Son Kite on playing live in trance

On 2006-12-06 09:40, Raoul V wrote:

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whats wrong with playing with cdj´s??? Please xplain me

from this thread, i gather u look cool as u stand infront of a bunch of disconnected hardware...

to me a live set is an artists original work, ONLY HIS, with synth, drum or guitar solos's being played in realtime...

now whether artist A's rig looks cooler than artist B.. i dont think most care really...

we just want to fuckign dance, dont the artists get that already...

much love
raoul

ps colin and ocelot, you both made terrific arguments i think.. but id like to add, the sooner people realise that its cuz they r tripping balls that the whole big rig, and 50 musicians looks cool the better.. if they turned their back to the stage and danced... does it really matter?? i dunno bout most of u but im there for the sound, i dont care who's driving, or what their driving as long as its a good ride.

On 2006-12-06 18:14, Colin OOOD wrote:
It's not even about "We're all so crazy fucked up on drugs we can't even see the stage and might as well be at home with the hifi and the UV striplight".

On 2006-12-06 18:14, Colin OOOD wrote:

It's about whether the person on stage is doing what the advertising for the party says they will be doing. It's about whether individuals have the guts to admit that they prefer to DJ than to play live. It's about integrity, and honesty, and all those good things that we all make so much of a fuss about in every other area of our lives.

i still think the major diffrence is between DJ collecting music from many artists , and someone present his own music

On 2006-12-08 01:14, Colin OOOD wrote:
In any other scene, a DJ who added keboards to a DJ set would be billed as "decks & FX" - the promoters would use it as a selling point for the party.

yeah sound protty much fair to call it that way.

Right now in psytrance the word "live" is - I think - pretty meaningless as far as telling people what's going on in a live set. As for "how much is some": when I'm at a party I want to see performers show some dexterity, some indication that they're actually the people behind the music. Otherwise it could be anyone up there.

no bro , who actualy made the music , is the only one authorized to play it 2 hours straight. hell if someone play 2 hours of same musical group and got nothing to do with it..

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i still think the major diffrence is between DJ collecting music from many artists , and someone present his own music

So you're saying that the difference between a live set and a DJ set is between CDJs and a laptop?

where u heard that ??? wtf it matter if thats cd's either laptop , if anything decks is more live then press play for sure.

Well... I've put my point across as clearly as I can, in various different ways, and if I haven't managed to persuade you or help you understand what I mean by now then I don't think there's anything more I can do. I don't want to bang on about it any more than I have already, that would be pretty tiresome for all concerned, so I guess the best I can hope for is that what I've written has made one or two people think.

i think its arrogant bro. we r not stupid and sorry u think that way , i just think u try to present yourself as better then others here..

I just think it's a shame that:
a) we're at a point where the word 'live' is used to describe an act which has absolutely no interaction between the performer and the music other than to press the space bar and dance behind a laptop, and
b) many people seem to be quite happy with this.

Son Kite newsletter :

"We mostly try to talk about the good side of things, especially in the newsletters, but this spring have been packed with negative tour experiences and we feel that we have to share some of that with you. If you get bored just skip reading!

When we get a booking we always send a technical rider/contract to the organizer that he/she have to confirm/sign. In the technical rider you get all the information about what we need to be able to make our performance and since we bring around 100 kilo equipment ourselves the organizer don't need to arrange much. Just to make sure that we will get everything we need our manager always calls three times to the organizer to make sure that they have arranged everything we need. Important to add is that we don't ask for things just for fun: EVERY thing we ask for is used in our live set and if we don't get it we can't perform. To us this sounds very easy and logic, doesn't it?

Here comes a short story/example of how it can be when you're touring and end up with an unprofessional organizer. This story is from the Souleclipse festival in Turkey, they made all the mistakes an organizer can do! Please note that they are not the only ones doing mistakes but this was just hilarious!!!

We took the flight from Sweden to Turkey 6.30 in the morning (just to make sure that we got to the festival in good time) and arrived at the festival in turkey late afternoon and there where nobody to pick us up at the airport. got picked up a few hours later (because some juicy champignons were going to get picked up), arrived at the festival area around 01.00. We where supposed to play around 8.00 in the morning so there was a lot of time to prepare the liveset. We thought!! Went to the stage and tried to find someone in charge. We couldn't find anyone so we had to do all the stage management by our self, until our dear friend and angel Sally Dollally came and saved us. (Without her help there wouldn't have been a live set from us). From 01.00 to 08.00 the three of us were working our asses of just to get hold of the equipment we need to be able to play, but after scanning the festival site for hours we couldn't get the stuff we needed and had to find out new ways with the things they had (12 hours before that the organizer made a personal promise that he had ALL the equipment in front of him and that he personally would show it to us when we arrived (we never saw him!!!))
So finally we have enough equipment to play with, but where? Before our gig was four "live acts" in a row, all just using a laptop playing a stereofile! When someone is playing you can't connect four meters of equipment (on a two meter table) since you then would have to disconnect the stuff he's playing with (even thou it's just a computer thru a 48 channel mixer and even thou it would sound exactly the same if he just pressed play on the cd player). This is the reason why you ALWAYS should have one dj in between two liveacts. To be able to play we had to build a new table behind the other one and do you think we got any help (except from Sally of course)? Anyway we managed to get everything ready 3 minutes before our timeslot, this means 7 hours of non stop stage-managing, stage building and equipment hunting, all well wrapped in frustration and irritation! How much motivation do you think we had to play? How much energy to do you think we had for smiling, improvising and to get into the music?
Different people are responsible for different things, also when you're making a party. The only thing an artist should be responsible for is performing, at his/her absolute best, the party organization should work at its best to create the best circumstance for the artists to perform and for the audience to enjoy the performance that is the point with having a concert or a music festival. People that love our music paid a lot of money to see us in Turkey and because of a shit organization we couldnˇ¦t do a good job, we are very sorry for this but we hope that people understand the reason. As I said before this organization is absolutely not the only one that don't know what a technical rider is, at least half the time we play we have to make weird solution to be able to play. If you're an organizer you should know your work and take it serious since you have a responsibility towards artists and most of all; your customers.

On 2010-04-24 19:40, Versi wrote:
oh....

its not the problem in org/promoter..
i mean why would he pay the full price of an artist true live act when the same amount of people come to fake one?

What tells you this fact ?

The problem is in ignorant people...

The end of story

Cheers all

On 2010-04-24 21:03, Beat Agency wrote:

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On 2010-04-24 19:40, Versi wrote: oh.... its not the problem in org/promoter.. i mean why would he pay the full price of an artist true live act when the same amount of people come to fake one? What tells you this fact ? The problem is in ignorant people... The end of story Cheers all

I do not agree at all. It all start with the organizer and the artists. They are the ones who have to bring the real thing to people. It's not peoples responsibility to tell them what to do!