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V/A- SET 8 "Electronic Ballroom" - Iboga rec. feb. 08
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Posted : Mar 10, 2008 19:00
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The problem here is that people judge with a standard that doesnt fit the artist purpose in his work.
Is like judging with a psytrance parameter a pop band...
As Banel says good music is good music, we can say we dont like the style, but not beacuse of this the music is bad also.
In the case of this compilation its clear that the intention from iboga is to explore other style, so we must judge it that way, not with pure prog trance parameter.
I like the compilation in general but I think its not brilliant, an average product.
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amphiton
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Posted : Mar 11, 2008 01:00
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I totally agree that artists need to evolve, releasing same stuff over and over again is the way to an end.
From artist's their point of view they are evolving. From my point of view they are repeating and using elements that have been there before, but not in psytrance. Mnml and electro are trendy. House has been there for years.
I love eclectic music, fusion of styles, but psyhouse/electro isn't eclectic in any way. This isn't evolution, you're not moving forward in terms of music. Psyprog is making steps on the same place, while he's not aware, electro and house are eating him.
On the other hand that's the way music evolves. I'm fully aware that there will be less and less progressive psytrance in the form we used to love. Probably the last one was Sun Control Species and thanks for releasing it 
Also, thank you for your engagement in this discussion. Thats only what I think, didn't want to offend anyone.
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Posted : Mar 11, 2008 02:05
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I agree that psyprog is being eaten by prog house style.
I really miss stuff like son kite or old ticon, vibrasphere, jaia, and the like.
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Posted : Mar 11, 2008 06:45
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I also find this discussion interesting
So lets see if I can contribute my opinion here..
Terminology of "Psy" is very much personal, as I claimed many times before.. In my opinion, Holden and Bodzin ( and there are many more but lets not mention them all ) are psychedelic ( in many of their works ) as much and for me, much more than most of "psy" of today. I find myself fascinated by this sound, so I find it completely normal to be influenced and try to use the ideas that those artists presented to me in my music in a fresh way..
Ofcourse the originals are hard to beat, and those that claim, that the music that is presented by leading techno artists nowadays might be higher quality than mine - alas, I am learning, and strive to get better and expand my tools and quality of my productions ( I speak for myself here, but I believe that many artists that are bashed very often lately feel that way ).
Of course I understand the "die hard" fans of the psy prog genre that may feel some artists are "betraying" their culture - but in the long run I think that this way of thinking is a little "short term". Give us a chance to develop, as you did to psy prog.. I must send all of you guys to the first compilations of psy prog that appeared @ the end of the ninetees and beginning of 2000 - most of the tracks there were totally "green" and lacked the production and in many cases also the ideas were not ripe enough compared to music that came 1 or 2 years later ( please spare me from the example of Atmos and Ticon first albums - there were many more that didn't live the test of time ).
So lets wait and see and make the final judgement in 1 year from now - would you go for it?.. It demands some patience.. Do you have it?
And back to the Iboga bashing - this is one compilation CD.. Iboga released this year heaps of high quality psy progressive trance in albums and compilations alike - why can't they release a different style compilation now and then?.. And how come it always comes up as the end of the world?...
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Posted : Mar 11, 2008 11:47
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I don't know wtf is all the fuss about... I love this compilation...trippyyy |
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amphiton
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Posted : Mar 11, 2008 14:14
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On 2008-03-11 06:45, Yuli wrote:
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Ofcourse the originals are hard to beat, and those that claim, that the music that is presented by leading techno artists nowadays might be higher quality than mine - alas, I am learning, and strive to get better and expand my tools and quality of my productions ( I speak for myself here, but I believe that many artists that are bashed very often lately feel that way ).
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That kind of sums it up. And it's Yuli's words! I imagine what less experienced artists would say, but I know what they produce.
Learning = Change was good, but not really my cup of tea. I hope the evolution reaches the next plateau asap :)
Good luck!
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Posted : Mar 11, 2008 14:27
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On 2008-03-11 11:47, Mad_Scientist wrote:
I don't know wtf is all the fuss about... I love this compilation...trippyyy
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so true...as much as i listen to this CD i must say that is great.
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constantin sankathi
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Posted : Mar 11, 2008 21:07
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the problem is:
who is playing that or - who wants iboga to play that?
i am not really into UK prog sound - maybe they like it.
but i can definitely say that NONE of the big techhouse, house or whatever DJs would play that stuff.
CARL CRAIG?
VILLALOBOS?
MANDY?
BOOKA SHADE?
i was in ROBERT JOHNSON club (germany, ffm) last saturday.
an amazing set by DIXON and AMÉ.
they played lots of trancy and prog influenced tracks - but in a totaly other league as this iboga stuff.
they would laugh about that state of the art...
so my question:
who else is playing that except the DJs on a prog floor on a GOA party, because they do not know different tunes because they are only ordering at psyshop?
its the same problem as TICON maybe:
they are trying to break new audiences - but with PSYSHOP as the main distributor?
how should that happen?
btw the summer collection of iboga was much better - i really enjoyed some tracks... |
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Posted : Mar 11, 2008 21:16
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Well someone plays it i suppose...
Nyquist track is placed around 30 on beatport progressive house chart.. You can't get there if no one buys your track.. the progressive house chart on beatport is probably the biggest one out of all the genres there at the moment, so to get to number 30 in one week or less is not that bad ( to get into the 100 is pretty good actually )
But what is your problem really? One of the reasons that many techno DJs might not play this stuff is because for them it is still trance.. But some open minded ones will play, I am sure. This is only the beginning..
