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PoM
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Posted : Feb 26, 2014 11:36
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here i past you ad/da loop test from gearslutz compared to the unconverted file result : so it go from the most neutral to the less..sound always deciding factor offcourse..as some converter have nice little color that can be welcome but it will give bad result in test like this (look at orpheus that imo sound good and slay some rme but is far from the top )..neutral is good for mastering but for the rest it s debatable..but rme tend to make stuff sound unpleasant, clinical from my experience ..and this is far from neutral i call it bad color.. it s opposite of musical sound... rme that sound great is a myth from guys that never used anyhting better i think.. look at baby face? it s the one with roll of in the low , it s last 
this test don t say anything about sound..just the converters that color the less on ad/da loops so it s to take with a grain of salt..
but seeing some motu performing almost in same league as hilo and metric halo uln 8 in this test make me sure curious to try these..as it would be the best bang for the buck for the numer of i/o by far (dunno why but some converters like lavry black, uln8 ect are missing..i probably ddint copy/past the right post)
Lynx Hilo (CoolColJ)
-0,1 dB (L), -0,1 dB (R) Corr Depth: 41,8 dB (L), 43,7 dB (R), Difference: -56,8 dBFS (L), -57,2 dBFS (R)
MOTU 2408mk3 (ram75)
0,1 dB (L), 0,1 dB (R) Corr Depth: 36,3 dB (L), 37,9 dB (R) Difference: -55,80 dBFS (L), -56,9 dBFS (R)
MOTU 24I/O (Zam on Pragmatic Audio)
0,1dB (L), 0,1dB (R)..Corr Depth: 36,3 dB (L), 37,9 dB (R) Difference: -56,0 dB (L), -56,7 dB (R)
MOTU 24I/O (ram75)
0,1 dB (L), 0,1 dB (R) Corr Depth: 36,3 dB (L), 37,9 dB (R) Difference: -55,80 dBFS (L), -56,8 dBFS (R)
MOTU 828mk2 (laurend)
6,1 dB (L), 6,2 dB (R) Corr Depth: 36,4 dB (L), 37,9 dB (R) Difference: -55.7 dBFS (L) -57.0 dBFS (R)
Mytek 8 x 192 (MainTime)
0,4 dB (L), 0,5 dB (R) Corr Depth: 35,3 dB (L), 36,9 dB (R) Difference: -55.2 dBFS (L) -56.0 dBFS (R)
Aurora 8 (cylens)
-0,1 dB (L), -0,1 dB (R) Corr Depth: 34,6 dB (L), 36,3 dB (R) Difference: -54.2 dBFS (L) -55.1 dBFS (R)
Lynx Aurora 16 (Touf on Pragmatic Audio)
-0,1dB (L), -0,1dB (R)..Corr Depth: 34,6 dB (L), 36,3 dB (R) Difference -54,2 dBFS (L) , -55,1 dBFS (R)
ESI Juli@ XTe (DUJS)
-0,4 dB (L), 0,0 dB (R) Corr Depth: 32,7 dB (L), 34,3 dB (R) Difference: -52,3 dBFS (L), -53,5 dBFS (R)
TC Electronics Impact Twin (AndG)
-0,4dB (L), 0,0dB (R) Corr Depth: 32,0 dB (L), 33,6 dB (R) Difference: -51.7 dBFS (L) -52.7 dBFS (R)
RME HDSP 9632 (schtim)
0,5 dB (L), 0,5 dB (R) Corr Depth: 31.4 dB (L), 33.0 dB (R) Difference: -51.2 dBFS (L) -52.1 dBFS (R)
Prism Orpheus (MainTime)
0,1 dB (L), 0,1 dB (R) Corr Depth: 30,8 dB (L), 32,4 dB (R) Difference: -51.1 dBFS (L) -52.4 dBFS (R)
MOTU Track16 (EvgenyStudio)
7,0 dB (L), 6,9 dB Corr Depth: 30,0 dB (L), 31,5 dB (R) Difference: -50,4 dBFS (L), -51,6 dBFS (R)
RME Fireface 400 (didier.brest)
0,3 dB (L), 0,3 dB (R) Corr Depth: 30,2 dB (L), 31,8 dB (R) Difference: -49.8 dBFS (L) -50.8 dBFS (R)
TC Electronics Impact Twin (Coucou)
Corr Depth: 29,1 dB (L), 30,4 dB (R) Difference: -48,9 dBFS (L), -49,2 dBFS (R)
