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Hypereal
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Posted : Mar 6, 2014 05:40
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Uber mega bassy and muffled,no mids and no highs.Your headphones lie to you. |
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Suloo
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Posted : Mar 6, 2014 07:41
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On 2014-03-06 05:40, Hypereal wrote:
Uber mega bassy and muffled,no mids and no highs.Your headphones lie to you.
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+1
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UnderTow
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Posted : Mar 6, 2014 11:36
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On 2014-03-05 22:57, frisbeehead wrote:
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On 2014-03-03 00:36, UnderTow wrote:
Interesting. There is a certain tension indeed. I think it might be because it is out of tune.  (
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let's analyse it then, with a tuner
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No need. It isn't actually out of tune. It just sounds out of tune to me due to the relation of the harmonics to the fundamental. Typical with anything that has squarish waves.
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 6, 2014 11:56
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On 2014-03-05 22:49, frisbeehead wrote:
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On 2014-03-03 10:21, PoM wrote:
i didnt check but i really don t like zebra saw ,sure with eq process you will end up with a good sound..but the source quality is mehhh
diva and ace are much better at psybass imo
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let's be serious, starting:
which sawtooth wave would that be?
http://www.sendspace.com/file/fjf38d
'cause it can go from a perfect one to almost
anything you can imagine... conclusion?
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alll...these are not clean and full sounding like a good analog saw, not clean come from artifacts, inharmonic content..or dunno.. but there is some shit my ears don t like in there  diva and ace are much cleaner but still have something a bit not right to me but at this point it s more about taste. i used a lot zebra and it never been a top choice for baslsine to me it s the overall sound caractere of the synth maybe ,even if it can do the trick like almost any synth with processing.... raw wihtout any processing ace and diva always win in my shoutouts ,need less work, sound better, less trouble.. , i like more the sound of massive too ,but it s maybe how i program the patchs on zebra dunno
maybe try ace and diva? would be itnrested to know if you think like me |
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Diagnosed Hippie
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Posted : Mar 6, 2014 12:23
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maybe try ace and diva? would be itnrested to know if you think like me
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Maybe u can upload an example of these two? would really like too hear them |
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 6, 2014 12:28
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maybe we could do a topic , with the same kick and midi file and we compare raw bassline wihtout any processing , would be intrested to see if we like all the same or different ones..
have no time fto set up this for now tough..but could be nice
a topic like this would end 50% of bassline discussion and give good example of what we can get with many synth.. i did it already many time when comparing my synth..with processing different synths can sound very similar in the end..so raw is better to compare |
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Diagnosed Hippie
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Posted : Mar 6, 2014 13:42
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On 2014-03-06 12:28, PoM wrote:
maybe we could do a topic , with the same kick and midi file and we compare raw bassline wihtout any processing , would be intrested to see if we like all the same or different ones..
have no time fto set up this for now tough..but could be nice
a topic like this would end 50% of bassline discussion and give good example of what we can get with many synth.. i did it already many time when comparing my synth..with processing different synths can sound very similar in the end..so raw is better to compare
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Yeah sounds like a great idea, i'll start a topic later and post some examples to start with |
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Suloo
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Posted : Mar 6, 2014 15:00
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now with the new distortion modul in zebra making bass patches is good fun imo..before i didn`t like zebra for such basses as well..
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Soundmagus
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Posted : Mar 6, 2014 15:08
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 6, 2014 16:49
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On 2014-03-06 05:40, Hypereal wrote:
Uber mega bassy and muffled,no mids and no highs.Your headphones lie to you.
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indeed
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 6, 2014 18:13
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vb1 , l1 or L2 , maxbass , Q10 and maybe a C1 or ren comp there..back at isra full on of 10 years ago, enjoyed more logic synth personaly now these sound a bit dated tough..with a update the osc ect could have less artifacts..and it would be dope again |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 6, 2014 18:24
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On 2014-03-06 12:28, PoM wrote:
maybe we could do a topic , with the same kick and midi file and we compare raw bassline wihtout any processing , would be intrested to see if we like all the same or different ones..
have no time fto set up this for now tough..but could be nice
a topic like this would end 50% of bassline discussion and give good example of what we can get with many synth.. i did it already many time when comparing my synth..with processing different synths can sound very similar in the end..so raw is better to compare
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yep, this would be interesting. I'm up for it. |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 6, 2014 18:46
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yeah, but what I meant about Zebra is that it's not presumably down to the waveforms themselves, but rather how the envelopes react, interaction of these with the filters...
about Logic's instruments, they'll reach a point where some updates are needed yes, but ESX24 is the one I think needs a review/update the most. the others can still provide you with "that" sound, and of course there's the compatibility issue, we wouldn't want our old projects not to open or sound different.
but still think ES-2 is a very nice sounding instrument, despite the somewhat old looking interface, not exactly a bad one in terms of functionality, but started to feel a little small for larger screens and that's why they've allowed people to scale them in Logic X. being that they represent older plug-in technology, you know before hand that the oscillators in there are far from sounding like Diva's or most recent DSP stuff. to me, the biggest difference in recent times has been the zero delay feedback filters, that's like a huge leap forwards in terms of sound and accomplishing what VA stands for in the first place, at the expense of the CPU. this older stuff, like VB-1, ES-1, ES-M, etc, maybe sounds good to us because we've grown used to that sound, it's become infused with what we expect the Psy Bass to sound like, in a way. Most of what I've been saying here, is that despite this looking like old software plug-ins, some would say (and probably rightly so) they're used a lot because it was what people had in the first place; but nowadays it's some sort of legacy as well. so is Albino, a real shame it's not supported anymore, because it's made more history - I'd say - then some stuff you get to see on Vintage Synth's web site for sure. People tend to underestimate plug-ins and digital equipment, because the analogue vs digital war is a hot one - and of course it creates revenues, just look at the semantics used, right? Doesn't mean this stuff is of a lesser quality then the rest, or that just because some higher form of DSP is applied elsewhere, it renders these useless - that's the main point.
It doesn't, our overall quality has more to do with the mix then this little differences in the raw material, sometimes a worse signal - as in, distorted in the purest meaning of the word - adds something to it, those little nuances rock in audio; then there's the cpu factor. psy bass patch, imo, and one that can profit for some little imperfections even - and many times do. I think the developers aren't even aware that some of this stuff is praised a lot in this sub genre (we're not exactly main stream, right? except for some... ) and continue to develop their tools in ways that bring forth more quality, no doubt, but many times renders them useless for our uses. One good example of that is Cronox, everyone loved the second version for psy bass, not the third (maybe not the 4th either, never ever touched it even, don't know). Check the envelopes on that thing, they're fiddly, a little touch, almost surgical makes a big difference, not exactly nice to work with, but once you get your settings right, it sounds good - if you like that sound that is.
p.s. let's get those tests running. would be cool if we stick to no mythology, just some informative and fun thing that's actually reliable info for everyone here. happy to see wasn't misinterpreted this time, btw. cheers |
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PsyTriYe
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Posted : Mar 7, 2014 23:18
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So much for not getting what i wanted knocz... next time just ya mouth and let people ask questions....
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 7, 2014 23:36
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On 2014-03-07 23:18, PsyTriYe wrote:
So much for not getting what i wanted knocz... next time just ya mouth and let people ask questions....
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