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leandromorales
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Posted : Aug 30, 2006 16:24
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thnaks bro
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Freeflow
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Posted : Aug 31, 2006 22:42
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Aukikco - Distortion maybe, as i understand you use the explosion to mash up everything, so it works like somekind of distortion... so instead of having to raise the volume for the explosion to distort everything try to put distortion on the elements thats supposed to get mashed, and then lower the volume of the explosion, kind of fake it... so the elements is already distorted..
a granulizer could also make it sound like the explosion exploded all the other pieces...
though in the end you should do what gives you best results... who says you cant record this "effect" and then just lower the volume so its not peaking at 0dB it will still sound distorted...
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Ghost Host
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Posted : Sep 9, 2006 20:02
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witch was here 
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br0d
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Posted : Sep 19, 2006 09:24
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On 2006-08-29 17:38, Adrenal Mode wrote:
In the end of the day is the qulaty of the gear your useing. |
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Not true. Some of the best music in the world was made on the cheapest gear, by the best ears. Quality is much more a result of ear and experience than gear. Not to mention, if you have the "super duper magic EQ" which takes up 500Hz of CPU, and that ruins your processor usage, and causes you to have to bounce down just to use it, then how much is that gonna mess up your workflow?
Lately I am getting a kick out of low-fi, lower quality gear. Because ultimately the easiest mix is gonna come from having the most control over individual tracks, and the way to do that, is with low CPU plugins, or extremely high amounts of CPU. Well I have tons of CPU (almost 8 gigs all told w/ daughterboards) but there's never enough for TOTAL control, without having to bounce. A tamed track is a mixable track, the earlier you can ditch useless headroom and dynamics, the better.
Which is why I am getting a kick out of plugs like this one:
http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/classic-master-limiter.php
these are so inexpensive you can strap like 50 of em into one song and not run out of CPU, and not have to bother with attack/release problems. Only downside is it seems to bork up and get audibly grainy on some synths if you use too much gain reduction. |
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Adrenal Mode
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Posted : Sep 19, 2006 22:03
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Hey Bord, dont get me wrong, i love free VST and i think that some of them sound better then 200$+ vst's but i'm talking about GEAR for mastering, and in the end of the day its the gear that talk.
end of the day means- after you know what to do with what
here is some of my fav free vsts
Refined Audiometrics - CLAS
SSL - LMC1 (E-Consola)
ColorTone
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cheers
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felon-collie
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Posted : Oct 4, 2006 03:34
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I have a question ...
when i do my mix, what is the desirable volume for the kick and bass tracks (in most of my tracks the kick and the bass are together in a group so i can filter...) what volume should this group play at ? aproximately ...i suppose getting this right is a step torwards a good mastering. |
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cytopia
Cytopia.org
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Posted : Oct 4, 2006 08:02
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IMO -7db or so, if sending them to a group, can leave the group at 0 and just set the volumes of the kick and bass separately since often they best at slighly different volumes. I usually start with a kick at -7db and base my track around that.
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PsyFreakazoid
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Posted : Oct 21, 2006 23:10
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I don't know if this was asked before: Is anybody using the cubase vst dynamics plugin on their master channel, it's a limiter,compressor type of plugin. WHat do you recommend to get a decent sound? Thanks in advane. BOOM! |
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Hidroponik
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 21:54
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the cubase channel strip you're referring to is okay, but there are much better choices out there, especially if your on pc and have access to p2p networks.
dsp accelerated hardware is the route i'm going these days along with vst's.
on the 2 channel stereo track i use my ssl waves plugs and on the master channel i use the TC Powercore EQ and Finalizer emulator, but those are only available when you buy a PowerCore.
if you can get a hold of the Wave's Diamond 5.0 collection, or Izotope, that would be much much better than the cubase plugs as the quality is top notch. For wave's plugs, LinMB and L3 Multi are the way to go on master fader channel and the SSL Wave's for EQ, slight compression, and gating on the audio track that holds your stereo master file.
can't give away all the little secrets, but when you're stuck on something, minimize your entire project or turn off your computer video monitor and use your ears, over-compression can produce a sort of pumping or breathing effect that can be very un-flattering to a song.
sometimes its best to import an audio track from one of your favorite cds into your mastering track to use as an A/B comparison so you can check on your progress to see how close you are.
