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The fallacy of the acid culture?
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John
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Posted : Dec 3, 2006 17:27
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On 2006-12-01 11:02, kazuku wrote:
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On 2006-01-03 01:39, itsthemechanic wrote:
At the end of the day it's just a f**in' party. Not a reason for living. Wake up!
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lol...noob 
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I'd imagine quite the opposite...
Trance parties are great ways to spend a friday night/weekend - but they're not going to change the world...
I've seen so many people over the years go through the same cycle - honey moon period where they go out all the time & think everything to do with parties is wonderful, overdo it & their health/job/educations/whatever suffers, then they get really disillusioned and think its all a hollow sham and you never see them again..
The reality of the "scene" is somewhere in between - of course its great to party with like minded people & dance in the country or in a fluoro'd up venue - and its far better than getting drunk and getting into a fight- but dont kid yourself you're getting enlightened...
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-Abatwa-
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Posted : Dec 3, 2006 19:55
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More like dont kid yourself in speaking like you know every persons experience. Its all personal mon, maybe you may not be becoming "enlightened" but you dont have any right to speak about other personal experiences you probably have no idea about. Party on but dont b.s about things you dont comprehend fully.
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kazuku
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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 05:11
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On 2006-12-01 11:02, kazuku wrote:
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On 2006-01-03 01:39, itsthemechanic wrote:
At the end of the day it's just a f**in' party. Not a reason for living. Wake up!
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lol...noob
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Im sorry about that post, it was uncalled for but wasnt meant in a bad way.
Sometimes I get a bit over zealous. I wasnt trying to say anybody is wrong.
I guess all I wanted to say is that to me psy culture is a deep well. What you find in in it depends on what you are searching for.
The core of the real psy culture rotates around travellers. Travellers have been the keepers of ancient knowledge throughout history....think of the Gypsies for example.
To me the psychedelic gatherings are a place where people can find distraction if they want...if you dig deeper a lot more can be found. (IMO).
One final word about psy-substances - if people take them as recreational drugs they will not give you any more than that (maybe even something really bad ). If you treat these substances as something very special, with respect and with the intention of exploration they may offer more and take you to places you will never forget once you have been there. (Just my opinion and experience, not trying to say anyone is wrong).
And the music is enough reason to love psy anyhow 
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Acidhive
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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 11:54
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On 2006-12-03 01:57, Psycosmo wrote:
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On 2006-12-01 12:44, Acidhive wrote:
Anyway, I really agree when the statement is made that a party is just that and nothing more. All that crap about being connected to everyone and stuff you hear people going on about is just horseshit, it's the drugs that make you feel that way. There's no connection at all, because if there was, wouldn't you feel it when you're just going about your business in the average day?
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Well, if you went out to parties more, you would realize that when you party with the same people for years, real bonds do form. Judging by what you say, I'm guessing you dont have much of a social circle, otherwise you would realize that its not just druggies that feel connections with other people.
Social bonds are the glue that holds this world together. Getting together and eating drugs and dancing is a way to forge social bonds.
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The same can be said for friends indeed. And I do have friends. Tell me, would it give you comfort to know I didn't have any? Would it make you feel better about yourself? Well that's a good psy-attitude you've got there man. Ofcourse the same can be said for friends, but nobody said anything about partying with the same crowd for years until you came along. And anyway, making friends and having social bonds with people can be easily achieved WITHOUT drugs. The fact that you can't make friends without them doesn't mean that other people have the same problem.
"Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."
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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 13:25
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On 2006-12-03 19:55, -Abatwa- wrote:
More like dont kid yourself in speaking like you know every persons experience. Its all personal mon, maybe you may not be becoming "enlightened" but you dont have any right to speak about other personal experiences you probably have no idea about. Party on but dont b.s about things you dont comprehend fully.
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Exactly, acidhive before you start another rant listen to this man. And no people who form bonds with other people while on drugs are not incapable, rather theyr much more open minded and willing to bond than close minded people like you are |
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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 14:25
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LSD and other psycedelics are not drugs as for example MDMA or speed is.
So we need to talk about two different things. Drugs are bad - Psychedelics are very good if they are used in a good way.
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kazuku
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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 14:50
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On 2006-12-04 14:25, EYB wrote:
LSD and other psycedelics are not drugs as for example MDMA or speed is.
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Exactly!
Unfortunatly many people do not understand the difference. LSD is not a recreational drug. The "cripples" talked about in this thread are the result of incorrect use of psychedelic substances, not of the substance itself.
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Acidhive
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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 15:17
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On 2006-12-04 13:25, venom455 wrote:
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On 2006-12-03 19:55, -Abatwa- wrote:
More like dont kid yourself in speaking like you know every persons experience. Its all personal mon, maybe you may not be becoming "enlightened" but you dont have any right to speak about other personal experiences you probably have no idea about. Party on but dont b.s about things you dont comprehend fully.
