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The fallacy of the acid culture?
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Anogenic
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Posted : Dec 28, 2005 04:12
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I'm sure you all recognise this quote and where it comes from, but what do you think about it?
"We're all wired into a survival trip now, no more of the speed that fueled the 60s. That was the fateful flaw of Tim Leary's trip. He crashed around America selling conciousness expansion without ever giving a thought to the grim mediocre realities that were lying in wait for all those people who took him seriously. All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought they could buy peace & understanding 3$ a hit. But their loss and failure. What Leary took down with him was the central illusion of a whole lifestyle that he helped create, a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never understood the essential old mystic fallacy of the acid culture: the desperate assumption that somebody or at least some force is tending the light at the end of the tunnel."
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Nobita
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Posted : Dec 28, 2005 04:35
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I don't agree with Hunter on that quote, because it is not necessary to make such an assumption to take seriously the revelations and insights that we can experience under psychedelics. I for one do not believe at all that there's someone or some force supervising the beyond; to me god is a metaphor , and the after-life is but a figure of speach. There's nothing one has to assume when dealing with psychedelics and what they teach, rather one has to let go of many of the assumptions we have accumulated over the span of our lives, and the concept of the existence or non-existence of "some force tending the light at the end of the tunnel" is just one of those. Hunter was one hell of a crazy, wacko, monster of a man, but he's only done drugs to have a good time, and he suffered alot from the backlash of the great dissilusionement of the end of the 60s (to which the likes of Tim Leary were partially responsible due to their overly-enthusiastic take on promoting psychedelic use); his words have a fair amount of truth in them though, because thinking that one can gain any durable enlightenment through the sole use of psychedelics is a very dangerous misconception of what the psychedelics do. They show what's possible, what's there, and the general direction, walking the spiritual path is up to us, and only us.
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Rah
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Posted : Dec 28, 2005 07:16
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I do agree with him on the other hand... Thompson was never a religious a guy, he never even hinted the assumption or religion... so i interpret his end quote "the desperate assumption that somebody or at least some force is tending the light at the end of the tunnel." more like ever-lasting hope hippies clung to, dearly and blindly. Which is very much like the idea of PLUR today and the aftermath of the candy-rave culture, that knows PLUR sounded good in theory, but in practice the world works differently.
Certainly he was a wacko did his fair share of lunacy, but he wasn't the only disillusioned soul to realize all that came out of the 70's was just empty dreams. They thought they could change (sorry, 'turn on' the world) and that there would be this spiritual change and the money-making-machines would cease for a higher purpose. that's still the biggest trick of the psychedelic revolution and it's folly... the fact you can literally get lost in it. You have heard of the lost generation before, the 50's kids... after that it was a generation of escapism... aborting reality, making your own little bubble. but that's not how the world works. Hunter was the best and most 'real' journalist to transcribe what exactly was that generation about, and he wrote posibly the best piece i have read about it (check out fear and loathing in america, i think it was his second to last book after Kingdom of Fear, before he died). The book starts with this piece of the hippie culture and what was it all about, and from that i can tell you... he wasn't the only that suffered from the backlash of death of the 'true' hippies in the 70's... everyone did, there are no more hippies after that. Unless you count Chong, making some B-role in that 70's show... the hippies died... so of course the whole thing was a big disillusionment... because the last thing they lost was hope, and that was all there was to begin with...
anyway this is all pretty open to your own interpretation, but if you ask me that is what is so great about his writing... 
as for leary, homeboy was just crackhead and got his cerebrum blown off by what he saw. I mean, he was head of the department of psychology in harvard. a really hip, open minded dude, but still psychology proffesor. Imagine the shock having discovered this thing. He grew obssessed with it and seriusly thought he ould change the world. He actually compared the psychedelic revolution with the age of horses and automobiles. but at the end of the day, he was just a lecturer and after he messed up and got thrown out in harvard, he had to make a living out of this idea... so he made movies, he campaigned (and 'sold out' like Thomson called it) and he lived of that, because... there truly was nothing else for him. There's a great book on that by Michael Hollingstead, who was the guy that actually introduced Leary to LSD, is called 'the man who turned on the world' it's free on the internet look it up if it's of any interested... i find all this culture fascinating, can you tell ?
