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Fingax
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Posted : Feb 10, 2006 07:11
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On 2006-01-18 20:58, tdme wrote:
Hello 2 u all. I am a user of RME hammerfall multiface.
till now i had no need for a mic.
now i need a simple one for voip calls, msn etc.
My comp. is for my general use and my music mashine - so i ask if anyone can guide me how to connect a simple 10$ mic to my pro s.card, or if it is possible to have my pro s.card and the simple on board s.card active at the same time.
much thanks to all who try to answer me..
Guy.
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hello
i also use RME very nice sound card but it dosnt have pre amps and thats what you need to amplify the signal of the mic before he gets into the sound card. if you have a cheap mic go for a cheap mic pre amps like beheringer stuff but then you get the cheap quality.. 
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Freeflow
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Posted : Feb 10, 2006 19:03
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i have a question...
the Rme Multiface II has 24bit/96khz analog input/outputs
but i see most of the new soundcards today has 24bit/192khz
is it better to get a card that has this specs than to get a 24bit/96khz?
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texmex
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Posted : Feb 11, 2006 01:14
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New Era Scientist, they probably have 192khz because it is nowaday as cost effective to produce as 96khz. And it is a great selling point, 192 is bigger number than 96 
You really gain little from 192khz. You can't hear the difference even between 48 and 96khz. For processing the bigger khz is always better, but it also takes more cpu and harddisk. To make use of it you'd need to run VST's in 192khz which is 4 times more processing than with 48khz. Difference between 96 and 192 in terms of quality is probably insignificant. I wouldn't make my choices based on 192 khz.
I think the next logical step is to start using 32bit floating point AD/DA... Farewell to digital clipping, maybe? |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Feb 11, 2006 03:49
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On 2006-02-11 01:14, texmex wrote:
New Era Scientist, they probably have 192khz because it is nowaday as cost effective to produce as 96khz. And it is a great selling point, 192 is bigger number than 96
You really gain little from 192khz. You can't hear the difference even between 48 and 96khz. For processing the bigger khz is always better, but it also takes more cpu and harddisk. To make use of it you'd need to run VST's in 192khz which is 4 times more processing than with 48khz. Difference between 96 and 192 in terms of quality is probably insignificant. I wouldn't make my choices based on 192 khz.
I think the next logical step is to start using 32bit floating point AD/DA... Farewell to digital clipping, maybe?
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Thanka man
im pretty keen on the multiface II cause im thinking of travling some and i want to have a good soundcard with a laptop.. and i also want a good soundcard for my homestudio...
32bit floating point AD/DA would probably be great.. still sounds expensive 
i thought of also waiting till they release something new.. but i dont know, its so expensive in the begining of new soundcards... i need to start making music before i die...
again thanks for your input, just what i needed... |
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texmex
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Posted : Feb 11, 2006 15:16
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On 2006-02-11 03:49, New Era Scientist wrote:
Thanka man
im pretty keen on the multiface II cause im thinking of travling some and i want to have a good soundcard with a laptop.. and i also want a good soundcard for my homestudio...
32bit floating point AD/DA would probably be great.. still sounds expensive
i thought of also waiting till they release something new.. but i dont know, its so expensive in the begining of new soundcards... i need to start making music before i die...
again thanks for your input, just what i needed...
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Yeah, np.
I'd go for firewire device with plenty of inputs. If you're on budget, maybe something from M-Audio or Hercules.
http://www.thomann.de/thoiw3_artikel-174788.html
I haven't seen Hercules in action, but it sure seems pretty amazing for the price |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Feb 12, 2006 13:49
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texmex - that Hercules looks nice, lots of stuff for that price.
Im not on a strict budget, i got some money to spend on a good card....
but its a hard choice...
im not sure about firewire, got no experience with it, i read it has its downs and its not as fast as Pci.
i think my problem is that i dont really know what i want except for a few things... like many balanced analog inputs and outputs
and i know i will need to connect some mics, and i dont plan to use my little behringer Ub802 for recording cause i think its noisy...at least with many things hooked up to it.
but still i manage to record some decent stuff when using a gate on the recording channel to take away some noise...
i dont want to make a quick choice for something i plan to use for some years...