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Exactly, acidhive before you start another rant listen to this man. And no people who form bonds with other people while on drugs are not incapable, rather theyr much more open minded and willing to bond than close minded people like you are
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Tell me how the fuck you know I'm not open minded? Is it because I don't like people who do drugs? In my point of view people who do drugs are weak, they can't have a good time without mind altering experiences. It makes them empty. A hollow shell which can only be filled up with drugs. I like to make friends without drugs, that way I know for sure they like me for what I am, and not because it was drug induced. Anyway, me not liking drug using people does NOT make me close minded. And please if you start throwing those terms around it means you are closing yourself to me as well, which, according to your brilliant reasoning was the thing you wouldn't do because you were so open minded.
"Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."
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Dogon
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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 15:28
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On 2006-12-04 15:17, Acidhive wrote:
In my point of view people who do drugs are weak, they can't have a good time without mind altering experiences. It makes them empty. A hollow shell which can only be filled up with drugs. I like to make friends without drugs, that way I know for sure they like me for what I am, and not because it was drug induced.
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Thats your problem mate..... not someone's who do drugs, but thats one of the symptoms of closed mind...... coz u have generalised the 'D' users as weak etc. How could you say this?
I mean i know people who do D's but still are great pals & cool peeps to hangout with & talk to & party with....... so IMO, this comment is coming from a closed mind.
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Anyway, me not liking drug using people does NOT make me close minded.
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Ya, thats correct! But the generalisation is again a product of closed mind, IMO
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Acidhive
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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 16:44
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On 2006-12-04 15:28, Dogon wrote:
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On 2006-12-04 15:17, Acidhive wrote:
In my point of view people who do drugs are weak, they can't have a good time without mind altering experiences. It makes them empty. A hollow shell which can only be filled up with drugs. I like to make friends without drugs, that way I know for sure they like me for what I am, and not because it was drug induced.
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Thats your problem mate..... not someone's who do drugs, but thats one of the symptoms of closed mind...... coz u have generalised the 'D' users as weak etc. How could you say this?
I mean i know people who do D's but still are great pals & cool peeps to hangout with & talk to & party with....... so IMO, this comment is coming from a closed mind.
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Anyway, me not liking drug using people does NOT make me close minded.
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Ya, thats correct! But the generalisation is again a product of closed mind, IMO
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As is your generalization now that I would be close minded while you've never even met me.
So who's close minded now eh? Don't take the things out of my writing and put them in a different context please. I've said this all before in my previous post, but you just read over it because it suits you.
"Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."
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Dogon
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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 17:30
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On 2006-12-04 16:44, Acidhive wrote:
Don't take the things out of my writing and put them in a different context please. I've said this all before in my previous post, but you just read over it because it suits you.
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Do you behave differently when people meet you & when you talk to people on the forum?
If the answer is yea, them maybe you got a point!
But the point you got doesnt suits me at all..... so take care...
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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 17:36
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help me help me.. I'm blind I'm blind. Oh no, my mind is closing. Aaahhhhhh *runs into a wall and falls down on butt* |
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Dogon
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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 17:40
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On 2006-12-04 17:36, psytones wrote:
help me help me.. I'm blind I'm blind. Oh no, my mind is closing. Aaahhhhhh *runs into a wall and falls down on butt*
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hehehehehehe 
psytones got a point!
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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 19:14
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Acidhive - i suppose you dont do any drugs, no alcohol, no coffee, no nicotine, no Thc, no nothing..
and you dont like other people that does these drugs.. or are there any specific drugs that you allow?
"In my point of view people who do drugs are weak, they can't have a good time without mind altering experiences. It makes them empty. A hollow shell which can only be filled up with drugs."
why is this? it sounds so deranged...
In my point of view people who do psytrance are weak, they can't have a good time without psytrance experiences. It makes them empty. A hollow shell which can only be filled up with psytrance.
In my point of view people who do murder are weak, they can't have a good time without murder experiences. It makes them empty. A hollow shell which can only be filled up with murder.
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kazuku
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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 20:04
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On 2006-12-04 19:14, Freeflow wrote:
Acidhive - i suppose you dont do any drugs, no alcohol, no coffee, no nicotine, no Thc, no nothing..
and you dont like other people that does these drugs.. or are there any specific drugs that you allow?
"In my point of view people who do drugs are weak, they can't have a good time without mind altering experiences. It makes them empty. A hollow shell which can only be filled up with drugs."
why is this? it sounds so deranged...
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Absolutely right...
The guy who has a job and family but likes to smoke weed occasionally is weak?
The girl who goes to 4 festivals a year and takes acid 2 times in that time is weak?
A shaman who uses psilocybin for healing purposes/mental cleansing in Mexico is weak?
Hm..yeah that Bob Marley guy sure was one weak individual....very hollow..
Has anyone ever heard of someone being addicted to shrooms? Must be really common...
Imo assuming so many people are weak and hollow is assuming too much.
peace
oh yeah...and before you leave the house pls remember:
Ju...ju...just say no kids
edit: breaking news: outside my window there is a horde of rabid, single minded psylocibin junkies scratching at my window wanting in....I may not survive this night..I can see the..hollowness..in their eyes..they want my money to buy more drugs to feed their sick addiction...and my blood to drink and my pineal gland to suck on!!
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