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Squeezer
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 04:32
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well i shouldnt b saying this (ll) but i master like this :
step one: after the mixing you should normalize youre final wave format, check out any extensive peaks and then simply change their gain by selecting the cycle that peaks(its needed some pacience but itll b worth!!)after this is done normalize the 24 bit format again.
step 2:yes Eq is most important in the mastring process but it must b used wisely"less is better".try cutting and not adding:)
step 3 : Multiband compression- C5(waves) or Multidynamics from wavearts are, for me, the best and most powerfull dynamic processors u can find, i mean they really do the job:)
Step 4: Limiting: i dont usually use this tool but if u like u can use it with the treshold on the 0.0 dbs just for saying u use it(lol).another tool for limiting(the one i use) its the bitcrusher,with no drive and at 24 bit resolution this will limit ure wave without smashing everything apart!!
Step 5. eeh yes thers a step 5.this is optional but u can use a littlle bit (tiny tiny tiny)of reverb in the end,just to link those litle spaces that miss from compressing!!!
hope ive been helpfull for anyone.Best regards
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Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle
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Posted : Nov 12, 2006 14:02
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On 2006-08-29 17:38, Adrenal Mode wrote:
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On 2006-08-27 03:49, tsabeat wrote:
"pro" isnt the one who have the gear.. its who have the ear. and the brain to figure what evry step makes.
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In the end of the day is the qulaty of the gear your useing.
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as i said , use tim shuldt services for realese .
for HOME mastering (and we aint all got equip @ home) defintly only ear , and if you are not 100% sure you know what you do , and do it good , just add L2 "cd master" preset and tweak the tresh.
otherwise most likely you will kill the dynamic or somethig
also sweep freq didnt mantioned , you know that where you have reverse sound coming in still the show and makes other sounds disapear ? thats bad mky ? www.sattelbattle.com
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Psyfex
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Posted : Nov 15, 2006 18:20
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I find too many recordings these days are being compressed, limited and slammed to the threshhold of their headroom, so all the dynamics are sucked out of the song. Of course this can be neccissary to compete with the other contemporary releases, but its quite ear fatigue inducing sometimes, especially in an monitoring situation. Alot of modern tracks from all dance\rock\pop genres can feel sonicly breathless.
I know i'm being vague, but I think a good dynamic mix should not have to be slammed too much in mastering, especially if you take the important time to mix, EQ, and gain everything properly and dynamically in the session. And of course make sure any captured sounds can be as high quality as possible to ensure an easier time of getting them to sit in the mix properly. Pretty obvious stuff i spose'....
Lol although when it comes down to it you have to know what your gear can do and know how to reference properly!
Obviously a nice set of neutral frequency studio monitors come in handy lol...
Peace friends....from an isran00b
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in-human
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Posted : Dec 18, 2006 12:45
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| I never "master" my own tracks. I have a Voxengo Elephant2 in the master bus when I write the music. Sometimes I might have a waves LinMB in there too or a Voxengo Marquis in "parrallel mode" by mixing in the dry signal. Usualy though, I prefer fixing most of the dynamics in the individual tracks or group busses. |
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I would like to know if anyone else is using Lin MB on the Master output. If so are you boosting certain bands or just using it flat and squashing the mix to get a feel for the final outcome.
Is this good practice?
Also .... what about the use of a LPF on the mix and at what Freq?
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Cannabis
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Posted : Dec 27, 2006 03:57
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Who got some experience in mastering the whole album or compilation?
What do you do differently or in addition to single track mastering?
Do you actually master the single tracks individually, and then make them fit together, or treat the whole songs as a single track?
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dj spirit (bra)
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Posted : Jan 1, 2007 08:26
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thousand of forms for the same result!! to masterizar continues one doubts!!!!!!
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