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frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 3, 2014 17:54
we're talking little differences in sound here, that will only become apparent on very good systems and for well trained ears.

I can't see how someone would go wrong with an RME interface for music production. The driver stability is a factor for most people, and RME delivers on this department.

I'd be happy using for most of my stuff, then presumably use some hardware gear that costs more mainly for summing and injecting some character, rather then the precision of the converters alone.

API is far from being transparent, it's got a very peculiar sound and to my mind ranks high on the coloration department for those who manage to have the buck to spend of course. But yeah, provided you do, it's great! Even the 500 series is a good investment imo!

So this is the kind of thread where everyone seems to be right. For normal producers that are producing on their bedroom, RME is a very good interface to have, very reliable, very short latency, a number of connections, and those analysis tools are cool to!
Suloo
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Posted : Mar 3, 2014 23:29
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On 2014-03-03 17:54, frisbeehead wrote:
we're talking little differences in sound here, that will only become apparent on very good systems and for well trained ears.

I can't see how someone would go wrong with an RME interface for music production. The driver stability is a factor for most people, and RME delivers on this department.

I'd be happy using for most of my stuff, then presumably use some hardware gear that costs more mainly for summing and injecting some character, rather then the precision of the converters alone.

API is far from being transparent, it's got a very peculiar sound and to my mind ranks high on the coloration department for those who manage to have the buck to spend of course. But yeah, provided you do, it's great! Even the 500 series is a good investment imo!

So this is the kind of thread where everyone seems to be right. For normal producers that are producing on their bedroom, RME is a very good interface to have, very reliable, very short latency, a number of connections, and those analysis tools are cool to!



+1

also the routing matrix is pretty neat..
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Soundmagus
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Posted : Mar 6, 2014 15:48
RME Soundcards are excellent.

Been using them for over 10 years, their AD/DA convertors are actually excellent and the internal routing is sublime.

In the up to £1000 there really inst anything that comes close imo.

Mark           Check out my site for Video tutorials and other tips & Tricks

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snowdogg
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Posted : Mar 6, 2014 22:08
id love an rme soundcard, the software metering is really nice and only available to rme users..

izotope has a nice one i have yet to check out, insight i thnk?
UnderTow


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Posted : Mar 7, 2014 14:59
A bit of a reality check here. What is the goal of producing psytrance? To play live or get your stuff played by DJs. If you play live you can chose whichever converters you want but it surely won't be Lavry, DAD, Prism etc... For DJs, it is mostly CDJ converters or one of the Traktor interfaces. I am yet to see a DJ bring his Lavry Gold's to a gig. And then we haven't even touched on the effect of the tempo/pitch changing while DJing which has a greater impact than most modern converters.

RME interfaces have good converters. They do differ in quality from the Babyface (with the low-end roll-off) to the ADI-8 series but, excepting the Babyface, all are more than good enough for professional grade quality recordings and playback. RME converters are used in many commercial studios and are all over the place in broadcast chains. These are definitely not "bedroom" converters.

I have personally compared the Fireface 400 to my Prism converters and although there is a difference, it is certainly not night and day. More like 99%. If your music doesn't sound good, you can't blame an RME interface for that.

These days there are many converters that sound good enough for production purposes. As others have mentioned, stability, latency and CPU load of the interface affect your work every day. Especially with electronic music production where we use loads of synths and FX plugins. This discussion and the table in the first post is a great resource to see how the drivers of interfaces affect latency and CPU load: http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/618474-audio-interface-low-latency-performance-data-base.html

I hope this helps,

UnderTow


Suloo
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Posted : Mar 7, 2014 18:43
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On 2014-03-07 14:59, UnderTow wrote:
A bit of a reality check here. What is the goal of producing psytrance? To play live or get your stuff played by DJs. If you play live you can chose whichever converters you want but it surely won't be Lavry, DAD, Prism etc... For DJs, it is mostly CDJ converters or one of the Traktor interfaces. I am yet to see a DJ bring his Lavry Gold's to a gig. And then we haven't even touched on the effect of the tempo/pitch changing while DJing which has a greater impact than most modern converters.

