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The Muzik or the Drug....!!!
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Posted : Oct 10, 2006 18:21
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PS. Every emotion you got in your brain is a drug stimulate. Love, fear ... It's all connected, even the music. Only thing is that psychedelic substances tunes in to a whole other frequency which can yet not be fully understood or explained. Like a scientest said, you just got to try it to understad. Drugs are bad. Then stop living. |
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Filzbiber
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Posted : Oct 10, 2006 18:33
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On 2006-10-10 18:21, psytones wrote:
PS. Every emotion you got in your brain is a drug stimulate. Love, fear |
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Could you explain that a little bit more accurately? Cause this information is completely new to me. If you're talking about endorphines and the other messengers in human brain, I would not go that far and call them drugs....
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Posted : Oct 10, 2006 18:38
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Oh, oh oh. You busted me there. I know the answer to please your mind, but I'm unsure at the moment and not so good with the technical details in words. But the answer is similer to your second line, quote: If you're talking about endorphines and the other messengers in human brain, I would not go that far and call them drugs....
Sorry for not eleberating, but I dont know how right here, right now. ^^
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Pythagoraz
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Posted : Oct 10, 2006 18:40
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Filzbiber, What is your point excactly?
Is it that black Tea and LSD are equally dangerous? -that you think Drugs are good for the music scene -or maybe you don't have any point at all?
I have trouble seeing anything related to the initial subject of this thread in what you write. -It seems like you just wan't to prove that your technical knowledge about drugs are supperior to ours?.
-i'm sure you know what he meant with this threads headline question since you obviously are not stupid.
Please correct me if/when you conclude that I am wrong. 
And about your LSD etc. discussion:
As I see it YOU can't really tell me or anyone else if drugs are dangerous since that is a relative question.
I might be of the oppinion that anything which changes ones perception of the world is dangerous because it gives one an invalid/Utopian/"Unreal", base from which decisions are taken.
-Or that the "I can fly" LSD syndrome really is fysically dangerous just in an indirect way.
You could (and probably would) say that (most) drugs are only dangerous if you don't know how to use them, but that really is beside the point since we are not discussing "WHY and WHEN they are dangerous" but in fact "IF they are dangerous"
accept that all is relative and write thereafter. that should keep the discussion from ending up in a mass fight bla bla dirt tossing way.
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Posted : Oct 10, 2006 18:53
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I just tot tat with a psychedelic substance like LSD in your brain, you will hear and see the music in a whole other fashion/way/dimension. I tot that a psychedelic trance composer should originally produce the music so that it would fit the mood of the "drug". Hell, Euro-dance in the 90's was built and produced with X in mind (So all, or most music goes hand in hand with drugs, bold statement, yes). Pop works fine on booze and coke. Your perception of psychedelic music will change completely while listening to it on Shroom, LSD ... THIS is the simple reason of why psychedelics and psy-trance (should) go hand in hand. You see, they are lovers. hogga bogga
To be a psychedelic music producer comes many responsibilities, think about it, your responsible for someone’s trip. If people stop making this music with "trips" in mind, we can all say good night and good bye to psychedelic trance because it will stop serving it’s funny purpose. But this is my subjective opinion. I see this music not just as music, but something much more. A way of life, a toy to your trip. See my flip?
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Pythagoraz
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Posted : Oct 10, 2006 18:58
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On 2006-10-10 18:53, psytones wrote:
I just tot tat with a psychedelic substance like LSD in your brain, you will hear and see the music in a whole other fashion/way/dimension. I tot that a psychedelic trance composer should originally produce the music so that it would fit the mood of the "drug". Hell, Euro-dance in the 90's was built and produced with X in mind (So all, or most music goes hand in hand with drugs, bold statement, yes). Pop works fine on booze and coke. Your perception of psychedelic music will change completely while listening to it on Shroom, LSD ... THIS is the simple reason of why psychedelics and psy-trance (should) go hand in hand. You see, they are lovers. hogga bogga
To be a psychedelic music producer comes many responsibilities, think about it, your responsible for someone’s trip. If people stop making this music with "trips" in mind, we can all say good night and good bye to psychedelic trance because it will stop serving it’s funny purpose. But this is my subjective opinion. I see this music not just as music, but something much more. A way of life, a toy to your trip. See my flip?