I guess patience is not your strongest virtue
PS: Summer Collection this year was all about Psy Progressive trance, and this one is different style... Of course if you like the other one maybe this one is not your cup of tea.. But Iboga releases compilations not only for you.... 
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constantin sankathi
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Posted : Mar 11, 2008 21:31
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why you will not understand me?
or maybe i will not understand you?
its not about patience.
its not the problem that people still think its trance.
the problem is not about open minds.
this tracks are everything else than "open minded".
this tracks are the complete opposite.
in a certain way totally old fashioned.
the quality for people into house / techno / techhouse is definitely too low.
there are on the other side a few "psy" producers who know the deal.
tracks by EVEN 11 are much better btw.
IBOGA rulez but this compilation and this kind of effort to become a house label failed.
word.
sorry.
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Yuli
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Posted : Mar 11, 2008 21:50
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On 2008-03-11 21:31, constantin sankathi wrote:
why you will not understand me?
or maybe i will not understand you?
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Possibly both are correct
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its not about patience.
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And I say it is... Rome hasn't been built in one day.. First Iboga releases 10 years ago also didn't attract thousands of fans, and the full on heads were slagging the label.
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its not the problem that people still think its trance.
the problem is not about open minds.
this tracks are everything else than "open minded".
this tracks are the complete opposite.
in a certain way totally old fashioned.
the quality for people into house / techno / techhouse is definitely too low.
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I can only comment on my personal experience.. The A Balter remix to BLT ( which is me so no one can say I am hiding this fact away or something of that kind ) exists for almost a year now. I play techno sets, and played 2007 / 8 in Israel and abroad with pretty awesome "names". So this track I been playing almost everytime in my sets, along with Bodzin, Huntemann, Dubfire and heaps of others and I don't know if you believe me, but it OWNZ It works every single time, it has very good sound ( ofcourse if you compare it one to one to the biggest stars of the techno scene you will find that it's "smaller" ) but as I said, it takes time, and this is only the beginning.
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there are on the other side a few "psy" producers who know the deal.
tracks by EVEN 11 are much better btw.
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That is ( you forgot to mention ) YOUR OWN OPINION - maybe there are some people that don't agree to your taste?...
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IBOGA rulez but this compilation and this kind of effort to become a house label failed.
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hehe you have two mistakes my presumptious friend:
1. I don't think Iboga tries to become a house label ( not according to 1.5 releases that they have in this direction )
2. Fortunately for us, what will decide upon failure or success is the market demand and sales of CDs / Digital EP's, and not your position on the subject.
Nothing to sorry about, all is great actually
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Posted : Mar 11, 2008 22:21
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Well I guess it's difficult to describe all those things..First of all I am writting with no offence to anyone,it's just my opinion.I don't expect to listen again stuff similar with the old Iboga and I don't want it at all.I want to listen music with the similar quality,I don't care what kind of music is!As I said in a previous post all the producers want to evolve their music with new sounds and I am full supporter of this idea,but the results are not the best.As a music listener I am very strictly with the music that I want to listen..Some others are just happy and satisfied with the medium..I need the best!I don't think that djs from other kind of music..techno,tech house from example are not able to play this stuff because they don't know it but because the quality isn't on their standards..Many djs from other genres playing music from Son Kite,Boshke Beats records,Sven Vath and Pascal Feos have played Metalogic,Fuzzion etc tracks on their sets..Minilogue and Extrawelt projects became big in techno/minimal scene from their first releases,Laurent Garnier played X-dream,Robert Rabicz played Bigwigs,even a Midi Miliz track picked up from James Holden for a mixed compilation.All those names coming from psy scene as Iboga's artists but they have support from other genres and that's the point:They evolved their sound with RESULTS
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Posted : Mar 11, 2008 22:39
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thanks Tasos.
could not have said it better. |
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Posted : Mar 11, 2008 22:59
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On 2008-03-11 22:21, Tasos_NOtrea wrote:
Well I guess it's difficult to describe all those things..First of all I am writting with no offence to anyone,it's just my opinion.I don't expect to listen again stuff similar with the old Iboga and I don't want it at all.I want to listen music with the similar quality,I don't care what kind of music is!As I said in a previous post all the producers want to evolve their music with new sounds and I am full supporter of this idea,but the results are not the best.As a music listener I am very strictly with the music that I want to listen..Some others are just happy and satisfied with the medium..I need the best!I don't think that djs from other kind of music..techno,tech house from example are not able to play this stuff because they don't know it but because the quality isn't on their standards..Many djs from other genres playing music from Son Kite,Boshke Beats records,Sven Vath and Pascal Feos have played Metalogic,Fuzzion etc tracks on their sets..Minilogue and Extrawelt projects became big in techno/minimal scene from their first releases,Laurent Garnier played X-dream,Robert Rabicz played Bigwigs,even a Midi Miliz track picked up from James Holden for a mixed compilation.All those names coming from psy scene as Iboga's artists but they have support from other genres and that's the point:They evolved their sound with RESULTS
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+10
But for while in the case of ticon I think they loose the direction at all, Minilogue and extrawelt went all the way in to other genre, ticon are tryng to do two genres and thats why the album isnt that consistent.
I think the best aproach for this artist is to create alternate project, as Marcus and Seb, to experiment other genres and if they dont wanna keep doing old trance stop using their olda name.
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Posted : Mar 12, 2008 11:38
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better is playing "pure" psy stuff and mix it with the "better" tracks from other genres.
i would never play any track from this compi, but i love to mix for example SETHERIAN "the shining" together with METRO AREA "Erodyne" or (to go back to good iboga stuff) EMOK "Da Shizzy" together with AME "Rej"
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