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The Problem With Psytrance (warning, it's a long post)
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astralseeker
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Posted : Apr 8, 2007 22:49
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A big N1 for Pete that simply posts the best topic on this forum since I came in here.
Unfortunately I am french (no one is perfect !  and my english is not as good, precise and acurate as I would like it to be to express myself here about all that (easier when being english, canadian, american etc..)
I was in this scene from 93 to 96/97 so I left before things "really turned" worse
(according to lot of sayings around)
Goa trance is part of the world and this world is going in a certain direction.... draining everything with it included this scene ...
On the other hand in my first accounter with this scene in the early 93's I thought that this particular style of music was about to have a huge impact on this planet ... U-topia are not only stupid dreaming ideas for lost punks there are most of all the bases of every major changes in society ...
There is always the possibility of organising parties the "old way" with litle entrances and no publicity , few flyers going to the right persons and location info really hard to get , kind of returning to semi-private events with a hard work on selecting who is gonna come there and with whom...
There is also still hope that bit by bit more and more souls will grow and reach a certain point of consciousness that will allow more and more parties to "get the right vibe"
(I only go to 1 or 2 parties a year since 97 so I am not the right person to judge the nowadays parties, but I know the music.... )
There is still some high quality music ( swimming in a dirty sea of pointless productions)
There are still some interesting & positive people ( melting in an ocean of lost souls )
There are still some amazing vibrations
(flying in a sky of destructive and toxic frequencies)
and a few paradise locations left on earth
(surrounded with pollution and ecologically destroyed spots)
...so it is just about getting all them together in the same space/time location
light & love
christophe
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papay
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Posted : Apr 10, 2007 13:05
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big thumps up for peter i couldn t have said it better agreed 100% best post in the history of this forum.moust of the stuff coming out have no fucking soul just same boring 4x4 sound with no evolution in sight.........but like one wiseman once said co-caine killed our goatrance
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Pete Sideburner
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Posted : Apr 10, 2007 13:54
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On 2007-03-31 20:49, aog406 wrote:
{People around 30 and older - like myself - may be getting just a little bit bored with partying... but that's another topic }
The main problem is that younger people are getting - to put it mildly - brain-washed by the increasingly aggressive consumerist/pop media.
[...to shorten the post, I'll skip the details of my reasoning...]
The result is that people are forgetting what "beauty of music" is about.
For them the key is just THE FACT that they are dancing to some loud bass - preferably, with samples from MTV songs or with guitar insertions... Hands waving, screams, etc...
And many DJs, seeing this, play still more MTV/guitar tracks.
And the crowd, hearing this, thinks that THIS IT HOW IT SHOULD BE - and screams even more...
Etc., etc...
Vicious circle, man...
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I couldn't agree more. But how can you tell them without sounding precociously!?
Btw, I think that is a problem not only in psytrance but in many scenes that had emerged the 90ies. When I go to Drum'N'Bass- oder Techno- or Electro-Parties, then I see the same problem with repetitiveness and modesty of the masses as within psytrance. Fuckin' consumerism...
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sonictransportsystem
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Posted : Apr 12, 2007 16:06
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i agree with everything Pete said...but more important that people putting trance in a comercial side, like when i saw Astrix outdoors in the middle of Lisbon announcing his live act, its the use and abuse of DRUGS almost by teenagers that have his brains still growing...
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mukti777
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Posted : Apr 12, 2007 22:20
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The peices of the Utopian pie are deffinatley scarce...'be the change you want to see' is the only motto to live by here. Magick is still afoot...keep the faith!
"Any act, if in accordance with the Will, is an act of Magick."
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oboulys
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Posted : Apr 13, 2007 15:36
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Hehe.
This isnt really funny,
but its funny.
You know?
Man, ive really stopped reading this posts,
only come here for the music-creation forum,
but this touched me inside. Because of what you
said about feeling like you were in the same shit as always at a party.
I have to share this, cause ive felt it so strong man.
I have listened to goa since maybe 95-96, but since i was a kid i never went to no party. We only played in our houses (which is really in the forest where i live),
ate mushrooms, drank alcohol and went some kind of crazy. It was the mystery of this music, yea. I didnt know what kind of people who were "goa" or "psy," but things got pretty hippie anyway.
then i went away on an trip-le-ego to listen to black metal, hiphop, hardcore techno and various other things for some years, but always popping back to goa and psy on various occations.