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texmex
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Posted : Feb 12, 2006 16:30
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yeah, but pci is dying, you know? Modern mobos don't have but 2-3 pci slots. And to be able to hook up it to a laptop you'd need a pcmcia card.
I have a phase88 firewire and no issues with it. I can easily record all 8 channels at the same time. It works with laptops as well.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Feb 13, 2006 20:35
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Thanks texmex, i didnt know... that was bad to hear, then maybe i should go for firewire..i have to investigate this.
hehe.... things dont get any easier i notice
ill look at some firewire cards... but then you recommend firewire 800?
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texmex
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Posted : Feb 13, 2006 22:09
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New Era Scientist, i guess it depends on the number of channels you need and if there is other devices like hard disks in the firewire chain. If you have fw soundcard and hard disk in same chain, you might get problems with the bandwidth. Of course fw 800 helps. But I have no experience of that...
But investigate as you said and share your knowledge with us |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Feb 14, 2006 19:28
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in two weeks i will have some time for investigation, i will harass my local music shop...
and tell you all what i came up with...
again thanks for your help texmex
now it got hungry on tacos... damn  |
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jivamukti
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 20:15
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DJ Wacko
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Posted : Feb 16, 2006 16:27
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I'm using M-Audio 410 Firewire!
I think, it's optimal!
She is beatuful, sound is powerfull....
But not expensive....
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psychoanalysis
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Posted : Feb 16, 2006 17:41
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boom to all !
well since the Hercules Mk2 is also four channel sound card, what is the best 5 channel sound card one can use with a notebook and the Logitech 5.1 to optimize sound through this mixer?
any help will be mucj appreciated
rgds and god bless,
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : Feb 21, 2006 17:10
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I just got a Presonus firebox & i have to say i'm really impressed..Installation was a breeze put in the CD copy files & you're ready to go..I have a pair of Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro headphones & i didn't really realise how good they were until i connected them to the Presonus..I have to say the headphone & mic pre-amps are amazing on this card for the price..Recommend it highly to anyone looking for a reasonably priced firewire soundcard..
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Schizomorph
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Posted : Feb 25, 2006 00:29
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There is no such thing as a perfect soundcard. There are perfect soundcards for specific uses though.
For example: if you play any instruments like guitar or percussion and want to record live sounds you will need something with pre-amps and if possible some kind of compression. On the other hand, if you work exclusivelly with synths and samplers you're better off with a DSP card card that will not put extra load on you CPU.
Another very important issue is how much money you want to spend on a soundcard. I fyou are happy with using VST you don't need to spend much money on you soundcard but you need a fast computer which has its cost too and will 'grow old' quickly.
The other thing is where you want to mix. If you are a hardware person and like to mix on your mixer you need a card with many I/Os and no pre-amps (since you can use the mixer for that). On the other hand, more and more people use software. If you mix in software, all you need is one stereo out for your monitors(as a minimum, you may need more if you want to use external FX).
I have spent just over 2k pounds for my setup including used equipment and I am quite happy because what i got was very usable and expandable. So here it is:
2*Creamware project
Creamware LUNA 8I/O AD/DA converter
1029a Genelec monitors
and an evolution MIDI controller
Sounds really simple but these cards are fully modular, everything goes averywhere! With the cards you get many synths including a modular similar to the Nord, also samplers, loads of FX and a some really good mixers. I have been using this system for 2 years and didn't have to spend anything else, My computer is really slow (1.3GHz) but I was still able to sequence, synthesise, route, mix(with EQ, comp and FX), and record 14 mono channels at the same time. It only used about 25% of my CPU! I'm not telling you this to boast my system but to show you the advantages of DSP cards.
All the above is just guidelines, I'm not saying this is the only way to do things. I hope it has been helpfull. You are welcome to send me private messeges if you want specific advice.
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