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well if that is true then you shouldn't like my stuff coz I am doing excactly what you say Composers shouldn't do -and I always will.
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Posted : Oct 10, 2006 19:04
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And which style do you produce at the moment Mister Pyth? Modern psy-trance Aka. Regular trance of the 21 century?
May God have mercy on your soul 
Don't worry, I know where to find music to please my mind.
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On 2006-10-10 18:58, Pythagoraz Denmark
-and I always will.
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Oh, I have faith in you and the future. Soon, you'll be a shitty trip bag like the rest of us. God damn drug addicts |
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What are the effects of heavy use?
Research has shown some changes in the mental functions of heavy users of LSD, but they are not present in all cases. Heavy users sometimes develop signs of organic brain damage, such as impaired memory and attention span, mental confusion, and difficulty with abstract thinking. These signs may be strong or they may be subtle. It is not yet known whether such mental changes are permanent or if they disappear when LSD use is stopped.
(copied from here:http://www.well.com/user/woa/fshallu.htm)
now ,if this is not "fried brain",then i am humbly sorry and do not speak again about it,i will leave it to others who know
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Filzbiber
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Posted : Oct 10, 2006 19:17
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On 2006-10-10 18:40, Pythagoraz Denmark wrote:
Filzbiber, What is your point excactly? |
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That people always put the blame on anything else (here to some substances) when they (or someone else) did a fuckup.
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On 2006-10-10 18:40, Pythagoraz Denmark wrote:
Is it that black Tea and LSD are equally dangerous? -that you think Drugs are good for the music scene -or maybe you don't have any point at all? |
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It is that the diversity of drugs plus the possibilities of their use and abuse are so gigantic that you can't tell in general "drugs are bad" or "drugs are good".
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On 2006-10-10 18:40, Pythagoraz Denmark wrote:
I have trouble seeing anything related to the initial subject of this thread in what you write. |
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Yeah, the topic is pretty hijacked, but it already was hijacked for ages when I entered the discussion.
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On 2006-10-10 18:40, Pythagoraz Denmark wrote:
-It seems like you just wan't to prove that your technical knowledge about drugs are supperior to ours?. |
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Nope, I just don't want any malinformation to be spread.
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On 2006-10-10 18:40, Pythagoraz Denmark wrote:
i'm sure you know what he meant with this threads headline question since you obviously are not stupid. |
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Yep, but I have to admit I only read it now :-D
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On 2006-10-10 18:40, Pythagoraz Denmark wrote:
And about your LSD etc. discussion:
As I see it YOU can't really tell me or anyone else if drugs are dangerous since that is a relative question. |
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Life is dangerous. It eventually ends in death.
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On 2006-10-10 18:40, Pythagoraz Denmark wrote:
I might be of the oppinion that anything which changes ones perception of the world is dangerous because it gives one an invalid/Utopian/"Unreal", base from which decisions are taken. |
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A new job may change your perception of the world. When you fall in love your perception of the world is changed. Is there the ultimate correct perception of the world???
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On 2006-10-10 18:40, Pythagoraz Denmark wrote:
-Or that the "I can fly" LSD syndrome really is fysically dangerous just in an indirect way. |
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Until now there is no documented such case. It was one of the horror-stories invented by the US-government to get LSD forbidden.
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On 2006-10-10 18:40, Pythagoraz Denmark wrote:
You could (and probably would) say that (most) drugs are only dangerous if you don't know how to use them, but that really is beside the point since we are not discussing "WHY and WHEN they are dangerous" but in fact "IF they are dangerous" |
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Crossing the street is dangerous.
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On 2006-10-10 18:40, Pythagoraz Denmark wrote:
accept that all is relative and write thereafter. that should keep the discussion from ending up in a mass fight bla bla dirt tossing way. |
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Actually I didn't want to write in this topic again. But when I saw the humbug posted by X-Rust I just had to raise my voice.
@threadstarter
If you don't want to take drugs, you don't have a choice but go to sleep when you get tired. (Red Bull is also a drug)
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Filzbiber
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Posted : Oct 10, 2006 19:23
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On 2006-10-10 19:05, X_RUST wrote:
What are the effects of heavy use?
