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The Problem With Psytrance (warning, it's a long post)

mk47
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Posted : Mar 24, 2007 08:06
, killer post Pete Sideburner ! ..yet another jaded trancer , welcome to the group , anyway , things are how they are , it only gets worse from here , so lets just try and have fun with what we got .

Justin Chaos
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Posted : Mar 24, 2007 09:46
Quote:

On 2007-03-24 08:06, mk47 wrote:
things are how they are , it only gets worse from here

Agreed

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so lets just try and have fun with what we got .


NEVER


To Peter that was the best post I've ever read around here and I agree with, pretty much, every word.

But...not ALL is lost, you can always find new pastures.

Myself...I completely, ignore psytrance mainstream...actually I avoid it like what it really is ...a f**king plague.(there are about 5 exceptions )

Still...there is some interesting people attending to this events and we aim to just show'em that there's another way.

          My fake plants died, because I did not pretend to water them.
Pete Sideburner


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Posted : Mar 24, 2007 22:22
Hello Again!

Remember South-African psychedelic king Howard Carpendale?

OK, seriously…

I hate Bulletin Boards, because it’s very hard to follow a serious discussion. I think they are more suitable with forums where people essentially just say: “Fuck yea, you’re right, big balls, boom boom” and such. I’d prefer the classical hierachical tree structure. But, well, that’s just a brad hint to the isratrance-guys for their otherwise really great work!

So, before I post a hundred posts, I’ll try to answer all of you in just one post.

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First, Aida Noridania:

Thanx again for your reply. I see, that we basically are on the same wavelength. Your approach to music, parties and such seems to be right from my view. Are you really from Belgium? Cos’ I am really from Germany. If you ever do a party, just let me know via mail! It’s not that far…

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yup you will have that flow, i have to agree, but believe me that the people you most likely wish to meet will get on it it might just take a bit longer then it did before... sometimes people wish to get back to the roots, but that needs time...
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I agree, I think a big problem is, that “younger” guys (“younger” – the age doesn’t matter - I really don’t wanna sound as precociously as I know I do ) just don’t seem to know that *real* music. It doesn’t matter if it’s old or new as long as it is psychedelic. And they don’t really know it, because psy-business just won’t let them. You have Hom-Mega, Phonokol and many other mainstream labels that are mainly pushing the scene with commercialized crap psy. That’s what I meant with “business and hedonism”. Because the people who did not have the chance to earn the adequate competence in media yet (music is a medium), just take what they get fed with – and they haven’t earned that competence because this takes some time and experience. But you have to give that time and experience to them. That’s why psytrance became so ordinary and boring and musically really awkward, which is what hurts me most, as it was the music, that took me to it. Not the drugs, not the parties. It was the music. Discovered as “indish techno” an some tapes from a friend. But it really hit me, though I was a true hater of 4/4-beats at that time...

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so it's not that substances are the "holy key" far from it as even a lot of the experience depends on "how your mood is when you begin the ride"
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Well, I really did have great insights to myself and life itself with drugs. I would never say, drugs are *not* spritual (everything is or, better, can be). I just wanna say that taking drugs is by itself no way anything spiritual. If all, it’s fun and very fuckin’ dangerous. Especially in time of prohibition without quality control and all that misinformation around. But I guess we both agree on that.

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OK, next one: doughcherry

Quote:

I think trance music is inbetween two evolutionary stages: on the way to become mainstream, but not quite yet there.

Ultimately, it will be people like us who will get sick of soul-less parties and start a new sub-culture in psytrance, with the purpose of bringing back the spark of originality that made us fall in love with psy in the first place.



I totally agree. I don’t even think that it has to be under the label of psytrance, but I’m sure that a new subculture will emerge, parallel of psytrance becoming mainstream. Let’s work on it. Real psychedelic, of course!

*******
And another one: ori_k

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the shit consumers u mentioned(x)
and the oldscholl idealists(y)



Well, I wouldn’t consider myself an oldschool idealist. I mean, I am an total idealist, not only regarding to psytrance. I guess that’s just my fate. But new music can be as good as old (and much is even better). It’s the feeling that has vanished in real-existing psy as the true meaning of communism vanished out of real-existing communism in just one coup d'état.

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i still enjoy the few bits of GOLD in this huuuge pile of SHIT



I couldn’t agree more.
If you’ll ever gonna be in Hamburg, Germany, then come to “Scratch Records”, the best record shop in town. There is a sign hanging behind that clerk’s desk saying: “It’s not our fault that 99% of house music is shit.” It’s from an house label from London. Well, I guess, you could say the same about psy, can’t you!?