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Dec 29, 2005 18:03
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I find all said here really interesting..and true.
But if we are aware of the mistakes of the previous gens,cant we avoid them and improve?
Or it could be just another "light in the end of the tunnel" which we will ever bathe in..
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shahar
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Posted : Dec 29, 2005 18:47
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I think the problem was actually doing something with the amazing realizations and profound revelations, instead of just talking about them and looking for more.
This problem is the same these days with our generation.
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furthur
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Posted : Dec 29, 2005 19:34
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On 2005-12-29 18:47, shahar wrote:
I think the problem was actually doing something with the amazing realizations and profound revelations, instead of just talking about them and looking for more.
This problem is the same these days with our generation.
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what do you mean by "doing"?
If you mean incorporating the revelations into life and actually living them out, I agree that it is needed. It is not easy though. Use of psychedelics will not lead to such an incorporation, what we do after the trip is even more important.
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shahar
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Posted : Dec 29, 2005 19:50
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exactly what I meant.
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Posted : Jan 3, 2006 01:39
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I've had this quote on my home page for a long time. It inspired the "Crippled" in the "Crippled Music 4 Crippled People" DJ team I did for a while with my friend Hocker.
When you go to a psy party you see a lot of them -- the "permanent cripples", the casualties.
The point is that too many people take psy-trance and the whole acid culture far too seriously. At the end of the day it's just a f**in' party. Not a reason for living. Wake up!
One day you will get older and look back at the time you spent being a "psy head" and ask yourself -- what did I get out of it? I'm afraid the answer will be: very little. You fried a few brain cells and had some good times, but that's about it. You will look around yourself and see people of the same age that built careers, raised families, made positive contributions to the world, and you won't be one of them. Getting high and listening to loud music, at the end of the day, is a pretty selfish habit that benefits nobody. Which doesn't mean it's not fun and you shouldn't check it out -- for a while!
Taking it too seriously is where you go off the deep end. The world has many serious problems and eating acid and flailing your limbs wildly in the air isn't gonna fix 'em. Not in the 1960's and not now, and not ever.
HST saw that, the misguided acid sheep following a mirage. I see it today. The bottom line is, have a laugh, learn from it what you can, and move on, the sooner the better. This world needs you, and not on the dance floor. This world needs you to be sharp, sober, to make positive changes and to stop the madmen destroying it.
Laugh at me now, and we'll see what you'll think when you're 40.
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dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix..."
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Posted : Jan 3, 2006 04:01
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I've had this quote on my home page for a long time. It inspired the "Crippled" in the "Crippled Music 4 Crippled People" DJ team I did for a while with my friend Hocker.
When you go to a psy party you see a lot of them -- the "permanent cripples", the casualties.
The point is that too many people take psy-trance and the whole acid culture far too seriously. At the end of the day it's just a f**in' party. Not a reason for living. Wake up!
One day you will get older and look back at the time you spent being a "psy head" and ask yourself -- what did I get out of it? I'm afraid the answer will be: very little. You fried a few brain cells and had some good times, but that's about it. You will look around yourself and see people of the same age that built careers, raised families, made positive contributions to the world, and you won't be one of them. Getting high and listening to loud music, at the end of the day, is a pretty selfish habit that benefits nobody. Which doesn't mean it's not fun and you shouldn't check it out -- for a while!
Taking it too seriously is where you go off the deep end. The world has many serious problems and eating acid and flailing your limbs wildly in the air isn't gonna fix 'em. Not in the 1960's and not now, and not ever.
HST saw that, the misguided acid sheep following a mirage. I see it today. The bottom line is, have a laugh, learn from it what you can, and move on, the sooner the better. This world needs you, and not on the dance floor. This world needs you to be sharp, sober, to make positive changes and to stop the madmen destroying it.
