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The Problem With Psytrance (warning, it's a long post)

traveller
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Posted : Jul 22, 2007 15:10
Or maybe there is no problem           "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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Posted : Jul 22, 2007 19:16
pete sideburner
i totally agree with u man as da scene is just left for people who do not hav the true vibe of the music n just come 4 d factor....
          IT T@KES TIME N DEEPER SELF-RE@L!Z@T!ON TO FEEL IT ..... N WHN IT H@PPENS , U KNW TH@T U H@V FIN@LLY ST@RTED!!!!!!!!!!
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traveller
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Posted : Jul 22, 2007 22:23
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On 2007-07-22 19:16, djmokshter wrote:

i totally agree with u man as da scene is just left for people who do not hav the true vibe of the music n just come 4 d factor....





I take a trend follower any day over some judgmental elitist asshole.


Edit. d factor as in drug factor? Anyways those too
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Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Jul 23, 2007 11:34
Yes i also think that now the scene has gone over the other side because there is no reference music for which the artist can get inspired and understand the state of trance induced by the music. but by time it will all change for sure! People change music change and we all move on...

          Boom :)

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Posted : Jul 23, 2007 19:15
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On 2007-04-08 22:49, astralseeker wrote:
A big N1 for Pete that simply posts the best topic on this forum since I came in here.

Unfortunately I am french (no one is perfect ! and my english is not as good, precise and acurate as I would like it to be to express myself here about all that (easier when being english, canadian, american etc..)

I was in this scene from 93 to 96/97 so I left before things "really turned" worse
(according to lot of sayings around)

Goa trance is part of the world and this world is going in a certain direction.... draining everything with it included this scene ...

On the other hand in my first accounter with this scene in the early 93's I thought that this particular style of music was about to have a huge impact on this planet ... U-topia are not only stupid dreaming ideas for lost punks there are most of all the bases of every major changes in society ...

There is always the possibility of organising parties the "old way" with litle entrances and no publicity , few flyers going to the right persons and location info really hard to get , kind of returning to semi-private events with a hard work on selecting who is gonna come there and with whom...

There is also still hope that bit by bit more and more souls will grow and reach a certain point of consciousness that will allow more and more parties to "get the right vibe"
(I only go to 1 or 2 parties a year since 97 so I am not the right person to judge the nowadays parties, but I know the music.... )

There is still some high quality music ( swimming in a dirty sea of pointless productions)

There are still some interesting & positive people ( melting in an ocean of lost souls )

There are still some amazing vibrations
(flying in a sky of destructive and toxic frequencies)

and a few paradise locations left on earth
(surrounded with pollution and ecologically destroyed spots)


...so it is just about getting all them together in the same space/time location




well said man..... hits the right spot in ur mind........ now i get the point why sadhus a lot...
Stregone
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Posted : Jul 24, 2007 10:19
Nice nice topic......

But the fact is, we are here speaking in a forum, a bunch of freaks making theorys or points on the situation of the goa movement...

outside thousands of people makes music, go to partys, take drugs, etc etc


What can we do to bring back some consciousness to the mass? To give back some of that spirituality, good feeling, energy, quality and selfconsciousness that was characteristic of the old time and that is getting more and more rare at the nowadays party?
Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Jul 24, 2007 21:43
The only thing we can do is either make great music with new ideas and sounds or else promote new beautiful music all around the world!

          Boom :)

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Stregone
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Posted : Jul 25, 2007 07:20
Yes Soul Kontakt and also stopping doing shameless self promotion every three thread answer....

We understood you r doing new great fucking melodic psychedelic music with high production and new ideas and sound.....


But is not about your music we are speaking here.....




-.-
Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Jul 25, 2007 16:54
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On 2007-07-25 07:20, Stregone wrote:
Yes Soul Kontakt and also stopping doing shameless self promotion every three thread answer....

We understood you r doing new great fucking melodic psychedelic music with high production and new ideas and sound.....


But is not about your music we are speaking here.....




-.-




Sorry man i was speaking in fact about Trance music of today not being of the same level as for example the chillout of today full of colours and psychedelic serious sounds...I was not in anyway promoting our project! and anyway why so harsh man! Relax dude it's just a forum!

