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The fallacy of the acid culture?
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day_tripper
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 16:45
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Nice views on both sides of the barricade!:)
All I can say is that Acid is not a drug, don't fuck around with it! use it with great respect! 
  "It's not the fall that kills you; it's the sudden stop at the end." - Douglas Adams |
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Kaz
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 21:44
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psyrexian
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 22:34
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i agree with day_tripper it is not a drug it is just a toy 4 your brain a psychological experience ... there is no high feeling by it self like with narcotics like coke or heroin ... you have just trriger a toy and you must create your own bliss you don't get it instant on a silver plate ...
so for heaven or for hell it is up to you and ofcourse other factors like people ,music ,setting ...are important
you can take heroin in the sewer or in the penthouse mansion it will
be the same feeling
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Freeflow
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 23:07
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i would call it a drug...
and there is a high feeling indeed, why does everybody smile? well not everybody, some are in deep fear!  hehe
a toy for your brain...
toys can be dangerous too
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Tris
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Posted : Dec 5, 2006 23:45
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Posted : Dec 6, 2006 00:00
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despite the crap that Thompson wrote about leary, for example the bit in fear and loathing about leary's fatal flaw, etc, he wrote a kindly eulogy when leary passed:
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I will miss Tim Leary - not for his wisdom or his beauty or his warped lust for combat or because of his wealth or his power or his drugs, but mainly because I won't hear his laughing voice on my midnight telephone anymore. Tim usually called around 2. It was his habit - one of many that we shared, and he knew I would be awake.
Tim and I kept the same hours. He believed, as I do, that "after midnight, all things are possible."
Just last week he called me on the phone at 2:30 in the morning and said he was moving to a ranch in Nicaraugua in a few days and would fax me the telephone number. Which he did. And I think he also faxed it to Dr. Kesey.
Indeed. There are many rooms in the mansion. And Tim was familiar with most of them. We will never know the range of his fiendish vision, or the many lives he was sucked into by his savage and unnatural passions.
We sometimes disagreed, but in the end we made our peace. Tim was a Chieftain. He Stomped on the Terra, and he left his elegant hoof prints on all our lives.
He is forgotten now but not gone. We will see him soon enough. Our tribe is now smaller by one. Our circle is one link shorter. And there is one more name on the honor roll of pure warriors who saw the great light and leapt for it.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Dec 6, 2006 01:21
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Freeflow
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"Fahey: If you had to do it all over again, is there anything you would do differently, substantially?
Leary: Damn right! I would have fucked more, taken more psychedelic drugs and spent more time with my family [laughter all around]."
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pH_
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Posted : Dec 6, 2006 03:20
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On 2006-12-04 15:17, Acidhive wrote:
Tell me how the fuck you know I'm not open minded? Is it because I don't like people who do drugs? In my point of view people who do drugs are weak, they can't have a good time without mind altering experiences. It makes them empty. A hollow shell which can only be filled up with drugs. I like to make friends without drugs, that way I know for sure they like me for what I am, and not because it was drug induced. Anyway, me not liking drug using people does NOT make me close minded. And please if you start throwing those terms around it means you are closing yourself to me as well, which, according to your brilliant reasoning was the thing you wouldn't do because you were so open minded.
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chill mate! i don't want to get involved in any school yard fight here.. but you need to not worry about others. who gives a fuck if other people make social bonds while on drugs? does it really affect you? should it affect you?
your thinking is closed minded in a sense because you think that people who use drugs are filling voids and are weak. i could bring up many references to scientists, musicians, politicans, etc who have used drugs. are they weak?
we would not have the DNA double helix if it were not for the inspiration and insight given by LSD.
i'm not trying to advocate drugs because quite frankly i couldnt give a flying fuck if you like to party sober, or like to party while tripping balls. it's your choice, and i respect that. that said, please, don't call me weak, a "shell", someone who fills a void, just because i chose to smoke a joint or have an interest in exploring my own mind, and the world around me.
thank you
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Dec 6, 2006 04:24
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Tell me how the fuck you know I'm not open minded? Is it because I don't like people who do drugs? In my point of view people who do drugs are weak, they can't have a good time without mind altering experiences. It makes them empty. A hollow shell which can only be filled up with drugs. I like to make friends without drugs, that way I know for sure they like me for what I am, and not because it was drug induced. Anyway, me not liking drug using people does NOT make me close minded. And please if you start throwing those terms around it means you are closing yourself to me as well, which, according to your brilliant reasoning was the thing you wouldn't do because you were so open minded.