Laugh at me now, and we'll see what you'll think when you're 40.
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-Abatwa-
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Posted : Jan 3, 2006 07:06
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On 2006-01-03 01:39, itsthemechanic wrote:
I've had this quote on my home page for a long time. It inspired the "Crippled" in the "Crippled Music 4 Crippled People" DJ team I did for a while with my friend Hocker.
When you go to a psy party you see a lot of them -- the "permanent cripples", the casualties.
The point is that too many people take psy-trance and the whole acid culture far too seriously. At the end of the day it's just a f**in' party. Not a reason for living. Wake up!
One day you will get older and look back at the time you spent being a "psy head" and ask yourself -- what did I get out of it? I'm afraid the answer will be: very little. You fried a few brain cells and had some good times, but that's about it. You will look around yourself and see people of the same age that built careers, raised families, made positive contributions to the world, and you won't be one of them. Getting high and listening to loud music, at the end of the day, is a pretty selfish habit that benefits nobody. Which doesn't mean it's not fun and you shouldn't check it out -- for a while!
Taking it too seriously is where you go off the deep end. The world has many serious problems and eating acid and flailing your limbs wildly in the air isn't gonna fix 'em. Not in the 1960's and not now, and not ever.
HST saw that, the misguided acid sheep following a mirage. I see it today. The bottom line is, have a laugh, learn from it what you can, and move on, the sooner the better. This world needs you, and not on the dance floor. This world needs you to be sharp, sober, to make positive changes and to stop the madmen destroying it.
Laugh at me now, and we'll see what you'll think when you're 40.
"I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix..."
- Alan Ginsberg, "Howl"
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you my friend have no idea what the trance dance experience is about. I find most of the things you have said funny, wake up yourself buddy.
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Jan 3, 2006 11:46
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On 2006-01-03 01:39, itsthemechanic wrote:
I've had this quote on my home page for a long time. It inspired the "Crippled" in the "Crippled Music 4 Crippled People" DJ team I did for a while with my friend Hocker.
When you go to a psy party you see a lot of them -- the "permanent cripples", the casualties.
The point is that too many people take psy-trance and the whole acid culture far too seriously. At the end of the day it's just a f**in' party. Not a reason for living. Wake up!
One day you will get older and look back at the time you spent being a "psy head" and ask yourself -- what did I get out of it? I'm afraid the answer will be: very little. You fried a few brain cells and had some good times, but that's about it. You will look around yourself and see people of the same age that built careers, raised families, made positive contributions to the world, and you won't be one of them. Getting high and listening to loud music, at the end of the day, is a pretty selfish habit that benefits nobody. Which doesn't mean it's not fun and you shouldn't check it out -- for a while!
Taking it too seriously is where you go off the deep end. The world has many serious problems and eating acid and flailing your limbs wildly in the air isn't gonna fix 'em. Not in the 1960's and not now, and not ever.
HST saw that, the misguided acid sheep following a mirage. I see it today. The bottom line is, have a laugh, learn from it what you can, and move on, the sooner the better. This world needs you, and not on the dance floor. This world needs you to be sharp, sober, to make positive changes and to stop the madmen destroying it.
Laugh at me now, and we'll see what you'll think when you're 40.
"I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix..."
- Alan Ginsberg, "Howl"
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I agree with pretty much everything you said, but to a certain extent. I wouldn't say that being happy in my life means that I got very little out of it. Parties are not the sole reason I've been happy in my life, but the state of mind that I have when I am having a good time in general, helps me look at life in a positive way and ultimately (in my case), make the right decisions for the future.
People are free to choose the path they want to follow in life. It is possible to make a career, raise kids, make positive contributions and enjoy the music. Note that I don't include taking psychedelics in that equation, because, personaly, I would not even think about being so selfish when I have a family that is depending on me.
