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The fallacy of the acid culture?

kazuku
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Posted : Dec 1, 2006 11:02
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On 2006-01-03 01:39, itsthemechanic wrote:
At the end of the day it's just a f**in' party. Not a reason for living. Wake up!





lol...noob
arn´´t you experienced?

learn2trance kkthxbye

hm ok sry that wasnt very constructive...but common..
kazuku
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Posted : Dec 1, 2006 11:55
Imo "tune in, turn on, drop out" doesnt cut it anymore. Passiveness is of no use - in it lies the fallacy of acid culture. No more Mr. nice guy. The world wont go away if we close our eyes.

It is time for the agents of PSY, warriors of the cyberage, to infiltrate society wherever possible. Invade the grey world of lies! We need psychedelic pollution!
The "dead" should wander amongst the living without giving away their true identity, placing hints and clues on a daily basis, spreading psychedelic seeds without being labelled a "drop out" or "nut case", never blowing their cover.

An invisible web, a psychedelic conspiracy on direct order of that which is ONE.


We need agents, initiates from the invisible school of Psy, subtly attacking concensus reality in all walks of life. Agents opening the doors from within, creating cracks for the invisible to flow in. Change must come from the inside, and must be brought by all (peaceful) means, using all tools available to achieve this.
With the help of the force one agent may find the way into the control room and press that red button button before its too late!

VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!

or maybe im just stoned /shrug ;P


Acidhive
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Posted : Dec 1, 2006 12:44
Well, to me the whole psytrance "culture" means nothing. I don't want to be affiliated with those acidheads out there. To me it's about the music, and all about the music. I'm in this scene for good trance and nothing more. I deeply respect the artists that I find to be very good at what they do and that's making music. All things that take place around the music like taking drugs, going to parties etc. is not for me. I'm 28 now and what has been said here about being 40 and suddenly realizing you've actually done nothing with your life, well, I realized all this when I got into this scene in 1996, when I was 18. And there's the difference between people I guess. Some people just don't go into things without thinking about consequences. In my case the fact that I dislike being in large groups of people or listening to music really loud really helped too ofcourse, I won't deny that.

Anyway, I really agree when the statement is made that a party is just that and nothing more. All that crap about being connected to everyone and stuff you hear people going on about is just horseshit, it's the drugs that make you feel that way. There's no connection at all, because if there was, wouldn't you feel it when you're just going about your business in the average day? And what's more, one more aspect I dislike in this scene is people always going on about making a difference in the world, that 'make love not war' thing. Well, newsflash, that's bullshit as well. You want to make a difference? Fine, get off your lazy drugass and actually GO to some of the places that need help and actually DO something yourself instead of just thinking about it. Thinking never helped anyone and the fact that you're on a drugtrip feeling fine doesn't mean some poor sod in Africa crawling around in the desert looking for food is going to feel the "My God we're all connected man" thing. No really. And hey, I don't aspire to be the change in the world. But at least I don't lie to myself about it. I have my own worries and my philosophy is each to him/herself.

Does that make me a bad person? Maybe some people will think about it that way. I just call it common sense.          "Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."

[Esoteric: Subconscious Dissolution Into The Continuum]
venom455

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Posted : Dec 1, 2006 14:20
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On 2006-01-03 01:39, itsthemechanic wrote:
I've had this quote on my home page for a long time. It inspired the "Crippled" in the "Crippled Music 4 Crippled People" DJ team I did for a while with my friend Hocker.

When you go to a psy party you see a lot of them -- the "permanent cripples", the







casualties.

The point is that too many people take psy-trance and the whole acid culture far too seriously. At the end of the day it's just a f**in' party. Not a reason for living. Wake up!

One day you will get older and look back at the time you spent being a "psy head" and ask yourself -- what did I get out of it? I'm afraid the answer will be: very little. You fried a few brain cells and had some good times, but that's about it. You will look around yourself and see people of the same age that built careers, raised families, made positive contributions to the world, and you won't be one of them. Getting high and listening to loud music, at the end of the day, is a pretty selfish habit that benefits nobody. Which doesn't mean it's not fun and you shouldn't check it out -- for a while!

Taking it too seriously is where you go off the deep end. The world has many serious problems and eating acid and flailing your limbs wildly in the air isn't gonna fix 'em. Not in the 1960's and not now, and not ever.