          Boom :)

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daark
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Posted : Jul 25, 2007 17:10
the problem is music started separating people!It got devided to too many genres and there is lesser and lesser respect towards the people because of there differences of musical taste.The idea of it all is basicly the same but it is a war now who is more psychedelic and good.It is an endless arguement just let the music play and the people dance:)...There is no need in critisising every single kick just dance with the people and have great time:).

peace

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Posted : Jul 26, 2007 20:39
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On 2007-03-22 23:30, Pete Sideburner wrote:

And in the quest of success most labels are just greedy of popping out the “newest”, “freshest” – well, or whatever that means – so that for most labels the recency became more important than the quality. If I read the descriptions from psyshop, which I guess do all come from the releasing labels, it is mostly brainless, proposterous hokum. It usually sounds like a sleazy washing powder commercial, just that the target group isn’t middle-class houswives but some slightly bemused fringe group that chose to live a tightrope between drug madness, drug addiction, keeping it somehow alltogether and believing that this lifestyle would really have some spiritual potential to it.



Ultimately the write ups for the cd shouldn't really matter anyways. If a label wants to express a release makeing it seem like the tool needed to be closer to god then so be it. The only thing that should truly matter is whether or not you like the music.

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Well, most Goa music nowadays is for malnourished, anemic wanna-be Terence McKennas who masquerade their addiction to drugs and their lust for transient, meaningless fun with a bunch of colorful, weird clothes, kitschy accessoirs and a mostly verbally spiritual correct habit, that often comes off a little overblown and out of place.



Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. Once again it doesn't matter. If you don't like it, then don't buy it. Don't support the artist(s) & labels if you feel this strongly about it. If you don't provide for them, then eventually they won't provide for you. I have said many times before that this scene will benefit greatly if it were to switch to strictly digital downloads. The fluff gets weeded out some, and you are left with a greater propensity of finding "higher quality" releases.....all of that is subjective of course.


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But the truth is: The majority of Goa fraggles are basically just big consumers. Consumers of new “killah releases”, heavy consumers of drugs, of course, consumers of laser shows, consumers of dancefloors and, most of all, consumers of an old and long vanished idea of a better life as a hippie. Even the conversation often seems like some kind of conspicuous consumption, as the topics often seem very much to go around in circels (drugs, high dosed drug-experiences, which is my favourite drug, myths about safer use of drugs, the most apprecciated artist that is about to play next night and is by no means to be missed, and, of course, boom shanka, mind & soul, just be yourself and all that pseudo spiritual load of crap).



Okay, you stated your opinion and some fact, but what really is your point? We are all consumers in some facets of our lives. The only thing you can control is whether or not you bring something to offer to the parties and the "scene". Do you dj, do you throw parties, do you try to relay knowledge at the parties you go to? What do yuo contribute?


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And that is the problem: On the one side, you have those, who want to make a shit-load of money, or to get appreciated by the masses, and on the other hand, you have those, who want to have some brainless, absent-minded weekend-fun. So you have Skazi, Domestic, Infected Mushroom and all that Goa-Rave-Pop-Trance-musical-warfare-against-good-taste-shit behind and on the stage and all those dimwits screaming like it is some kind of a Tokyo Hotel concert at the dancefloor in front of it.



You have all the aforementioned groups to thank for this. At the sametime you have the emergence of the large festivals, that you find so prevalent in the eastern world, to thank for the large influx of people whom you feel don't belong at the parties. Personally I struggle with this as well, but who am I to say who can and can't come out and enjoy these events. If people want to come out and get trashed while listening to music they like, then so be it. They have the right to be there. The being trashed part is just another personal choice that you may or may not agree with. Ultimately the point is to go out and have fun; you have your way, they have theirs.


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Don’t get me wrong, there is still lots of good freaky music out there, but the market forces in psy aren’t different from those at the New York stock exchange, so you just don’t get to hear it on parties - or at least very rarely. You rather hear that mass produced CCC-Trance (crappy, childish and cheesy) for the masses, which is, from a musical point-of-view, simply a catastrophe and an embarresment for the whole scene.



The comment would be so different depending on what part of the world you are in. The US is very diverse in the psy-trance that you see represented from region to region, state to state, city to city, and crew to crew. There's a lot of different tastes and vibes that you find over here. But we don't have the mass marketed festivals every month that you find on a weekly basis in your part of the world. You live in a mainstream enviroment, we are still living in the underground for the most part.

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So, who’s with me? Who wants that difference back that it once used to make? How are we gonna get it? Where? I don’t want to ditch or snub anyone here. These are just my personal observations after dawdling away 11 years in psytrance wonderland. I really miss the un-normality that I thought the term psychedelic always referred to: That simple, basic and sometimes very hard “be-it”. No attitude, no fashion, no style, no raving madness, no narcism. Just let the woofs hittin’ your vulnerable brain cells and getting yourself brutally kicked out of reality into reality simply by the music, which is impossible with all that stopstarts, snare roles, siren sounds and that one special consistently emerging melody, that tries so hard to be utterly euphoric but just manages to be as poetic as the emotional and spiritual profundity of a barbie doll.



