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sponsors like CocaCola in Private Party? What?
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clown
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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 00:43
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On 2005-07-04 23:28, björn wrote:
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On 2005-07-04 21:18, clown wrote:
i should have read the topic in that case.. hehehe.. J
Its hard for me to explain, but i think we should be more open minded to companies such as coke (for sponsorships only) because it can help our "visibility" as a scene and maybe one day get many people to attend and keep an interest in psytrance.. There is alot of talent in psytrance, and most of it goes to waste due to lack of exposure.. (that is where the sponsor helps out).. just the fact that coke has a logo on such a flyer will grab the "masses" interest...
anyways, whatever.. do as you please and complain that CD's arent selling and that our parties are empty.. hum, i wounder why..???
to each there own..
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Are you serious? Should the psy scene be more openminded towards companys like Coca Cola? What kind of clown are you? Ronald Macdonald?
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Im the kind of clown that smiles at new idea's.. not one of those angry clown's who's pissed off about things..
and i don't see this as selling out either.. coke is an established company, very well marketed and i think it could help market psytrance... yeah, market psytrance.. you know, so like, people can listen to it and stuff... so like, good artists can make a living with the music they love to produce.. im not saying that only parties with skazi should be sponord by coke and im not saying all parties should be sponord by coke, but i can see how it can help our scene and bigger festivals.. if people only see it as negative, then that's cool.. no one's forcing a can down your mouth.
and about coke not giving a damn about psytrance.. well, psytrance doesn't even give a damn about psytrance.. everyone tries to screw eachother, nobody buy's music anymore.. everyone wants to get into psy parties for free because they are "cool"...
bahh, your right, psy parties don't need coke sponsors after all.. maybe the LSD king should sponsor psytrance.. cause lsd cares about psytrance right???
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 01:23
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why do you want to market psytrance? what exactly is your motivation? what are you trying to achieve? and can you picture the result if it becomes reality? do you think the "masses" or the "sponsors" are going to want to listen to Midi Miliz or Opsis or Kindzadza?
ha.
think again, my friend.
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gaspard
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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 01:27
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On 2005-07-05 00:33, clown wrote:
what is psytrance??? some sort of cult?? lord, this is the year 2005 now.. hehe
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dude if you see having values as a sign of being part of a cult.... you need to grow up a bit!
as for the last post you wrote i m too shocked to answer now and stay polite!
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clown
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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 01:54
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ahh well then.. i give up. you win..
sorry for being honest and giving my thoughts about this. if its making people angry then im sure your misinterpreting my opinion. maybe then, i am still young and don't realise what the true meaning of psytrance is then.. i didnt' think psytrance was a religion, i thought it was music. Music is meant to be heard. You need people listening though...
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clown
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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 01:56
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björn
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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 01:56
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On 2005-07-05 00:43, clown wrote:
Im the kind of clown that smiles at new idea's.. not one of those angry clown's who's pissed off about things..
and i don't see this as selling out either.. coke is an established company, very well marketed and i think it could help market psytrance... yeah, market psytrance.. you know, so like, people can listen to it and stuff... so like, good artists can make a living with the music they love to produce.. im not saying that only parties with skazi should be sponord by coke and im not saying all parties should be sponord by coke, but i can see how it can help our scene and bigger festivals.. if people only see it as negative, then that's cool.. no one's forcing a can down your mouth.
and about coke not giving a damn about psytrance.. well, psytrance doesn't even give a damn about psytrance.. everyone tries to screw eachother, nobody buy's music anymore.. everyone wants to get into psy parties for free because they are "cool"...
bahh, your right, psy parties don't need coke sponsors after all.. maybe the LSD king should sponsor psytrance.. cause lsd cares about psytrance right???
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This last post of yours is really strange and weird. Are you a very young person?
Anyway, here is a link I posted a few pages back: http://www.mindfully.org/Water/2005/India-Coca-Cola-Pepsi14mar05.htm
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clown
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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 02:05
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i never said coke were angels.. what they do behind the scenes is there business.. do you know how many people die from drug abuse per year?? People might even say that psytrance parties and other raves promote drug use. Should we now boycott the raves because innocent people get influenced into trying new drugs and end up dying because of it?? it might not be the best example, but i find it relevent none the less..
You don't have to drink the cola, but if you can't see how it can help parties gain new crowds (even if they are those evil coke drinkers, not those peaceful coke sniffers), then its your lose in the end.
and im 23 if you really must know. 
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 02:27
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Do you really think that more discerning party people will show up to the party because it's sponsored by Coca Cola??
i doubt it. and yes, I prefer to stay underground, thanks very much.
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clown
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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 02:37
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On 2005-07-05 02:27, DiMiTry wrote:
Do you really think that more discerning party people will show up to the party because it's sponsored by Coca Cola??
i doubt it. and yes, I prefer to stay underground, thanks very much.