TC Electronics Impact Twin (ben)
Corr Depth: 29,1 dB (L), 30,8 dB (R) Difference: -48,7 dBFS (L), -49,7 dBFS (R)
Echo Audiofire 12 (guze)
0,7 dB (L), 0,7 dB (R) Corr Depth: 28,8 dB (L), 30,1 dB (R) Difference: -48.4 dBFS (L) -49.2 dBFS (R)
E-MU 1616m, left channel only (ben)
-0,4 dB (L), Corr Depth: 28,9 dB (L) Difference: -45,9 dBFS (L)
Apogee Rosetta 800 (davidbayle)
Corr Depth: 39,7 dB (L), 41,7 dB (R) Difference: -45,9 dBFS (L), -45,8 dBFS (R)
Apogee Symphony I/O (Ajantis)
0,0 dB (L), 0,0 dB (R) Corr Depth: 43,4 dB (L), 45,6 dB (R) Difference: -45,9 dBFS (L), -45,5 dBFS dB (R)
Echo Audiofire 4 (david1103)
0,5 dB (L), 0,4 dB Corr Depth: 25,6 dB (L), 27,4 dB (R) Difference: -45,2 dBFS (L), -46,3 dBFS (R)
Metric Halo ULN-2 (DownSideUp)
Corr Depth: 25,3 dB (L), 26,9 dB (R) Difference: -44,9 dB (L), 46,0 dB (R)
Universal Audio Apollo Quad (davidbayles)
Corr Depth: 26,5 dB (L), 28,0 dB (R) Difference: -42,7 dBFS (L), -43,0 dBFS (R)
RME Multiface II - Unbalanced, -10 dBV (juki, Audiofanzine)
Corr Depth: 22,7 dB (L), 24,4 dB (R) Difference: -42,4 dBFS (L) -43,5 dBFS (R)
RME Fireface 800 (genelec79)
Corr Depth: 22,3 dB (L), 23,9 dB (R) Difference: -41,9 dB (L), -43,0 dB (R)
RME Multiface II - Balanced, 4 dBu (juki, Audiofanzine)
Corr Depth: 22,3 dB (L), 23,9 dB (R) Difference: -41,9 dBFS (L) -43,0 dBFS (R)
MOTU Traveler MK1 (sinebox)
Corr Depth: 22,2 dB (L), 23,9 dB (R) Difference: -41,8 dBFS (L), -42,9 dBFS (R)
Echo Audiofire 8 non adat CS4272 (guze)
0,8 dB (L), 0,9 dB (R) Corr Depth: 26,4 dB (L), 28,2 dB (R) Difference: -40.6 dBFS (L) -40.6 dBFS (R)
Apogee Duet2 (isma)
1,0 dB (L), 0,9 dB (R) Corr Depth: 19,8 dB (L), 21,4 dB (R) Difference: -40.2 dBFS (L) -41.6 dBFS (R)
Avid Mbox 3 (Coucou)
Corr Depth: 21,8 dB (L), 23,6 dB (R) Difference: -39,7 dBFS (L), -40,3 dBFS (R)
ECHO INDIGO io (bezen4uk)
Corr Depth: 26,1 dB (L), 27,8 dB (R) Difference: -40,5 dB (L), 40,5 dB (R)
Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 DSP (CoolColJ), first 45s part disregarded
5,2 dB (L), 5,2 dB (R) Corr Depth: 20,2 dB (L), 22,0 dB (R) Difference: -38,9 dBFS (L), -39,9 dBFS (R)
RME Fireface UFX, XLR outputs 1-2 to TRS inputs 3-4 (didier.brest)
0,8 dB (L), 0,7 dB (R) Corr Depth: 18,5 dB (L), 20,1 dB (R) Difference: -38,9 dBFS (L), -40,3 dBFS (R)
Antelope Orion (davidbayle)
Corr Depth: 19,2 dB (L), 20,7 dB (R) Difference: -38,9 dBFS (L), -39,9 dBFS (R)
RME Fireface UFX, TRS outputs 5-6 to TRS inputs 3-4 (didier.brest)
0,7 dB (L), 0,7 dB (R) Corr Depth: 18,4 dB (L), 20,1 dB (R) Difference: -38,8 dBFS (L), -40,3 dBFS (R)
Yamaha Steinberg MR816X (didier.brest)
1,1 dB (L), 0,6 dB (R) Corr Depth: 19,1 dB (L), 21,0 dB (R) Difference: -38.6 dBFS (L) -40.0 dBFS (R)
Focusrite Forte (Coucou)
Corr Depth: 18,3 dB (L), 19,8 dB (R) Difference: -38,3 dBFS (L), -39,4 dBFS (R)
Focusrite Liquid Saffire 56, Line output to microphone input + pad (Melodeath)
0,2 dB (L), 0,2 dB (R) Corr Depth: 17,9 dB (L), 19,3 dB (R) Difference: -37,9 dBFS (L) -38,9 dBFS (R)
Lavry Blue (Touf on Pragmatic Audio)
Modes Crystal and Narrow : 0,2 dB (L), 0,2 dB (R)..Corr Depth: 16,8 dB (L), 18,3 dB (R) Difference -36,5 dBFS (L) , -37,5 dBFS (R)
Mode Wide: Corr Depth: 16,8 dB (L), 18,3 dB (R) Diff. -36,4 dBFS (L) , -37,6 dBFS (R)
RME Fireface UFX, XLR outputs 1-2 to XLR preamp inputs 9-10 (didier.brest)
