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nahimoff
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Posted : Jan 9, 2006 19:40
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On 2006-01-09 17:47, Yuli wrote:
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On 2006-01-09 14:16, Yuli wrote:
But after all I guess it is matter of who is open minded and willing to accept the new and the different.
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I don't think so. It's all about taste. If someone doesn't like progressive he isn't close minded person.
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I disagree. Good music is good music that can be easily respected even tho if it is not THE style u like best. But when all genre is deleted without even considering to listen or comprehend I consider this to be closed minded. This has nothing to do with taste.
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Well Yuli i must disagree with you for the first time in long years! I still remember you talking bad and disqualifying proggy 2 years ago when you were into the more full on period of your life, in our private conversations you even bashed this genre as a boring and not going anywhere..
True it has evolved since then but still one cannot ignore the fact that taste in music as in any other art is subjective to personal views..
I dont think i need to "reveal" my musical preferences these days but nevertheless i would'nt go corking the full on and goa scene and genre so quickly cause fact is its still the most popular kind of trance related music in the world and it reflects mainly on dancefloors! With all due respect to our proggy scene its impossible to make a progressive only festival which will attract as much as full on festivals such as full moon or sonica this year.
And pinkE is right also about the voov the proggy part of the alternative floor is indeed getting smaller and smaller every year and even in its peak it was always with maximum half the size of the main full on floor (people wise)..
Proggy is indeed hype these days and as my personal favourite genre and the one im trying to promote I can only hope its here to stay and not going to be a passing fashion..
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Dj Kesta
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Posted : Jan 9, 2006 19:58
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And whats wrong with that?
Even if you are not a progy fan, hearing the same kind of music all night (and morning) is better?
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sometimes yes!
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sometimes perhaps, but usually it wont work.
Anyway, even though progy music isnt the dominant genere in the scene, it surely makes nice progress, if we are looking 2 years back (in terms of number of artists, releases and so) .
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Nathan
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Posted : Jan 9, 2006 20:08
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True.
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psychild
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Posted : Jan 9, 2006 22:05
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Proggy is indeed hype these days and as my personal favourite genre and the one im trying to promote I can only hope its here to stay and not going to be a passing fashion..
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it won't be if the artists don't recycle and get stuck on musical ideas that are working right now, but keep on pushing the music forward. Oviously this is easy to say for someone who doesn't produce and i'm only saying it from a listeners point of view but this is what happened to full on. Someone invented something that works and everyone kept building on that formula. Progressive is only progressive if it keeps going forward ya know 
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Yuli
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 02:41
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On 2006-01-09 19:40, nahimoff wrote:
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On 2006-01-09 17:47, Yuli wrote:
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On 2006-01-09 14:16, Yuli wrote:
But after all I guess it is matter of who is open minded and willing to accept the new and the different.
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I don't think so. It's all about taste. If someone doesn't like progressive he isn't close minded person.
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I disagree. Good music is good music that can be easily respected even tho if it is not THE style u like best. But when all genre is deleted without even considering to listen or comprehend I consider this to be closed minded. This has nothing to do with taste.
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Well Yuli i must disagree with you for the first time in long years! I still remember you talking bad and disqualifying proggy 2 years ago when you were into the more full on period of your life, in our private conversations you even bashed this genre as a boring and not going anywhere..
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I must say that u took my words back than out of their context - let me fix this a little bit... 2 or 3 years ago as BLT I made progressive music, I just made it over faster tempo's, but for me at that time ( today too ) the tempo wasnt the most important part, what inside the track was tho. My main problem with proggy style 3 years ago was that too many productions sounded a little unprofessional, and music wise going nowhere - No Poenta to the tracks..
Since the this genre evolved a lot both production wise and in its musical content. After that long explanation I can easily agree with your statement - 3 years ago proggy music wasnt as thrilling and as versatile as today.
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True it has evolved since then but still one cannot ignore the fact that taste in music as in any other art is subjective to personal views..
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It is, but one can dislike the genre but cant ignore the quality if there is quality there....
For example Nadi, I might not like Jazz music, but if I would hear some genious of that style, such as Dizzie Gillespie on the trumpet, I would recognize the quality in it, and surely wont disregard it as shit or boring or worthless. It is all matter of approach in my opinion.
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Yuli
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 02:48
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On 2006-01-09 18:36, Nathan wrote:
Yuli, we are tolking about 2 differant things.