Research has shown some changes in the mental functions of heavy users of LSD, but they are not present in all cases. Heavy users sometimes develop signs of organic brain damage, such as impaired memory and attention span, mental confusion, and difficulty with abstract thinking. These signs may be strong or they may be subtle. It is not yet known whether such mental changes are permanent or if they disappear when LSD use is stopped.
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Please.... this is what a user of a e-community wrote on his site. Please stick to scientific information.
And besides that, they are still not talking of fried brain. To get a brain fried you have to put in in pan or on fire.
The (mainly US-)government spread so many lies in the 60ies and 70ies to abandon LSD and most of'em are still present in 08/15-heads (although opposite is scientifically proven).
I know it will take a long time to heal the wounds of f#&%ing war on drugs. That's why I try to correct those many wrong "facts" that still exist.
NOW PLEAAAASE stop this discussion on drugs, cause I know I canot resist answering again if some moron has to claim same old lies that are being told for decades to justify war on drugs. I don't want to annoy anybody. If you want to inform/discuss about drugs, visit a drug-forum, but please shut-up inhere.
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Magox
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Posted : Oct 10, 2006 20:43
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just be responsable..........be conscience of hurting others and yourself before anyone does anything.........
i have found that moderation of "goody" usage has been the way of this SILLY SUN CONTROLLED QWACKER........
do what makes you happy.......as long as you dont hurt others.....
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Pythagoraz
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psytheriatsunami
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i think psytrance its specially linked with drugs...
and after you start insulting me let me xplain why.
Brains are formed by neurons wich form nerves and there only two known ways for neurons to comunicate using chemicals neurotranssmiters and electric impulses.
now i hate quoting, but i can say that many around this has being told already.
emotions is the really way that nature comunicates with us, emotions give sense to our lives, and motivates us to do what we do.
therefore i think all music not just psychedelic its linked with drugs because thats what music its about
emotions through auditive stimulation.
we are all doped, some inner drugs make us feel good like dopamine and serotonine, some make us feel fear some make us allucinate like nn-dmt.
but drugs that are strange to our bodies are a diferent story but very similar.
now i most say im a heavy drug user and i consider myself like this cause i do like psychedelics and try to experiment with most of substances and i agree with the most of you.
music is unrelated to exogenous drugs.
but not with drugs at all.
the diference for us drug users comes when you are freely to aproach at an altered state wich comes with many emotions, this can also can be kinda reached without exogenous drugs but the diference is still obvious cause exogenous drugs cause diferent efects unknown for the body and sometimes the effects of a drug(exogenous)are stimulant for body to produce drugs(endogenous)in an unatural way, IN MY OPINION i see this like learnin to use your body to get "high" as using the stairs and when using an exogenous drug is taking an elevator. (an elevator that isnt safe at all)
(so you most really know where this elevator its going to take you and what precautions most been taken)
in my expirience i had really triped without drugs, i also enjoyed more the real world once i knew what it feels to be apart of it.
And yes i also agree that drugs are dangerous mainly because an altered state of mind can take you so far from reality that you cant be aware of hazard to the body or dangerous behaviour.
im a psychedelic drugs suporter cause i think their more good than bad.
but i think we humans arent culturally ready for just legalize drugs.
drugs FROM MY POINT OF VIEW.
should be taken seriously like in extreme sports.
if you are not prepared, if you have not the will the responsibility and the knowledge then your just playinn dumb and later or soon, you will get harmed.
I began using illegal drugs before i get into psy trance and i have never being sober in a psyparty i seriously think theres no much diference for my because i have NEVER loose the whole contact with reality on a psyparty.
thats all.
PEACE YO ALL and dont get to tense about this topic i thing its good but it needs to be more positive.
PS. PSYTRANCE FOR IT SELF IS THE BEST OFALL THE HARMLESS DRUGS
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Posted : Oct 11, 2006 16:47
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"A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
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Pythagoraz
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Posted : Oct 11, 2006 18:48
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On 2006-10-11 16:47, jacob wrote:
"A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.
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Yes if you are thinking from a deep quantum fysics/mechanical point of view.
But then again, -if that is the case then we couldn't agree on, or even discuss, anything since nothing is in fact anything like we think it is, according to quantum Science... for instance -the universe is not devided or limited by/in time and space (as we know time and space) -all confusing and all Quantum fysics.
In other words that is kinda stupid and pointless in a discussion/information Forum.
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