Then again some people might say that they are not interested in contributing to the world's overpopulation problems by raising a family. They are not interested in contributing to the global polution by making a career and buying a car, big house with loads of electrical appliances...etc.
But I am with you 100% on that partying is not reason for living.
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Vagator Vibhushan
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Posted : Jan 3, 2006 14:40
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On 2006-01-03 01:39, itsthemechanic wrote:
At the end of the day it's just a f**in' party. Not a reason for living. Wake up!
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man, ur waay off ur nuts! The connection between psychedelics and spiritual upheaval, including the trance dance experience, was established, and practised, since at least a few thousand years before our hippie friends from US decided to hijack the notion because they didn't like what their prez said or were reacting to capitalism, which incidentally, their forefathers created. The very reason that idea failed was because its premise was wrong...it was borne out of a stupid hedonistic reaction...its like being angry with your mom...how long can u stay that way?
In any case, truth is relative, so their motivations are not exactly the same as ours today, and surely not their escapism, and if people like you stop getting in the way, the culture can find a new postive direction relevant to its time.
What you can at best argue for is moderation and balance...but that applies to all spheres of life - work, family, love, friends et all. However, to stretch this to say its just a f*ckin party is pushing things too far, your way.
The other way is to let the experience open your mind, and then act on those realisations, and not surprisingly, many do - the bio movement, the conscious effort to live on the fringes of society in order to expand its realms, to get into low paying but high-satisfaction social work, to stand-up for just causes, to be insanely creative are all part of the deal, which geezers trying to be the richest in their street have little time or understanding for, but the society still needs.
The experience always shows you the way, but if you want to omenise instead of acting on it, then please consider it nothing but a personal choice. I think if done well and understood properly, one can be a psyhead till the last breath. It doesnt mean eating acid all the time, but it does include becomming more aware of life's journey...but well, shahar said all this in 2 lines already
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Posted : Jan 3, 2006 15:23
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it all depends on the way u think
ur personality
u can't just soak ur self and attach to ur sefl to this "psy culture" crazy about the trips and the look and talking about things
which ordinary people won't feel
plus psychadeleics don't always make sense
or guide u sometimes u will get the feeling that u r in the wrong place at the wrong time and this whole crowd and music doesn't make any sense
besides u might get this feeling even when u r sober u should define by yourself wat does this all mean to u not the trip
hunter has done a lot of drugs which were extermely heavy
too much of a thing may lead u to experience things which doesn't make sense its just total illusion
psychadeleics can help in understanding the life forms and bulid connections but not always soemtimes its just a total distrubuting expereience which u can't relaize or learn anything from it which may lead to psychological problems and panic attacks |
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Timothy Leary was a psychologist whose research on the effects of mind-altering drugs in the early '60s led to fame as a symbol of the American counter culture movement by the end of the decade. At Harvard in 1960, Leary studied LSD's effect on volunteer grad students, and used it as psychotherapy for prison inmates. Although the grad students and prisoners liked it, university authorities didn't and Leary left Harvard in 1963. By the height of the hippie movement, he was in California telling young people to "Turn on. Tune in. Drop out." and advocating the use of LSD, which had become illegal. President Nixon called him the "most dangerous man in America," but Leary was a celebrity, hanging out with stars like Jimi Hendrix and John Lennon. Jailed in 1972 for marijuana possession, Leary escaped from jail and made it to Algiers, where he tried to get asylum from Eldridge Cleaver. Leary was eventually arrested in Afghanistan and brought back to serve time. He was released in 1976 and headed for Hollywood, and in the 1980s changed his focus from psychedelic drugs to technology. In the 1990s he was a champion of cyberculture as the future of mankind; when diagnosed with prostate cancer in 1995, Leary announced he would Webcast his final days. He died in his sleep in 1996 and his remains were launched into orbit in April of 1997, in a vial described as "the size of a lipstick holder," attached to a Spanish satellite scheduled to orbit until 2003...
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Posted : Dec 1, 2006 10:38
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Some interesting views here!
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