0,5 dB (L), 0,4 dB (R) Corr Depth: 14,7 dB (L), 16,2 dB (R) Difference -35,03 dBFS (L) -36,30 dBFS (R)
Edirol FA-66 (didier.brest)
1,0 dB (L), 0,6 dB (R) Corr Depth: 15,6 dB (L), 17,1 dB (R) Difference: -34.4 dBFS (L) -35.4 dBFS (R)
Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 (EvgenyStudio)
15,5 dB (L), 15,5 dB (R)Corr Depth: 19,3 dB (L), 23,6 dB (R) Difference: -31,8 dBFS (L), -31,1 dBFS (R)
RME Babyface (didier.brest)
0,6 dB (L), 0,7 dB (R) Corr Depth: 9,2 dB (L), 10,8 dB (R) Difference: -28.8 dBFS (L) -29.8 dBFS (R) |
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Medea
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Posted : Feb 26, 2014 12:00
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 26, 2014 12:13
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api a2d if you want something good to record your synths...or even your plugins with a loop and make these sound better with api opamp color and transformer that you can drive.. but after it s taste not everyone like api $$$$ sound and it s expensive ... but for one who like it, find around 1200 dollars second hand, it s good buy imo |
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Babaluma
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Posted : Feb 26, 2014 12:41
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Posted : Feb 26, 2014 15:19
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Posted : Feb 26, 2014 18:28
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On 2014-02-25 22:50, Suloo wrote:
i`m surprised cause i think motu sounds pretty mumphy somehow..
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Not that I doubt the ad/da converters on RME, as a matter of fact I am indeed inspired to buy myself RME when the money is there, but as far as my MOTU is concerned it works great for live acts and is far from "mumphy"... I'd say for the price, MOTU has some pretty good hardware and is an alternative for RME if you are poor... Is it as good as RME? I highly doubt it, as a matter of fact I am sure it is not, but hey, it's still pretty good...
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Medea
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Posted : Feb 26, 2014 19:05
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I have had MOTU soundcard before RME. As for the sound - they are different, RME is better, but not significantly. The sound of RME is a bit more transparent imho. But MOTU behaved very buggy with my PC (drivers?), so i sold it...
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Posted : Feb 27, 2014 02:21
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I have a fireface uc and i'm very happy with it. Didn't expect less too be honest, for that price. (upgraded from old tascam us 122).
No offense but if you don't know what latency is maybe you should wait a little.
Just think about it if you really need it.
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 27, 2014 13:54
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On 2014-02-26 19:05, Medea wrote:
I have had MOTU soundcard before RME. As for the sound - they are different, RME is better, but not significantly. The sound of RME is a bit more transparent imho. But MOTU behaved very buggy with my PC (drivers?), so i sold it...