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Yes, acctually i do.. People like routin, and if they see something they recognise, such as coke, they might just get attracted... Anyone know how many can's of coke are sold worldwide in one year?? well, imagine if all those people who buy coke picked up a flyer just because they saw a coke logo on it and end up comming down to the festival itself.. okay, they might not be elitist psyfreaks, but they are still humains none the less who are there to have a good time. In this case, coke is used as an "insurance" of a good time.. people might ask themselves, "well, if coke sponsored such an event, then it must be something quality, big and expensive".. Because coke wouldn't waste there time with an intimate little gathering of 100 friends (not that i don't like those types of gatherings, its just an example)..
and im glad to see people still want to stay underground.. The underground has there advantages also because you get exactly the vibe you want etc...
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Posted : Jul 6, 2005 04:51
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do you think that if the underground became commercial there would be no underground?
please, ppl like these parties because they can be who they want to be & enjoy good music & company without being criticised.
if all parties were made commercial a new undrground would form. i guess that's the way psy was meant to be.
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Posted : Jul 14, 2005 13:49
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On 2005-06-22 19:58, Psycosmo wrote:
Way to go BAPHOMET_ENGINE! While I am not terribly informed about the Coca-Cola corp and how it operates, I think its great that you stood up for your ethical principals. The point isnt even whether what CocaCola does is so bad as it is that YOU were not comfortable with it and YOU did the right thing by not supporting something you had a bad feeling about. If more people were in the habit of refusing money when they considered its source shady, then the world would probably be a better place.
@Detox: I think having a big sponsor is most certainly a bad thing. Psytrance is supposed to be spritual and there is nothing less spiritual than a big multinational corporation. Knowing how you feel about corporations now Im going to feel much less guilt when I hear you rail against MP3!
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Let me state this and i will leave it alone. I can see your point on large corporate sponsorship but also look on the side of the artists that are struggling to be known. It is with large sponsorship that a lot of the big festivals get going. I personally have used people like Bacardi and Dr Pepper and a couple others to do benefit parties here with great success, both to the artists, (who actually got paid correctly) , to the benefactor of the festival in which case my cause is Make A Wish Foundation for terminally ill children. Without the heavy sponsorship these parties would not happen. On the other hand i will not bow down to a corporate sponsor dictating to me what or when or where i do a party. That is removing the spirit of the festival. It should be that point that people draw the line, not randomly condemming all corporate sponsorship. Our parties (2 a year) average around 50,000.00 to be donated to that foundation. without the sponsorship that amount of money is just not possible. Look at both sides before making a decision. I totally respect Bahomet Engine in thier assessment of thier situation. It would piss me off too. But in the end, its all about the music........
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karmicvibes
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Posted : Jul 14, 2005 14:24
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Firstly, when trance events are organised, there are more likeness of losing money. Organisers dont wanna bear the cost of other people having fun where for the next two months the org has to think twice if he is gonna do something. Look at these corps as people who are helping us out to keep the vibes and culture alive. I deal with coca cola and they dont demand anything. They dont ask to have stalls in the venue at all. All they ask is to have thier logo on our fliers and posters. I feel proud when they want to assoicate with our culture. If you dont like the drink dont drink it... no ones forcing it down your throat. If it was not for these sponosrs, i wont be able to do what i am doing in the south of india and trust me i'll go mad if i dont have parties...
so all i ask is to look at it both ways as in they helping us to keep the vibes a live.
I too respect Bahomet Engine in thier assessment of thier situation but rememebr that the orgs told ya that its a private party and you came to know that it was not.... anyhow live and let live...
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jul 14, 2005 18:31
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I bring you Peace, Wisdom, Enlightenment.
Sponsored by Coca Cola.
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Posted : Jul 14, 2005 20:35
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I think everyone has a different idea of what psy trance is. IMHO it is a semantical issue, since we attach different meanings to the same scene/word/experience.
I think everyone should keep on doing what we believe in. This is what is important. Let the consciences and results dictate the actions. We do not need to polarize into a confrontation, which brings nothing but rage and destruction. And this thread is an example of it. It really divided us further.
I said it in a thread about Infected Mushroom. "But, IMHO if suddenly we have 1300 heads inspired and 200 of those want to see how deep the rabbit whole can go... then I can start thinking about getting some of my good friends coming to South Fla. It is the spark that will ignite it all. And I am thankful some ppl took the time and money to do it. " We need to work all together. We can judge (I am guilty) but the truth is we are all made for different purposes and have ultimatelly different perceptions and come from different realities... but in our hearts (to the risk of sounding corny) we have the same exact feeling. ANd that is why we are in this forum and we do parties and love the music and its ppl.
Lets create our own happiness the way we believe in it... looking only forward. Before we know it, happiness will be happening all around us, and nobody will be able to destroy that what we have built. |
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BAPHOMET_ENGINE
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Posted : Jul 20, 2005 10:42
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is very very good to see many opnions here
it's showing how this problem is one true problem !!!
we need open our minds for this problems
and music is not only music
and bla bla bla
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