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Pavel
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Posted : Mar 9, 2005 20:59
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On 2005-03-08 22:19, AvS wrote:
Just notised that Astral Projection uses the VB-1 in "1.000.000 years from today". Hehe that's kinda funny when they have all those nice synths.

Just listen:
http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/ntd/ntd1cd068.html



Even funnier the fact is they barely use those amazing synths they have and prefer VST unstruments like Absynth.           Everyone in the world is doing something without me
fuzzikitten
Annunaki

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Posted : Mar 9, 2005 21:36
I just came across this tip and it seemed like a really good one. I haven't tried it, but I imagine that used in the right places it'd be really handy:

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The idea that changing synths will address the issue is startlingly misguided. Articulation is as much about note placement as it is about shape or timbre. Take a good close look at where the bass line falls with regard to the clock on the song...shift the bassline *maybe* a millisecond or so ahead of the '1', and listen to the articulation suddenly jump out at you. Too much and you push the beat...just enough, and the instrument jumps at you, regardless of the tonality (lookit Rocco Pestia from Tower of Power...godawful woofy bass tone, but he's got that placement down to an art)

Placement.

Real time rhythm sections do this kinda stuff by second nature...you don't even think about it; it just happens. It's not rocket science...


from http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=73405&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15&sid=d32da8316b3e8947e9646830f9ea8c68

-Alex
AvS


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Posted : Mar 9, 2005 22:41
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On 2005-03-09 20:59, Pavel wrote:
Quote:

On 2005-03-08 22:19, AvS wrote:
Just notised that Astral Projection uses the VB-1 in "1.000.000 years from today". Hehe that's kinda funny when they have all those nice synths.

Just listen:
http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/ntd/ntd1cd068.html



Even funnier the fact is they barely use those amazing synths they have and prefer VST unstruments like Absynth.




You must be talking about their new stuff. Youve read that in an interview?
Pavel
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Posted : Mar 9, 2005 22:50
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On 2005-03-09 22:41, AvS wrote:
Quote:

On 2005-03-09 20:59, Pavel wrote:
Quote:

On 2005-03-08 22:19, AvS wrote:
Just notised that Astral Projection uses the VB-1 in "1.000.000 years from today". Hehe that's kinda funny when they have all those nice synths.

Just listen:
http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/ntd/ntd1cd068.html



Even funnier the fact is they barely use those amazing synths they have and prefer VST unstruments like Absynth.




You must be talking about their new stuff. Youve read that in an interview?



Seen it on their TV special on the Israeli music channel           Everyone in the world is doing something without me
Levandovski


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Posted : Mar 10, 2005 09:54
My favorites:

- EVD 6 (Emagic)

- ESM (Emagic)

Greetz
br0d
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Posted : Mar 10, 2005 11:40
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On 2005-03-09 21:36, fuzzikitten wrote:

Real time rhythm sections do this kinda stuff by second nature...you don't even think about it; it just happens. It's not rocket science...

-Alex



Yeah they are often "pushing it" or "in the pocket" and in SX the track inspector parameter "delay" can assist with this, although I find myself sliding slow modding kick drums ahead by around 4-7ms sometimes so their meat will lock better with a bassline...
sy000321
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Posted : Mar 10, 2005 11:54
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On 2005-03-09 20:59, Pavel wrote:
Even funnier the fact is they barely use those amazing synths they have and prefer VST unstruments like Absynth.



just been in their site and "their" then album "TEN" is a remix album...

how can they prefer VST even they not making any music? lololol

maybe a bit like the prodigy guy who said the last album was 100% made in reason and when you read the interviews in music magazines you realise it's a damm lie..

anyway, i've got some synths but mostly i'm using VST... but that's because i'm lazy!


[[[]]]           roll a joint or STFU :)
br0d
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Posted : Mar 10, 2005 12:19
I read that interview...it was a paid Reason endorsement if I ever saw one. Granted, Liam Howlett could produce banging tracks with an SK-1 and an abacus, but his token usage of Reason doesn't make it a frontrunning product for hard dance music, as the endorsement is intended to make us believe.
TRapp
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Posted : Mar 14, 2005 08:28
liam didnt say that the last album was mad 100% in Reason....maybe you should all read the interview properly....