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They don’t stop coming: Basilisk

THANK YOU!! Very much for that answer. I couldn’t agree more. I try my best with stating my personal view and my individual experience. That’s what my post was all about, actually. The thing why I might sound a little frustrated is, that I find it harder and harder to *make* my individual experience on psyparties. OK, I admit, in the last 5 years, I’ve been studying in Southern Germany, a place where you don’t have much trance (and Switzerland ist to expensive to frequent often), so the only parties I got to were huge events, like Samothraki, Voov and such. But even if I go on small things around here or at my beautiful hometown Hamburg, with just a hundred people present, the music still is shit: Either dark, which can be ok but is to stubborn for me, or meaningless mainstream shit-fuck or meaningless proggy, that sounds like some kinda manicure-commercial but not like a psyparty.
But what comforts me: Whenever I get onto one of that rare occasions where I can DJ for the people, I see the people always being astonished but dancing and enjoying. So it could work!

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And, last but not least: Justin Chaos

Quote:

Still...there is some interesting people attending to this events and we aim to just show'em that there's another way.



That’s for sure!! Otherwise I wouldn’t have posted here.

I know we can do better. It’s just that the struggle of the genuine forces against the shallow ones hast elevated from psytrance against the rest, into psytrance itself. It’s nothing unusual as that struggle is something very deeply human. I think we all fight that struggle with in ourselves.

Did it sound lofty? Well, hell, yea, but psychedelic experiences are, in a way, fuckin’ lofty, aren’t they?

Well, as always, thanx for your answers, they really gave me some of my lost believe back.

So, cheers!!

          I love humanity but I hate people.
hassasin


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Posted : Mar 25, 2007 20:16
Hi people. Respect to all.

My Thoughts ( Just plain volatile )

Firstly, I'd like to congratulate Pete and everyone else for initiating an interesting discussion such as this.I'm not trying to contest anyone's thought but just felt like contributing. Technically, i'm a newbie according to the Big old Psy Guys who've been there, done that. But for some unknown reason, when i listen to some beautiful melodies, i feel my connection with this movement and the journey i embark upon is really ageless. It would be appropriate to mention that i do not endorse any form of stimulants ( even alcohol for that matter ), but i feel this crazy connect with my ownself with the help of some fabulously crafted music. To me, it's ALL about just yourself. There is noone around to spoil your party, your mood, your deepest and true meaning you attach with music, no party poopers, no bad vibes because they just don't exist. So there is no Original Movement Vs New-crap-commercial Scene for me. In fact i would go to extent of saying that such music and parties are just 'our-way' of approaching the eternal quest of mankind 'Oneness'.
So Nature is music and I am confident that we will feel the same connect at one point of time in life rather than under the influence of dependants/stimulants. Am is Eternal, Om is transitory.
** This was not meant to be a discourse, but just a genuine voice. Keep the Quest on!
headyatail2000
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Posted : Mar 25, 2007 22:38
Quote:

On 2007-03-22 23:30, Pete Sideburner wrote:

If I read the descriptions from psyshop, which I guess do all come from the releasing labels, it is mostly brainless, proposterous hokum.


ahhh i said the same thing once..!!
every review has a "must for dance floor" mentioned..!!

          <~< "the best things in life aren't things" - art buchwald >~>
full_on
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Posted : Mar 26, 2007 01:30
One of the best posts I read recently. Also some nice replies.

IMO the biggest problem is that our music is being affected, because it's the music that glues us together. And the more commercial the music at parties becomes the lower the quality of the crowd.

Unfortunately most party organizers and even labels seek to support easily digestible music. Also, specially in my country (Brazil), very few DJs have personality to play real original or psychedelic stuff... Most of them prefer to rely on effective dance floor tracks, which result in the same boring tracks being played party after party...