HST saw that, the misguided acid sheep following a mirage. I see it today. The bottom line is, have a laugh, learn from it what you can, and move on, the sooner the better. This world needs you, and not on the dance floor. This world needs you to be sharp, sober, to make positive changes and to stop the madmen destroying it.

Laugh at me now, and we'll see what you'll think when you're 40.

"I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix..."

- Alan Ginsberg, "Howl"



Dude, u dont understand anything bout the psyculture. For you it may mean something you just do out of folly in your younger days. To a lot of people, its a way of life and you have to respect that.
Freeflow
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Posted : Dec 1, 2006 18:07
"This world needs you to be sharp, sober, to make positive changes and to stop the madmen destroying it."

you dont need to be sharp or sober to make positive changes. why would you need to be sharp and sober to do that?



Dogon
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Posted : Dec 1, 2006 18:41
hehehheehehehee....

I mean it's Just Music & Love & Respect to all!


          We were born naked & grow up to become wicked.
pH_
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Posted : Dec 1, 2006 20:06
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On 2006-01-03 01:39, itsthemechanic wrote:
One day you will get older and look back at the time you spent being a "psy head" and ask yourself -- what did I get out of it? I'm afraid the answer will be: very little. You fried a few brain cells and had some good times, but that's about it. You will look around yourself and see people of the same age that built careers, raised families, made positive contributions to the world, and you won't be one of them. Getting high and listening to loud music, at the end of the day, is a pretty selfish habit that benefits nobody. Which doesn't mean it's not fun and you shouldn't check it out -- for a while!



I really disagree with this. I think it's what you make of it. If you see a party as just a party and nothing more, that's all you'll get out of it. If you see it as a way to connect with others and yourself, you'll get that out of it. I think to basically equating people who get high and listen to music as failures is extremely ignorant and close minded, not to mention a generalization. Sure there will be some who eat sleep piss and shit psytrance, and never contribute anything to society, but you can say that about anything: video games, religion, TV, booze, comic books.

Pretty much everything you said is relative to that person. Some people just have no interest in raising a family, or careers, or anything. Are these people any less noble or worthy because of their preferences? I think everyone contributes something to the world in their own way, intentionally or not. Whether it's a "positive" contribution depends on how you see it.

I guess I should state that I've never done LSD, or mushrooms, or any serious psychedelic. I don't need them at this point; I might never need them.

Saiko Dreamer


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Posted : Dec 1, 2006 23:24
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On 2006-12-01 18:07, Freeflow wrote:
"This world needs you to be sharp, sober, to make positive changes and to stop the madmen destroying it."

you dont need to be sharp or sober to make positive changes. why would you need to be sharp and sober to do that?



True... why not? Many people do positive things and changes not "Sober" or "Sharp".

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On 2006-01-03 01:39, itsthemechanic wrote:
At the end of the day it's just a f**in' party. Not a reason for living. Wake up!



I really don't agree with that,i also think that if you see like that you won't be able to enjoy the way you could,at best.

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On 2006-12-01 14:20, venom455 wrote:
Dude, u dont understand anything bout the psyculture. For you it may mean something you just do out of folly in your younger days. To a lot of people, its a way of life and you have to respect that.



That MUST be respected.

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On 2006-12-01 12:44, Acidhive wrote:

Does that make me a bad person? Maybe some people will think about it that way. I just call it common sense.



I don't think it does,but it makes you a person that don't seen to respect others toughts or beliefs,for you it may look ridiculous but for many is not.
And if you just think,what is the difference if you are on drugs or not? Your not doing anything in both cases,at least your not a selfish person that don't even think about it,because you know a lot of people don't even worry about anything just their on asses.
And everything stars with a tought,today you are a regular guy that may not help the world in a significant way but who knows who you will turn to be? If people who today are known,rich and don't help anyone had this toughts when they were younger what do you think they were be doing to day? i bet better things! I don't think that idea of "My God we're all connected man" is such a bad idea after all,i really think if more people tought like that we would be in a better place.
mudpeople
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Posted : Dec 2, 2006 00:18
IMO the problem I see with acid culture, from my own meager experience, is the idea that without acid you cant party or something like that. THat acid is an essential part of the trance dance experience. While it is a powerful tool, its not the only way.

