Posted : Mar 4, 2014 13:43
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NEBULOsity
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Posted : Mar 4, 2014 14:01
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Hi ansolas,
It sounds pretty nice can you share some secrets how do you process sound from VB-1? I read that some people use maximizer on it and then distortion and EQ.
I try to scult some nice basses from VB-1 but I am not pleased with my results 
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 4, 2014 15:33
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On 2014-03-03 10:21, PoM wrote:
i didnt check but i really don t like zebra saw ,sure with eq process you will end up with a good sound..but the source quality is mehhh
diva and ace are much better at psybass imo
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I've never tried Ace. That could be interesting. I have tried getting something I like out of Diva but didn't get very far. Which Oscillator type do you use in Diva for bass? And is there a way to re-trigger the oscillator on each new note? (In my experience, free running oscillators are not stable enough for 16th note bass lines).
Thanks.
PS: I don't really want to hear much of the oscillator in a bass line. Just the low end bass with a nice tight transient attack at the front. That might explain why Zebra is working for me but not for you.
Does anyone use Massive for bass lines?
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ace you need to turn a lfo as osc, it let you use the retriger and tweak the phase starting point.
osc is cleaner i think than zebra, less "digital artifacts" or annoying thing you want to eq out.
in diva you can also retriger the phase..i would need to check patch to see wich part gave me fav bass, from memory i think moog filter ,osc and envelops moog or roland but not sure
massive i like it too, it can do the job to me , after it s taste..i find it decent personaly and you? |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 4, 2014 16:12
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On 2014-03-03 10:21, PoM wrote:
i didnt check but i really don t like zebra saw ,sure with eq process you will end up with a good sound..but the source quality is mehhh
diva and ace are much better at psybass imo
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I've never tried Ace. That could be interesting. I have tried getting something I like out of Diva but didn't get very far. Which Oscillator type do you use in Diva for bass? And is there a way to re-trigger the oscillator on each new note? (In my experience, free running oscillators are not stable enough for 16th note bass lines).
Thanks.
PS: I don't really want to hear much of the oscillator in a bass line. Just the low end bass with a nice tight transient attack at the front. That might explain why Zebra is working for me but not for you.
Does anyone use Massive for bass lines?
UnderTow
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ace you need to turn a lfo as osc, it let you use the retriger and tweak the phase starting point.
osc is cleaner i think than zebra, less "digital artifacts" or annoying thing you want to eq out.
in diva you can also retriger the phase..i would need to check patch to see wich part gave me fav bass, from memory i think moog filter ,osc and envelops moog or roland but not sure
massive i like it too, it can do the job to me , after it s taste..i find it decent personaly and you?
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interesting m8! will try to use the lfo as osc on a bass patch and see how it turns up. have used it a couple of times, but with the regular osc.
have you tried Bazzile? also from u-he, now on beta stage, you can grab it from the KVR forum for testing. think you'll like it! |
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