My only suggestion is that we stay true to our feelings, and keep doing what we believe.
Respect!           .
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...Dance like nobody's watching...
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Posted : Mar 26, 2007 05:42
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Thanx again for your reply. I see, that we basically are on the same wavelength. Your approach to music, parties and such seems to be right from my view. Are you really from Belgium? Cos’ I am really from Germany. If you ever do a party, just let me know via mail! It’s not that far…



yuppers From Ghent and i will do so

perhaps we could meet in Maastricht in May? would be cool

and yep i think we are on a same wavelength here just that the mean of communication is a bit too sturdy

these are types of convo's i mainly do IRL with people... it's harder to get that all typed out in just a few reply's...           no situation is stronger then a heart that dares to love
so may the force of life light and love be with you
NextWorld
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Posted : Mar 27, 2007 14:32
Hey my friend Pete, nice to see you around here

I do absolutley agree with your post above.
Sometimes i do ask myself what it was that made me become a part of this Scene (as i came to this scene quite late, after the downfall had begun), because there is hardly anything left that i can connect to anymore. Its the few exceptional people, like you, that i meet every now and then, when i can pull myself together and attend a party, the few people from that scene that i can relate to. And its the few exceptional releases that still keep my musical focus on the psychedelic side of things.

Hope to see you at your birthday
Christoph
PKS
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Posted : Mar 27, 2007 17:21
To the author of the topic... Thanks for expressing exactly how I feel about the scene these days too... I have followed this scene from 1995, and what you write here really reflects my though about it too...

so, THANK YOU for putting it into words!           CHILL TRIBE
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dhaturaaaa
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Posted : Mar 27, 2007 18:23
we cannot bring back the past , it is gone! but we have the future , to be optimistic , and true to yourself,"you be the change",like sheep , they follow each other , so the elders have the responsibilty to lead the way, it does not matter what the others are doing , it should not matter , lead the way , the rest will follow,choose well!
mouka
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Posted : Mar 27, 2007 21:09
It is time to go "back" to small parties, kind of resetting the scene I guess. Everything just became too big, too many festivals while the scene did not grow equivalently. So there you have the "goa-hooligans" (really love this word!) coming to the parties. But I think it has started to grow like that when the parties became festivals and the festivals wanted to be bigger & bigger & bigger. So this was allready starting to happen 6 to 8 years ago.
But don't worry, just organzie your own parties again & enjoy the psychedelic culture. This is how it actually all started.
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headyatail2000
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Posted : Mar 28, 2007 02:57
goa hooligansss..hahaha
hmmm i think i saw some of 'em at a party here(dubai)..
screaming,shouting...!
loud!
pfff!           <~< "the best things in life aren't things" - art buchwald >~>
aog406
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Posted : Mar 31, 2007 20:48
Quote:

On 2007-03-22 23:30, Pete Sideburner wrote:
I think the psy scene is in kinda trouble since a few years.
................
...............
Or maybe I’m just getting old and turned into a severe cynic at the abyss of my thirties!?

Well, anyway, just some thoughts.

Cheers.





{People around 30 and older - like myself - may be getting a bit bored with partying... but that's another topic }

The main problem is that younger people are getting - to put it mildly - brain-washed by the increasingly aggressive consumerist/pop media.

[...I'll skip the details of my reasoning...]
The result is that people are forgetting what "beauty of music" is about.
For them the key is just THE FACT that they are dancing to some loud bass - preferably, with samples from MTV songs or with guitar insertions... Screams, hands waving, etc...
And many DJs, seing this, play still more MTV/guitar tracks.
And the crowd, hearing this, thinks that THIS IT HOW IT SHOULD BE - and screams even more...

Vicious circle, man...

aog406
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Posted : Mar 31, 2007 20:49
Quote:

On 2007-03-22 23:30, Pete Sideburner wrote:
I think the psy scene is in kinda trouble since a few years.
................
...............
Or maybe I’m just getting old and turned into a severe cynic at the abyss of my thirties!?

Well, anyway, just some thoughts.

Cheers.





{People around 30 and older - like myself - may be getting just a little bit bored with partying... but that's another topic }

The main problem is that younger people are getting - to put it mildly - brain-washed by the increasingly aggressive consumerist/pop media.

[...to shorten the post, I'll skip the details of my reasoning...]

The result is that people are forgetting what "beauty of music" is about.
For them the key is just THE FACT that they are dancing to some loud bass - preferably, with samples from MTV songs or with guitar insertions... Hands waving, screams, etc...

And many DJs, seeing this, play still more MTV/guitar tracks.

And the crowd, hearing this, thinks that THIS IT HOW IT SHOULD BE - and screams even more...

Etc., etc...

Vicious circle, man...

Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Mar 31, 2007 23:48
Asolutely great post this is what i want to say also were is the real psyhcedelic music? That's what we work to achieve but it's hard to create something new now it's becoming easier so if you people love this scen you should give us a chance and have a listen to our music, i have to advertise this project everywere because it's difficult to make yourself known when you come from a small island like us....

here's the link to some of our music:-\
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=438956

Ectoplasm is the latest...
          Boom :)

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