Those poor "cripples", as was mentioned above, think that they are doing it right. It seems from my own experience that LSD can be so easy to just run with, so easy to take a ton of it. It seems so harmless, and indeed medical literature reinforces this. The real harm is in the mind, acid cuts the mind loose, much like deep meditative states, and this can be dangerous if you dont know what to do in this situation, the mind may make it back a different way, or not quite all they way back. Im sure you understand what I mean. A textbook about LSD which I have talks of the tendency for acidheads to be very spiritual and take it way too seriously, believing that they contacted God or something and he told them how to live their lives better... Acid shows you yourself. Nothing more, no divine contact, maybe just more of ourselves than we have ever experienced, the "...doors in the mind that they're afraid to go in..." It seems many believe that its the drug which made them realize things, really its the mind itself. This is the real underlying aspect of religions, from Celtic to Hindu, to Shinto and Lapp shamanism. Its really all the power of the mind.           .
psyrexian


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Posted : Dec 2, 2006 08:01
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On 2006-12-02 00:18, mudpeople wrote:
Acid shows you yourself. Nothing more, no divine contact, maybe just more of ourselves than we have ever experienced, the "...doors in the mind that they're afraid to go in..."



So this is nothing more ??!

Well this is enough for me... ..my mind is my universe ... it is my reallity... my realm ... and i have a fucking warp 25 to explore it           LIFE IS GOOD ON TRANCE!
kazuku
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Posted : Dec 2, 2006 12:33
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On 2006-12-02 00:18, mudpeople wrote:
IMO the problem I see with acid culture, from my own meager experience, is the idea that without acid you cant party or something like that. THat acid is an essential part of the trance dance experience. While it is a powerful tool, its not the only way.




/signed

Sure its not the only way....it can be a short cut to experiences which are hard to reach by different ways in this time and age.
Some mental athletes can achieve these states without any help at all, some meditate for years on end, some have to put themselves through extreme pain, some gain these experience through fasting, some use the vibration of sound to tune in, some simply dance untill all else fades away, some depend on strong faith in some religion.

Sure god (or whatever you want to call it) is not hiding inside that small square, but inside of everyone. Every being is a part of the whole and therefore carries a spark, splinter of the "divine" within them. All comes from within. If a person is empty on the inside, that paper square will not fill up that space. A person needs to be ready.

If TRANCE only means music for some people, fair enough. However, imo trance is much more than this. It is breking down the borders of this reality with every stomp of the foot to the beat, tearing down that curtain which creates the illusion of division. To me trance is rediscovering that path within oneself which leads to the source, the place hidden in all our minds where we are ONE, and learning the secrets this place holds for us.

Trance is a road that can lead us there, LSD/Mushrooms/Mescaline are just tools which can speed up the process. More important then anything however is (imo, from my experience):

-A certain amount of faith (in whatever)
-To look in the mirror without fear
-To be able to "let go" at the right point
-To be able to feel UNCONDITIONAl love within ourselves.

LSD is just an amplifier. If there is no signal in the first place, what is there to amplify?



MॐZC4L1†0
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Posted : Dec 2, 2006 13:01
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On 2006-12-02 12:33, kazuku wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-12-02 00:18, mudpeople wrote:
IMO the problem I see with acid culture, from my own meager experience, is the idea that without acid you cant party or something like that. THat acid is an essential part of the trance dance experience. While it is a powerful tool, its not the only way.




/signed

Sure its not the only way....it can be a short cut to experiences which are hard to reach by different ways in this time and age.
Some mental athletes can achieve these states without any help at all, some meditate for years on end, some have to put themselves through extreme pain, some gain these experience through fasting, some use the vibration of sound to tune in, some simply dance untill all else fades away, some depend on strong faith in some religion.

Sure god (or whatever you want to call it) is not hiding inside that small square, but inside of everyone. Every being is a part of the whole and therefore carries a spark, splinter of the "divine" within them. All comes from within. If a person is empty on the inside, that paper square will not fill up that space. A person needs to be ready.