RME interfaces have good converters. They do differ in quality from the Babyface (with the low-end roll-off) to the ADI-8 series but, excepting the Babyface, all are more than good enough for professional grade quality recordings and playback. RME converters are used in many commercial studios and are all over the place in broadcast chains. These are definitely not "bedroom" converters.

I have personally compared the Fireface 400 to my Prism converters and although there is a difference, it is certainly not night and day. More like 99%. If your music doesn't sound good, you can't blame an RME interface for that.

These days there are many converters that sound good enough for production purposes. As others have mentioned, stability, latency and CPU load of the interface affect your work every day. Especially with electronic music production where we use loads of synths and FX plugins. This discussion and the table in the first post is a great resource to see how the drivers of interfaces affect latency and CPU load: http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/618474-audio-interface-low-latency-performance-data-base.html

I hope this helps,

UnderTow






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ansolas
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Posted : Mar 8, 2014 11:28
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On 2014-03-07 14:59, UnderTow wrote:
If your music doesn't sound good, you can't blame an RME interface for that.


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moleqlarsuperstructure
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Posted : Mar 9, 2014 04:30
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For DJs, it is mostly CDJ converters or one of the Traktor interfaces. I am yet to see a DJ bring his Lavry Gold's to a gig.






man. i know some dudes. they always bring fireface 800 and 3-band chinch cables (each for 700 bucks(just the cable)) and yes they sound better mostly           
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Suloo
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Posted : Mar 9, 2014 08:14


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snowdogg
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Posted : Mar 9, 2014 15:17
moleqlarsuperstructure - yea im sure that cable makes all the (placebo) difference in the world!
moleqlarsuperstructure
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Posted : Mar 9, 2014 15:25
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On 2014-03-09 15:17, snowdogg wrote:
moleqlarsuperstructure - yea im sure that cable makes all the (placebo) difference in the world!



dude i also was stucking and said this is placebo. i had hours of discussion what douchebag he is to buy cables for such a price. till i heard this cables. the only reason though why they are so expensive is there are not much producers so they can value a lot. like a lexikon hall plugin for 5000 bucks or some stuff...

and really i did not believe it till i heard it on a funktion one system...... i never would buy it... but if they have the change ... go for it...

and just wanted to say that there are really DJs out there taking the gear on stage and using it.           
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 9, 2014 15:43
that's an interesting story...

but how can you be sure you were impressed with the sound of cables and not the sound itself? cables are cables, the best you can get with them is not to notice them at all, no noise, no interferences, no nothing, just pure signal.

wouldn't recommend the cheapest ones on the market though, it's asking for trouble
UnderTow


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Posted : Mar 9, 2014 16:54
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On 2014-03-09 15:25, moleqlarsuperstructure wrote:
the only reason though why they are so expensive is there are not much producers so they can value a lot.



There are only a few producers of wire in the world. The expensive cable manufacturers buy their wire from these same producers just like everyone else. They just put fancy jackets and connectors on the wire and then charge loads of money to gullible people with more cents than sense.

UnderTow
moleqlarsuperstructure
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Posted : Mar 9, 2014 17:24
yeah i thought that also with the cables.


hmm how can i be sure.... he talks about he has a cable that splits the lows the mids and the highs...

he also played on system, he didnt notice anything... but on the function one.... it was after a whole night sound. in the morning and everyone heard that his sound definitelly was more brilliant then others before.... since then i believe this story i let you know about those wires when i get some infos           
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 9, 2014 19:16
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On 2014-03-07 14:59, UnderTow wrote:


These days there are many converters that sound good enough for production purposes.




they all sound good enought...even a 200 or 300 euros sound card,rme you pay for the drivers and the name, sound wise some card costing half sound in same league, (that probably use the same converter chip as rme? not sure how it can affect the sound, i guess even high end converter use same chip?)
about rme adi converters that i have used for years ,for profesionnal mastering or guys that record a lot of synth, better converters can worht it imo

for itb production converters juste have very little influence on the sound that probably dont matter at all but for guys that spend lot of money on gears and studio , or even pro studio saving cash on convertion (there is many ) it s a shame to me

the diff is aslo not 99% ,the few blind shoutout i have seen on gearslutz ,rme and similar priced or cheaper brands were always in the less prefered one / in the lasts
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