"So, Reason is pretty much the meat of the sound on the new album?
– Literally everything you’ll hear on the new album has been written on Reason. Everything starts there. Eventually we get to a stage where the song is written, and then we – that’s my producer Neil McClennan and I – move it into ‘Tools where we finish off everything, and that works great since Reason integrates with ProTools really well. Everything that comes out of Reason sounds really good, it’s got this sound, I think – a kind of certain... everything sounds like it “locks in” really good, you know? And that sound we got out of Reason is something that we now and again had to go back to Reason to duplicate; sometimes we’d do a thing in ProTools and it just didn’t rock it like Reason did, so we’d take it out of ProTools and try to duplicate it in Reason instead"


"What, specifically, don’t you use Reason for?
– When it comes to bass sounds, I’m pure analog and I don’t use soft synths for bass at all. There’s just no substitute for analog. Instead, I’ll take an Oberheim, Moog, Korg MS-20 or something, sample a sequence of it playing, rex it up and then bring that back in Reason and lock it in there. I do occasionally use the softsynths to put melodies down – I’d say maybe 50% of the synths, the top line and high end stuff, is Reason. I can’t as of yet use it for everything – obviously you can’t record vocals into it – but ultimately, what Reason does have by way of limitations is also one of its strong points. It forces your imagination to be more on the board, you have to dig it out of your head rather than just going “well, I just can’t do that in there”. I never saw it that way, I mean if something you want to do is completely off limits then just use another program, no big deal."

ok.....brOd u say it was an endorsement interview????...i rate not somehow....i wouldnt exactly call Liam Howlett or any of The Prodigy guys the kinda people who would sell out....further more if you read Liam's interview in the SOS magazine you will see that it isnt an endorsement.....Propellerheads dont sell Reason as a front-running product for Hard Dance music.....no where in their website nor in any of their advertising do you see any sorta advertising, they sell it as a music creation system for all genres

what is hard or wrong about believing that ol' Liam used Reason for most of the new Prodigy album....is it the problem that he is showing that it can be done??? The fact that he is just an incredibly skilled sound-designer and prodocer>???
br0d
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Posted : Mar 14, 2005 12:13
I read the article, in its entirety, a long time ago. I called the use "token" because I have used Reason (specifically at the time, version 1.0) and I don't believe that Reason, at that time, was ANYWHERE NEAR a suitable tool for producing music as powerful or dynamic as that which had been historically released by the Prodigy. He didn't have to TELL me that he noodled in it and then flew the tracks out. In other words, it was "token" because he could have done the SAME or BETTER work elsewhere. The sequencer was clumsy, underfeatured, the synths were very thin and marginal, the FX lacking IMO. I have not used it since 1.0 so I have no desire to judge the current state of the product. Any successful use of Reason 1.0 only speaks to Liam's talent as a producer. One thing it WAS was innovative in its design, and that is probably what drew him to it. Everyone was drawn to it at the time. it just didn't SOUND as good as the hardware stuff then.

Nor did I equate endorsement to "selling out," in fact, in general I tend to completely ignore the use of the term "sellout" as it is so completely "worn out" that it makes me want to scream and run down the street naked, tearing the hair from my head.
flyhigh


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Posted : Mar 14, 2005 12:16
does any body tried make a bass line in REASON save it in wav then converter to midi file and work it em in SX ?????
DmT_compressor


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Posted : Mar 15, 2005 20:13
Hi, just a couple of things guys (and girls if there are any). I have all of the mentioned bass synths but i still wonder why my sound is lack punchy sub information. I assume that the remix competition bass posted earlier in the thread by talamasca is the VB-1. But i iuse logic and still can't get the sub end deepness that they have in my sound. i loaded theirs as audio and then went about trying to get the same result making the pattern as similar as i could and then eq'ing in many different combinations with compressors and distortion etc added in the plugins. I still lack the punch you can hear and wonder if i should be adding a second intrument or whether any of you have some serious tips on getting the correct 'big' sub sound. please help, it's all that holds me from having good tracks to play out. peace
fuzzikitten
Annunaki

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Posted : Mar 15, 2005 21:55
If you have trouble with sub, why not just layer some sine waves with each note? You'll have to EQ the tops of the sine waves and the bottom of the bass notes, and play around with the levels until it's just right. But it will *guarentee* that you have exactly the kind of sub you want.

If the synth can't do it, do it by hand.
fregle
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Posted : Mar 15, 2005 22:02
if it's just punch ur lacking, use spl transient designer, or the sony oxford plugin that does the same, or just use the freeware dominion plugin from digitalfishphones... is great on kicks too...

If u lack sub, i can only say that that's hard with software... I use my good old JUNO-60 and it has more sub then any softsynth i've seen to date, dunno why, but even good emulations of analogue hardware can't achieve the sub a real analogue synth... look around, and try them out, u'll get there eventually
Fledglyng

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Posted : Mar 16, 2005 06:30
Tau! Tau! Tau!
(and a little multiband compression)
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