THE CHANGE IS IN THE AIR

My main problem with proggy style 3 years ago was that too many productions sounded a little unprofessional, and music wise going nowhere - No Poenta to the tracks..

Since the this genre evolved a lot both production wise and in its musical content. After that long explanation I can easily agree with your statement - 3 years ago proggy music wasnt as thrilling and as versatile as today.

On 2006-01-12 03:34, huda-g wrote:
On 2006-01-10 02:41, Yuli wrote:

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My main problem with proggy style 3 years ago was that too many productions sounded a little unprofessional, and music wise going nowhere - No Poenta to the tracks.. Since the this genre evolved a lot both production wise and in its musical content. After that long explanation I can easily agree with your statement - 3 years ago proggy music wasnt as thrilling and as versatile as today.

yuli,i sugest u to go even ferther beck(more then 3 years) and get a hold of one or more of the early realises referd es "progressive trance" and get a clue of the essense of progressive trance,such es "head cleaner" by atmos(ground breaking) the first ticon albom,the first xv kilist albom the "progress in trance" compilation buy dj anti the first minilog albom,first relises buy iboga and interzon and meny more..

cuse i realy think that its not that the music was not highly produced or lame or bouring i think it was u that was not redy to exept it or to anderstand it,and what happend to u is i guess that u just opend your mind eventualy end evolved and saw whats in their and got huked.

cheers
huda-g,domorecords

On 2006-01-12 12:02, DJ Buju wrote:
Just a few of points i'd like to mention -

1) Yes for me the BPM playes a big factor.
I agree with you Yuli that what is inside the track matters as the context/Poenta is very important but really for the past 4-5 years I can't dance/listen for a long period of time to music thats in higher bpms ( And I ain't that old! ) something in my body just doesn't let me move so fast and seems to feel very uncomfortable.. now my head... hmm thats a different subject. as said good music is good music.

2) I must say that since 2000 iv been collecting & spinning prog and releases and production was always there imho ( you can always find the ones that suck in every genre ) i won't start going into mentioning my favs of that period as an example but as said before here a lot of albums were really crispy/fat/inspiring and to be honest i even miss some of these moments and sounds ( that might releate to certain memories and personal moments concerned with thats time thought as prog of today as become imo better production/quality ) like Pavel said I miss as well a bit of the old school tricks and hooks in todays prog but thats just based on albums like "the great unknown" and "Flying Rhino/Return To The Source" stuff and it's like being so different even with todays sound.

3) Here is my bottom line regarding the HYPE of the prog @ the moment.
I remember going to parties in Israel and of course in the UK and never able to dance and listen ( not to talk about dj ) the music that I and some of my closer friends like.
I always kept on going to parties ( after all one needs some ass shaking and excerise ) but as time went by I found myself becoming a drama queen bitching all the time about the music being so fast and how can people dance to these noises and i'm getting headaces and can't move my body and so on & so on...
BUT these days and for the past couple of years and going up things have changed! and why not ? change is a natural thing and we should all except it and I personaly love and even feel I/We prog lovers deserved it!
So I see in Israel proggy lines from here till pakistan and it makes me so happy.
I read reviews and see pics from parties like 3rd empire and it's like ( I know there is only one empire..hehe ) and i get goose bumps and go crazy about how i'm not in desert dancing with the tribe to the music that i like and to answer PinkE regarding the prog issue in europ well i can only comment about the UK after living here for a fair amount of time and it's only getting bigger and bigger ( Of course back in the flying rhino days it was also a major part of the scene ) these days we have prog lines happening very often with top djs from uk and outside. big promoters that used to do only commercial full-on nights now combine prog with the full-on so I think now everybody wants a slice of the cake...
Here i know it keeps me warm in the winter being able to go out and shake my booty to some deep slow grooves with a nice zubrowaka & apple juice in my hand

If all this period of prog being hayped/in fashion is a fase then so be it, for the moment I'm loving it and i was waiting for this period of time for many years. now it's just about enjoying it and what makes me so happy is the last point of my post which is "They don't hear it so they don't know it...."
I found for a very long time that when i played prog tunes @ home, parties, car, etc and my friends/work collegues/etc got to listen to the music so many of them just LOVED it! and i see it more and more in parties I play @ when people who never got into this style or heard things about it and just as mentioned were closed minded ( not talking about people who just don't like it ) then they listen and like i did and many others full in love with the music. and thats what i love even more about music in general. but especially prog!