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It's not just closed minded.. it's discrimination, it's not much different from being homophobic.
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On 2006-12-04 14:25, EYB wrote:
LSD and other psycedelics are not drugs as for example MDMA or speed is.
So we need to talk about two different things. Drugs are bad - Psychedelics are very good if they are used in a good way.
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Very true, couldn't have said it better myself!
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Kaz
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Posted : Dec 6, 2006 08:51
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I'm not saying this as someone inexperienced in the subject. If you think LSD is not a drug, then you are wrong. Sure, it can be viewed as a tool. So can Prozac, aka A DRUG. Theraputic value can be found in MDMA, THC, medicinal value in Cocaine, Ketamine, Amphetamine, and there are tons of others. They're still drugs. Leary's research on acid (at least at first) was as a psychiatric drug. Like any other drug, there are good and bad ways to use it, and other than the smugness and sense of spiritual superiority, I see no single attempt to explain otherwise. Quite frankly, I don't know what's more narrowminded - someone who totally goes against any form of drug use while thinking it's normal using cough medicine (which in 99.9% of the cases use ephidrines - related to speed, codeine - related to opium, DXM - evil-friggin'-psychedelic, or combinations thereof), or people willing to change their definition of "drug" just to keep themselves on moral high grounds.
And yes, at least I have the honesty to say - I did drugs. And it was enlightening, frightening, surprising, and most of all, fun. LSD is a drug, because nothing natural makes your brain work like that. It's that simple. http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222 |
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Raoul V
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Posted : Dec 6, 2006 09:19
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On 2006-12-04 15:17, Acidhive wrote:
Tell me how the fuck you know I'm not open minded? Is it because I don't like people who do drugs? In my point of view people who do drugs are weak, they can't have a good time without mind altering experiences. It makes them empty. A hollow shell which can only be filled up with drugs. I like to make friends without drugs, that way I know for sure they like me for what I am, and not because it was drug induced. Anyway, me not liking drug using people does NOT make me close minded. And please if you start throwing those terms around it means you are closing yourself to me as well, which, according to your brilliant reasoning was the thing you wouldn't do because you were so open minded.
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says someone called acidhive!! anyone see the irony here?
and as far as people saying lsd is not a drug, ur dillusional.. It may be a different drug, spriritual even, but it is a drug nontherless... theres a reason u cant buy it over a counter!! (atleast not where i live, fucking government m'o fo's) |
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day_tripper
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Posted : Dec 6, 2006 09:39
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On 2006-12-05 16:45, day_tripper wrote:
All I can say is that Acid is not a drug, don't fuck around with it! use it with great respect!
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Don't quote sentences half way through.
Well, if you get all technical with the usage of the term 'drug', then I guess I'm wrong. It is a drug. It definatly comes under a class of narcotics, and you can definatly get ur ass busted if 'they' find it on u!
.....Some got what I was trying to say; some didn't. Let it be that way.
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kazuku
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Posted : Dec 6, 2006 10:11
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LSD is a drug, because nothing natural makes your brain work like that. It's that simple.
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Actually its not that simple 
LSD, like related and naturally occuring psychotropic substances,(LSA, Psylocibin,Meskacaline, Iboga root, ayahuasca, oloiuqui and many more) can trigger experiences which can be experienced naturally by other means also:
Hypnosis
Meditation techniques of different kinds, mantra resonation, yoga postures
Braething exersises
Austerities
Prayer
Continous repetitive motion - drum and dance
Tantra
Near death experiences
Feeling and submitting to unconditional love
Sufi spinning techniques.....
Just to name a few examples.
The experience itself is very natural and human...LSD, like other things, can act as a trgger/catalyst.
It can be a drug but it can also be Huxeleys "Moksha medicine, manna" depending on the context in which it is used.
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Mushi
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Posted : Dec 6, 2006 12:39
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well the question
do u really change after
or u r still stuck in the same tannel repating the experience quite often to seek the light !!!!
its in ur hands
u don't to believe in such a person that leads ur way of thinking
open ur mind and expand
maybe we r too busy in this life which is about materalism and don't connect with ourselves quite good
so when we trip we realize the beauty of this universe
and the locked emitions flow Hunter expereinces r crazy mixing many kinds of drugs no one would ever know wat he felt
so i guess he didn't find the light lol in btw Las Vegas is not a place for psychadeleics lol
LSD is a drug but different in classfaction
not addictive so u fill the blanks some expereince good things and learn from it some just get lost in it |
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