If yuo really feel this strongly then I suggest that you get some people together and start throwing your own parties the way that you want to have them play out. I think you are partially holding onto something that is long dead and gone in your neck of the woods. Goa is dead, psy-trance is what's hear. The music and the people will change overtime - you just don't agree with the change and seem to have a hard time accepting it. It really sounds like you need to try and create an underground scene there again. Grow that scene from within. If you don't want your normal riff-raff than do targeted promotion that requires RSVP access to your events. YOu control the music, you control the crowd, and then hopefully you get the end result you are looking for.


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Maybe it’s just a fuckin’ awful decade we are living in. When some US-warmongers and their European poodles try to bring up World War 3, when religious and political conservatism is gaining more and more relevance in most of our societies and when our so called elites try their best in fulfilling Orson Welles’ and Aldous Huxley’s darkest prophecies, while those who would have got the potential to make some difference rave their nights and brains away with mind-crushing doses of MDMA and crappy kindergarten-guitar-riffs over some hectic, neurotically discontinuous basslines



You realize that you are making yourself sound like the same people you were bitching about in the first place. You are buying into ideologies and trying to use them to help prove your point. How is that any different that the people who proclaim their spirituality and how they choose to express it, as well as practice it?

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Or maybe I’m just getting old and turned into a severe cynic at the abyss of my thirties!?

Well, anyway, just some thoughts.

Cheers.




I really repsect that you took the time to put down all your thoughts, and I think you did a great job of expressing them. I hope that you gain more clarity with this dilemma as you read other's posts and ponder their thoughts. Have faith
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Posted : Aug 6, 2007 21:16
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On 2007-03-23 22:19, Pete Sideburner wrote:
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How are we gonna get it?


oh boi, that's the point i think. my answer'd be, we won't. we could wait until the next underground movement, or make it happen (or does it just happen?). meanwhile, let's live with the fact that it's gone for good, it *will never* return. find something else to do, work, internet, beer, do the same old stuff - accept it, it's gone for good.



Thanx for your answer. I guess you're right. My post was written with that knowledge and desperateness. But I believe, that we still can get it back as long as we recognize each other on the dancefloors and we don't get taken away by the ordinarity. Then, new things will emerge by themselves...

Cheers, Pete




After 11 years anything will become ordinary.

How to change it? Do something yourself. Throw your own party. Create your own style of underground psychedelic music to push the envelope again. I know its easier said then done but the "scene" as we like to call it is not the other people that annoy veterans like yourself at parties but its in you. Every scene gets to some point where geriatrics plays a part into the lifestyle and gets as old as you are. Where the the music all sounds the same and it just isnt underground anymore. You cant stop the masses you can only change yourself and what you YOU do. As much as i agree with your post because i've been doing this for 10 years now myself however I cant expect a sea of people to see it my way however I CAN change what i do. So basically im saying the scene is in you not anyone else. If you wish to save it then maybe try doing some underground intimate parties with djs that play what you would rather hear. Something in between the 3 C's and vacuum cleaners inside a clothes dryer. At some point you just gotta take matters into your own hands with no expectation level to really "LIVE" ya know?           Anomaly
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Posted : Aug 10, 2007 03:42
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After 11 years anything will become ordinary.




Been at this for 10 years, still NEVER ordinary. Shit, you mean it's gonna get ordinary next year?
hope not           Trance is the answer

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Posted : Aug 11, 2007 00:22
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On 2007-08-10 03:42, panorama wrote:
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After 11 years anything will become ordinary.




Been at this for 10 years, still NEVER ordinary. Shit, you mean it's gonna get ordinary next year?
hope not





lol! yeah you got 1 more year left man!! use it wisely, stomp your ass off, and gobble as many drugs as you can before you end up an old fart that complains too much!!

I should have said that after 11 years anything *can* become ordinary. People can get bored after a while with...anything really. Your life can change, your taste can change. It does happen eventually. Its relative but there are times where one needs something different to keep it interesting.           Anomaly
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Posted : Aug 11, 2007 01:55
The trick is, you got to realise that you're dreaming in the first place. You got to be able to recognise it. You got to be able to ask yourself: Hey man, is this a dream? dreammm dreamm dream


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