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Medea what motu model did you have? just to check if it s one of the top of the list i posted ..then it would be deciving
something too, when switching interface new one feel often better sounding..just cause placebo effect or it can be a new slighty different sound that what you were used too.., when doing blind comparaison of recording with abx the difference can be very small and it can be really suprising...no saying it s what happened but i know it happen from doing tests, our brain influence so much what we ear that to compare converters you have to do abx blind test otherwise not only earing let you judge the sound.. just cause one paid his new card more expensive and are happy to have it , just cause it s new..just cause it look good..just cause it s a praised brand.. stuff like that can make us feel it sound better, placebo .
i think our brain filter everything we ear ..and knowing how it can influence us can be imo a big plus for better production |
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Medea
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Posted : Feb 27, 2014 16:38
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My opinion about converters this days is that the quality of conversion should be the least important or the lest thing on your list when it comes to improving the sound of your mixing/mastering environment. The sound of the sound cards is coming from the analog side of the electronics and not the chip set itself. There are few ad/da chips manufacturers i.e. akm, cirrus, texas instruments, and more or less all the sound card manufacturers use them so.. For the price of the RME Fireface UFX, i would rather upgrade the speakers first, improve the room with absorption and diffusion, and get a Cambidge Audio DAC magic plus, or other audiophile converter. I like the 'sound' of the DA on the Native Instruments soundcards. If you are producing ITB, just look for stable drivers, and audio connections that you need. Recording side its bit more tricky, or the AD side, and here the quality of the converters play bigger role, but not when recording synths, more when you are using microphones, but to many elements are there before the converter.
Better converters have better stereo image, more detail, even more punch, but you need great monitors in a great room so you will be able to tell the difference.. Till than buy something cheap, like traktor2 control, its decent quality, stable drivers, super for live gigs, all you need for trance..
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 27, 2014 23:57
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yes i think better stick to cheap stuff like eco and if one want to upgrade go directly to pro stuff..but between there is not much point to me, even cheap stuff is good enought for making electronic music..i m not even sure a sound interface is needed these day if one don t record anyhting the computer output might sound decent enough to get really good production..
then if you want to spend some cash , don t want any lose of quality buy pro converters, the one like the api can make still a good difference when recording a lot of stuff , these give you really high quality preamps and nice color if needed and conversion |
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Posted : Feb 28, 2014 09:09
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On 2014-02-26 11:36, PoM wrote:
rme that sound great is a myth from guys that never used anyhting better i think..
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lol, pretty arrogant statement actualy..so all happy RME users do not know what sounds good or what. ridiculous..
sure there might be other stuff that sounds good, or colours in a different way..wich you might prefer, but this is very subjective..
cannot speak for the babyface (never heard it), but that device shouldn`t be compared to a fireface 400 i think, wich has a pretty transparent sound. Ok, it might sound more clinical (wich i wouldn`t consider as bad) than a Rosetta or lynx or metric halo stuff. Btw i would also prefer the sound of the echo audiofire over the fireface (also just personal taste), but that doesn`t mean i do not like the sound of RME or would even consider it as not pro stuff..
i also tested stuff like Benchmark DAC1 and others..
drivers are top notch, and the marginal sound difference wich every device has compared to another doesn`t make it any worse.
i respect your opinion, but don`t insult people with such statements pls..
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Babaluma
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Posted : Feb 28, 2014 10:40
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I dunno, you've got to go on personal experience, haven't you? I know loads of people who used to think RME converters were great, then upgraded to something better and were stunned at the positive difference. It's not that they are really bad converters, or crappy sounding, just that there is noticeably better sounding stuff out there.
RME drivers and reliability are the best I've ever used, and my HDSPe has been in daily use for nearly three years with no problems. Solid as a rock. I just choose to use better converters!
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Posted : Feb 28, 2014 10:59
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On 2014-02-28 10:40, Babaluma wrote:
I dunno, you've got to go on personal experience, haven't you?
I just choose to use better converters!
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I did, but the ones i tested that were sounding remarkebly superior do cost quite a bunch more. Like the Benchmark for example.
Also i had to consider portability.
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