Pff thats been long... my 2 cents

BUju

P.S. - best side of prog ? THE RATIO of man to women in the parties and thats a fact! now where are the i don't come for girls when i go party...hehe j/k

On 2006-01-12 14:55, Yuli wrote:

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On 2006-01-12 03:34, huda-g wrote: On 2006-01-10 02:41, Yuli wrote: Quote: My main problem with proggy style 3 years ago was that too many productions sounded a little unprofessional, and music wise going nowhere - No Poenta to the tracks.. Since the this genre evolved a lot both production wise and in its musical content. After that long explanation I can easily agree with your statement - 3 years ago proggy music wasnt as thrilling and as versatile as today. yuli,i sugest u to go even ferther beck(more then 3 years) and get a hold of one or more of the early realises referd es "progressive trance" and get a clue of the essense of progressive trance,such es "head cleaner" by atmos(ground breaking) the first ticon albom,the first xv kilist albom the "progress in trance" compilation buy dj anti the first minilog albom,first relises buy iboga and interzon and meny more.. cuse i realy think that its not that the music was not highly produced or lame or bouring i think it was u that was not redy to exept it or to anderstand it,and what happend to u is i guess that u just opend your mind eventualy end evolved and saw whats in their and got huked. cheers huda-g,domorecords

Hey mr. G that swings with the left...

As I stated in the phrase u have quoted MOST it means that there were amazing proggie CD's back then, yeah I heard them all... surprisingly... Atmos with his debut, Noma with quite a few tracks and Ticon, surely did the job, for heavens shake I even remixed a Ticon track some 4 years ago.

BUT I still state that MOST of the stuff released those days was experimental music of young artists at that field that still havent found the exact way to express themselves. Moreover, this so called 'minimal' style almost completely disappeared after the 2 years 'BANG' it did, I guess if it was evolving or produced better, it wouldnt disappear so fast.

And about my mind that is not evolved I would suggest u to listen to BLT - Alchemic Anecdote ( the track from the CD ) made almost 9 years ago and tell me if my mind is not evolved.

Uppercut?

On 2006-01-12 17:30, huda-g wrote:

and about u evolving i was refering to the time it took u to anderstand the and TOTALY be e progressive artist/lover/dj/dancer like the wey u r tudey!!! (wey to go!)

Apart of that I dont see anything bad in fast and strong psychedelic music as long as it is made with good taste ( almost none today ) .

For that reason ppl were encourage to turn over to progressive music !!!

On 2006-01-12 15:29, Nachummm wrote:

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On 2006-01-12 12:02, DJ Buju wrote: Just a few of points i'd like to mention - 1) Yes for me the BPM playes a big factor. I agree with you Yuli that what is inside the track matters as the context/Poenta is very important but really for the past 4-5 years I can't dance/listen for a long period of time to music thats in higher bpms ( And I ain't that old! ) something in my body just doesn't let me move so fast and seems to feel very uncomfortable.. now my head... hmm thats a different subject. as said good music is good music. 2) I must say that since 2000 iv been collecting & spinning prog and releases and production was always there imho ( you can always find the ones that suck in every genre ) i won't start going into mentioning my favs of that period as an example but as said before here a lot of albums were really crispy/fat/inspiring and to be honest i even miss some of these moments and sounds ( that might releate to certain memories and personal moments concerned with thats time thought as prog of today as become imo better production/quality ) like Pavel said I miss as well a bit of the old school tricks and hooks in todays prog but thats just based on albums like "the great unknown" and "Flying Rhino/Return To The Source" stuff and it's like being so different even with todays sound. 3) Here is my bottom line regarding the HYPE of the prog @ the moment. I remember going to parties in Israel and of course in the UK and never able to dance and listen ( not to talk about dj ) the music that I and some of my closer friends like. I always kept on going to parties ( after all one needs some ass shaking and excerise ) but as time went by I found myself becoming a drama queen bitching all the time about the music being so fast and how can people dance to these noises and i'm getting headaces and can't move my body and so on & so on... BUT these days and for the past couple of years and going up things have changed! and why not ? change is a natural thing and we should all except it and I personaly love and even feel I/We prog lovers deserved it! So I see in Israel proggy lines from here till pakistan and it makes me so happy. I read reviews and see pics from parties like 3rd empire and it's like ( I know there is only one empire..hehe ) and i get goose bumps and go crazy about how i'm not in desert dancing with the tribe to the music that i like and to answer PinkE regarding the prog issue in europ well i can only comment about the UK after living here for a fair amount of time and it's only getting bigger and bigger ( Of course back in the flying rhino days it was also a major part of the scene ) these days we have prog lines happening very often with top djs from uk and outside. big promoters that used to do only commercial full-on nights now combine prog with the full-on so I think now everybody wants a slice of the cake... Here i know it keeps me warm in the winter being able to go out and shake my booty to some deep slow grooves with a nice zubrowaka & apple juice in my hand If all this period of prog being hayped/in fashion is a fase then so be it, for the moment I'm loving it and i was waiting for this period of time for many years. now it's just about enjoying it and what makes me so happy is the last point of my post which is "They don't hear it so they don't know it...." I found for a very long time that when i played prog tunes @ home, parties, car, etc and my friends/work collegues/etc got to listen to the music so many of them just LOVED it! and i see it more and more in parties I play @ when people who never got into this style or heard things about it and just as mentioned were closed minded ( not talking about people who just don't like it ) then they listen and like i did and many others full in love with the music. and thats what i love even more about music in general. but especially prog! Pff thats been long... my 2 cents BUju P.S. - best side of prog ? THE RATIO of man to women in the parties and thats a fact! now where are the i don't come for girls when i go party...hehe j/k

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