So the funny thing is, i went to sonica in 2005, and man shiiit, i felt so silly its incredible. First, at the day, it was the "everybody is wearing the same outfit" feeling, with the fluoro-line of clothes, very designer, and the glam girls and hehe, all that. they all looked kind of like teletubbies, same stuff, different color. (But that is funny you know, no worries, there are also the nice dirty ones, so dont get me wrong).
Then at night there was the crazy circus, like out of the fear & loathing movie, only with more drugs. Haha, i actually felt quite uncomfortable with not being on drugs it was incredible...like, "ketamina, mmm, we snort it yeaaa, sniff sniff."
and id trie my little "hey, can you feel it man, we are really here, god is one, shit, its incredible!"
"ah. eh. shure, bom shanketamina, mm, ketamina, we snort it, yea. you want a spliff?"
"does it have cocaine in it?
"yes."
and these other people go like:
"want some mdma?"
"no, only do lsd"
"ah, shiiiet."
"why?"
"man, arent you afraid you`ll freak out?"
yes.
so that was so strange, but there of course are many nice people, and it changed my life in many ways, (yet what is change, and what is to keep on its pace, eh?:)
and then there was the music, who was so very produced, like the copy+paste kind of produced, man, the newest tracks i had were from some destination goa compilations, and also i had the infected mushroom - bp empire on my computer, and all the usual old stuff. plus shpongle (which saved my life that festival, thanks simon...ehe...kind of...lost it...found it...whatever:)
so then i was really looking forward to the infected mushroom to play, of course...and the guy is singing,
and he drags out the guitar...and...pop out the lighters-ish feeling here(only it was chillums, hehe), and man this is a pop concert! bom shanghai and pass that chorus.
i was terrified, literally.
But as i say, the ways of nature is to evolve towards destruction and rebirth, so this psy trance movement is no exception. kali-juga it seems to be, so it should not be needed with goa trance to have spiritual experience and awakening.
allthough it is good music still, there are good festivals with good music i think (i wont even say, cause of the wrong people might see this and bring the hommega-collective, hehe, but some look very promising...also if you can dig some of this undaaahground stuff its quite good music, only a bit confusing, but that is ego-dissolvement you know...hard to get into, but man...its still good music (derango etc)). so there is good music when the mind rests on love and the one, not on the moitas and drugitas and visualitas and fluoro-trenditas) and much of it is highly dancable still.
so whatever, there are good stuff still, and if you happen to get into a situation where you really feel the knockels of consatanism in your ass, the more shitty it becomes, the more one should use that shittyness to see the beauty and light beyond. note that heavy pulsing and scratching of the ego to rule the land...muhahahahaaaa...and the radiating I that explains the reach for love, and the desperation of the ego in doing this at these parties.
it is only there to make you come out, man. if spirituality is your main goal i mean.
cant cling to anything, but the spirit is still there. inside you like always.
i dont even remember where i started with this, so only peace and love and walk with the light inside ourselves always.
oh yes, one can only make people love through love i think, so be love.
be love. yes. we are cliche children of mother-fucking-earth flower power peace love unity respeeect. so what. cliches are only that way because they used to be the good stuff, and still are, only we call the cliches now.
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oboulys
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Posted : Apr 13, 2007 15:42
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if there is any confucion:
yes i do enjoy more parties and still continue after sonica to go to different parties
the only utopish way is to have ones own parties, or smaller ones, yes. so come to norway if you want one of those. here its still very very undaaground. |
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Pt.
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Posted : Apr 24, 2007 14:10
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Chemicals made the music take a new turn or direction if you'd like.
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shamanizer
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Posted : Apr 24, 2007 19:23
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On 2007-04-24 14:10, spytooned psytones wrote:
Chemicals made the music take a new turn or direction if you'd like.
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No no no, it was the people... Its always the people... |
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Pt.
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Posted : Apr 24, 2007 21:14
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On 2007-04-24 19:23, shamanizer wrote:
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On 2007-04-24 14:10, spytooned psytones wrote:
Chemicals made the music take a new turn or direction if you'd like.
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No no no, it was the people... Its always the people...
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hehehe jes jes. it is true. but you cant have chemical fun without people. 
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Kemic-Al
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Posted : Jun 17, 2007 12:57
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On 2007-03-31 23:48, Soul Kontakt wrote:
so if you people love this scen you should give us a chance and have a listen to our music, i have to advertise this project everywere because it's difficult to make yourself known when you come from a small island like us....
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BULLFUCKINGSHIT ... I come from the same small island like you do !
good music get passed around !