If TRANCE only means music for some people, fair enough. However, imo trance is much more than this. It is breking down the borders of this reality with every stomp of the foot to the beat, tearing down that curtain which creates the illusion of division. To me trance is rediscovering that path within oneself which leads to the source, the place hidden in all our minds where we are ONE, and learning the secrets this place holds for us.

Trance is a road that can lead us there, LSD/Mushrooms/Mescaline are just tools which can speed up the process. More important then anything however is (imo, from my experience):

-A certain amount of faith (in whatever)
-To look in the mirror without fear
-To be able to "let go" at the right point
-To be able to feel UNCONDITIONAl love within ourselves.

LSD is just an amplifier. If there is no signal in the first place, what is there to amplify?










Fuck man!!! What a way to say it ... Please lets all read it again and learn from this oh so wise post....           Memento Mori
Psycosmo
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Posted : Dec 3, 2006 01:57
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On 2006-12-01 12:44, Acidhive wrote:
Anyway, I really agree when the statement is made that a party is just that and nothing more. All that crap about being connected to everyone and stuff you hear people going on about is just horseshit, it's the drugs that make you feel that way. There's no connection at all, because if there was, wouldn't you feel it when you're just going about your business in the average day?



Well, if you went out to parties more, you would realize that when you party with the same people for years, real bonds do form. Judging by what you say, I'm guessing you dont have much of a social circle, otherwise you would realize that its not just druggies that feel connections with other people.

Social bonds are the glue that holds this world together. Getting together and eating drugs and dancing is a way to forge social bonds.
Kaz
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Posted : Dec 3, 2006 04:18
There's a connection made in any place where people hang out together. How strong a connection? That's totally subjective. That's the problem with LSD and most other psychedelic experiences, that's all they sum up to. The subjective experience. There's the real world (a name I use for "consensus reality") and there's the world as seen through one's own eyes. Taking your eyes away from the world that surrounds us and going deeper into your own understanding of it can give you brilliant insight (albiet, not necessarily a correct one), but can also cause a drift away from what's actually happening out there. Brilliance is blinding.

There's an old saying - "before enlightenment, you chop wood and bring water. After enlightenment, you chop wood and bring water". The simple phrasing is all about proportion, context, and revelation. A single word of difference, which makes for a huge change in perception, but no change in life. A small difference while carrying such a great weight as "enlightenment", for the most part, is still just a small difference. Something very easy to lose sight of. The questions raised by the ability to take you outside the normal parameters of perception, boosted beyond your control on certain levels, can be very important and, at times, seemingly necessary.

Would you have reached them anyways? Most people who reach a point when they have to stop and think would. But doubtlessly, they would be seen as just the sum of experience, not divinely wrought ("given through external powers"), and therefor have their place cut out for them. The fact is, most realizations come to us when our time is right for them, and while you can change what the right time is, in the natural course of things, you cannot do more. The risk of gaining such realization without having a place ready for it can cause you to shape your perception of the real world to fit it - something that can at times change your perception of reality to a clearer one, but at other times, distort it into something which it isn't. I think that because of this John Lennon eventually came to call LSD "the liar".

Let me be the first to say that despite this, there is much to learn from the psychedelic experience, but keep in mind, the risks are very real, and moderation is usually the prudent choice - there are just some gambles that aren't worth making. This, IMO, is what Hunter S. Thompson was talking about in that famous passage in Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas. His stories articles showed both the beautiful (humanist, warm, and unpretentious) and ugly (ludicrus, detached and irrational) sides of the acidheads - through powerful metaphor, through narrative, and many suspect, through personal experience and an exhibitionist need. While most of his descriptions are dry, letting what he describes speak for itself, there is more than a touch of melancholy when he talks about the failure of the acid culture, because in a way, it is the death of a dream that he shared, that he cared for as much as most, but which his cynicism and iron grip on the world could contain. He said in an interview - about drugs, alcohol and success - "it won't work for everyone. It worked for me". But that's just it, in a nutshell.          http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222
chemi-kali


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Posted : Dec 3, 2006 09:29
very interesting topic and am glad i actually read this but in a way evry one is entitled to what they believe and project it in their own thoughts...both sides of the topic is very fascinating...but we all have done it we all have enjoyed most of the times we did it and most of the times we didnt...its all upon our mind to how we react after the trip...today its acid tomorrow it'll be another drug another debate..
peace!!!
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