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But when all genre is deleted without even considering to listen or comprehend I consider this to be closed minded. This has nothing to do with taste.
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True. But ppl that knows progressive, heard some Artists or tracks and after that don't like the music, they are not close minded. That is just not their taste.
An example: I gave a chance on listening to Dark psy music: Azax syndrome, seroxat. But 4 me this music is boring and I can't enjoy it. Am I close minded?
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As long as u dont disregard it u r not. I dont understand much in Dark Psy, but I happened to hear a Dark set from Zirkin last weekend ( or wasnt it dark hehe I dont really know what genre it was ) and most of it was totally not my taste. Never the less there were few tracks on that set that were really good, that made me dance and I appreciated the sound production and the ideas throughout the tracks.
But I get your point, u might be right on this
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Nathan
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 12:39
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Ok. I'm glad u understands me.
And yes. Loving music and appreciating it, doesn't has to come together. I aspirate very much Artist for the quality of their music (Ehud Banai for example), but I don't like it. It's not my cup of tea.
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Pavel
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 13:49
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Still waiting for an artist to recreate the intense psychedelic sound over low bpm like it was done by Koxbox on their Great Unknow album. For some reason most of today's progressive producers prefer the thin production and sacrifising richness to get the "fancy production" effect. Just my 2 cents here.
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Mat N
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 14:53
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On 2006-01-09 18:36, Nathan wrote:
An example: I gave a chance on listening to Dark psy music: Azax syndrome, seroxat. But 4 me this music is boring and I can't enjoy it. Am I close minded?
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just saw this example and had to say something:
imo, Seroxat and Azax Syndrom went in the full on direction over the last year, in the best case u can call it dark full on, so if u really want to give dark psy a proper chance i suggest u check out other stuff such as Megalopsy, Ocelot, Derango, Penta, Xenomorph etc..
interesting thread btw...
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Nathan
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 15:05
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Megalopsy, Ocelot, Derango, Penta, Xenomorph etc..
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I gave a chance to this to. This is not my taste. A good dark music that I like: Dark Soho,Triac, all the X dream Delta projects, and more....
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Mat N
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 15:10
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ofcourse, i'm with u on each one of the names u mentioned, but they are what we call tech-trance, which is much more appreciated by progressive fans because of it's low bpm (i think)
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Nathan
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 15:35
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In my case it's not about the bpm. It's the music Itself. Dark psy is to heavy for my mind.
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Yuli
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 17:05
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On 2006-01-10 15:10, Mat N wrote:
ofcourse, i'm with u on each one of the names u mentioned, but they are what we call tech-trance, which is much more appreciated by progressive fans because of it's low bpm (i think)
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Its because there is much more musical content and less randomality on the squeaks to those projects from the tech - trance genre. The BPM is not of great importance - it's whats inside that matters.
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acid abe
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 22:00
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Well i must add afew words to this conversation .
Any one who knows a few things a bout electronic music (i am sure we all do)would tall you that trance progressive music origin is actually from the house progressive music, there for in my opinion (and mine only) the trance progressive is more like house music than it is Goa trance or Full on trance .
Thats way i totally agree with pinkE when he wrote "progressive has seem to be more popular here since the older generation just cant handle the psychedelic and the rising of the BPM to more than 150... " that is so true dude there is an older generation that cant hold the high BPM.
It seems that the progressive music realy did change the sence, it would be stupid of me not to acknowledge it as much that i dont like it but i must say it did bring a new wave of trance ppl in to the sence on one hand, but it created some kind of weird expectation of perfection for "perfect and beautiful ppl" at trance parties and with that i dont agree .
My conclusion is (and mine only )that Goa and full on trance are here to stay and as long they are around trance progressive music has the clarity to exist .
All the best
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Nathan
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 23:17
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Well. As I see progressive; there are 2 styles.
1. Comer & liter on many tracks from this style you can find pads as a bass lines. This style is good for home listening or traveling, and even better as party opener!
Antix, Minilogue, Behind Blue Eyes...
2. Powerful and fatter
Has a strong bass line; more psychedelic and sometimes you can find yourself Dancing like its full on (like guy cohen said once.)
Yotopia, Freq!!! Liquid soul
I must admit that I am more of the 2nd style person.
I was once on party from the 1st style and it is nice and fun, but the 2nd is better.
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