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kriz
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Posted : Jun 23, 2007 21:24
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Well I agree with alot of what Pete here says. But... As you say the scene is changing, now you can select what you want.. If you go to the biggest festivals, it will be more commercial and alot of different people..(not psy, more "goa hooligan", etc, people not used to festivals etc).
If you go to smaller festivals, and you can even choose what style of music you like (dark, prog whaterver) and you will meet so many good people!! Even mixed with proggi and dark/psy. I even see old school sets being played!!
oboulys: Sonica is a commercial festival, you should have checked the line up before going And about the drugs ? Its like that on all festivals, just get used to it
3o~ kriz aka krize 3o~ ....Horrordelic Records.... http://www.horrordelic.com
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Riton
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Posted : Jun 23, 2007 23:25
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On 2007-03-24 03:03, ori_k wrote:
ok i know this will sound a bit stupid to you
maybe immature
but fuck it cuz i'm really tired hehe
the way i see it:
say we divide the psytrance lovers to 2 groups
the shit consumers u mentioned(x)
and the oldscholl idealists(y)
well i've never been to goa
neither have i been a part of this scene since the 90's
but i still feel a deep connection to the origin.
P.L.U.R to the fullest meaning!
and guess what? i'm not the only non-veteran that feels this way.
so lets say at the beggining there were only y types,
time passed and the x-y ratio became like 100:1
still
more and more y types are exposed to this scene every day-partially due to the increase in x types!
and this scene still manages to provide an ideal firmware to their lifestyle & ideals
be it a new truly psychedelic album
or a small 200 ppl gathering at some forest.
so yeah i'm y type all the way man,
but it is very likely that hadn't the psytrance scene grown to a point where so many ppl are exposed to it. . . . . . .
i still believe in psytrance.
i still enjoy the few bits of GOLD in this huuuge pile of SHIT
peace
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wow for some reason taht made SO much sense to me... yeah anyway i started as an x, then changed into a y! And it was the best thing that ever happened to me!
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panorama
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Posted : Jun 29, 2007 12:16
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wow, that's quite a post - and there is alot of truth to it. Fact is though, everything changes, all the time.
Way before dance music, I was a rock musician, and I sat and watched as the scene I loved changed and evolved into something I didn't much care for anymore. And those that came before me would agree even more. The rock scene of the 60's and 70's was not about $$$ and A&R... But Then I discovered psytrance.. That was in 1996, so I guess late by some standards, but I have seen many changes. I guess if you want to have an event with the feeling that YOU want to have at that party, it's important you book the right dj's, promote to the right crowd and keep it the size you are comfortable with. Of course you are always gonna get some yobbos at events...that even was happining back when I first started going to parties 11 years ago, but if there are enough good vibe people there- then yobs will feel very alienated and quite unwelcome. Also, ya gotta remember...for many people this may be their first or second time at a psytrance event..perhaps they need a bit of guidence as how to behave at such parties... in order to survive, we need new people at events... people grow into a scene eventually.
Now- in no way am I disagreeing with the points you make, But I do think that it is our individual reponsibilites to perhaps let people that are acting stupid KNOW that maybe they are somewhat out of line. If everyone of us at parties that really wanna keep the scene alive offer just a bit of guidence to "goa yobs" then perhaps you might find a return to the wierd, strange, fun, fucked-up, twisted normalicy we all know and love
Trance is the answer
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Nomad Moon
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Posted : Jun 29, 2007 13:36
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Now- in no way am I disagreeing with the points you make, But I do think that it is our individual reponsibilites to perhaps let people that are acting stupid KNOW that maybe they are somewhat out of line. If everyone of us at parties that really wanna keep the scene alive offer just a bit of guidence to "goa yobs" then perhaps you might find a return to the wierd, strange, fun, fucked-up, twisted normalicy we all know and love
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I'm not disagreing but sometines it's like tellin an Hell's Angel not to drink beer and u end up thinkin "why do i even bother":p
As for the original post i'm in total agreeiment.
Those continuous breaks and tricks just don't let u enter the sound , an amazing experience happened to me last BooM Fest, after six wonderfull days , allready a bit tyred , Pena finished his set ,wich was kinda disappoiting imo,Andromeda started their act , and slowly started building up the minds and bodies of 20000 people to a single point in a 1 hour set, where suddenly u looked around and 20000 hands where in the air not because we wanted but because we where led into it,an amazing experience,at the time i didn't really knew them and now i'm what u can call a fan  .
This is think it's what we should be talkin about , the abillity and power an artist in this scene has to take u to good places.
as the man said , this is probably those thirtysomething talkin 
Take Care
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