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some organizers thinks about nothing but money...
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nova
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Posted : Aug 18, 2003 17:50
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would you like to see Coka-Kola sponsering a nature party?
(would you like to see a Coca-Cola banner in this site?) |
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Kat
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Posted : Aug 18, 2003 18:25
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technoid - thanks for glasto info, but its one of those things that I wanted to do for about 10 years and never got to do : ( so I intend to go someday.
I do prefer to go to smaller underground parties now, the only bummer is when you travel somewhere and then found out the party is closed down. I prefer to go to 1 decent party every so often than heading out clubbing every weekend.
Remember Nova is not giving out about all organisers - just complaning about the organisers who clearly compromise their reputation by charging huge amounts of money for a gig without putting the effort into making it a beautiful evening.
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Drope
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Posted : Aug 18, 2003 18:34
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I see this thread has become tottaly israelli, and pp that probably know each other... maybe even some old gruges r being digested... well... I´m not gonna mess with that...
This thread has lost it point cause it became all about money... No party will be good if it has or not a lot of money... This is simply not it...
The point is... Its not about money. When I used to work with parties the number of flyers printed were 10x less than today, and the return rate 100x more... we had a team, that knew what we were doing... Our parties had reason why...
It´s very cool to get some sponsors and throw a mega-party, but still... it says nothing. AT ALL. Acttually, it makes it more dangerous...
Creativity is the most needed attribute, and the wright attitude is a must. And that´s all, it can be a mega-festival, or a tiny celebration... It´s not the size, nor the money... is the spirit.
So... if u´r going to throw a party, throw a nice one, treat the attendance as wanted guests in ur own home... and everything oughta be fine.
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nova
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Posted : Aug 18, 2003 18:57
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well drope... thanx again for putting this thread back on track... 
btw... its all around the same subject but still you cleard it up.
at first when i wrote this thread i thought maybe something will change from something so small...
but now im so scaptic... i guss its naive to think like that and that things can be better right? |
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yossi
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Posted : Aug 18, 2003 19:00
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not at all baba...
im very optimistic about future events.
 if you want to be rich, u`ve got to be a bitch! |
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dj-panoramix
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Posted : Aug 18, 2003 19:03
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to nova:
I can just say you this : if the party cost to much money for you so it's simply don't go to it !!!!
Go to the friendly party with real party atmosphere and not to a party where the organisation make money on your face !!
If anybody go to the money-maker's party they don't make anyones !!
pano
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dj-panoramix
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Posted : Aug 18, 2003 19:04
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In some party i'm happy to give my money to the peoples who make it because the party is good ,with good sound system ,good deco,good peoples and good music !!
The money you give to them is not for nothing it's to make another party !!
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dj-panoramix
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nova
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Posted : Aug 18, 2003 21:23
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dj-panoramix....
you are right in what you're saying...
but its not about me to know the difference between shitty parties to great p.l.u.r parties... i had from both believe me...
its about this thing happaning from the first place and knowing the difference.
yossi... only reading what you wrot make me smile
i wish you are right... and maybe you have something to wisper in my ear?  |
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PsyFire
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Posted : Aug 19, 2003 00:25
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Nova,
I agree with at least part of your frustration but it really often depends on what kind of party you're talking about. If some big names have been brought in for it they often demand big fees. For example I would pay 100 skekel to see Psysex & Parasense playing live in the same evening but i won't pay that price for dj moshe. So I would just suggest that before each party you do as much research about it as possible and try to avoid those kind of fraud party's that you were talking about, that don't give you your money's worth because there are a lot of the crooked organizers around.... |
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technoid
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Posted : Aug 19, 2003 02:47
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On 2003-08-17 07:57, RaverGirl wrote:
Listen Nova, I also thought like you, untill I got involved in the trance scene and I realised a lot.
First, just for your information, there are very few party organizers that do make money out of parties. Most of them hardly manage to cover expenses, and lots of times even loose. So why they do it? Cause if not them, who will? Will you take the risk and do it? Do you want to handle cops trouble? Arsim?
Security:Do you know how much security costs at parties? A LOT! Sure organizers can drop security. But to whom people will come to complain if their cars got broke into? Who will stop bad people from getting in? And if cops come and see there's no security, the organizers will pay for it.
Location: You can do it in wild nature of course, but then most chances cops will get to the party, or even the owner of the land will call the police and report about it. So many organizers are forced to rent the land. And yo know how much this costs? A LOT!
These are the 2 major reasons why party entrance costs so much today. Sure you didn't have this problem a few years ago, but a few years ago this scene was underground.
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Organizing parties is not that easy, you're right. You're almost certain to lose money. I've posted in the past about doing parties for free and it IS possible in the UK, but I think that's because the two things you posted above don't really apply there. If there was security at the party I certainly wouldn't go and I don't know anybody who would. In the UK they have a terrible name and are known as paid thugs who ruin everyone's night. Really to someone like me this is unthinkable. A good party takes care of it's own security.
When it comes to cops I've had enough arguments with them in the UK but I still think compared to the rest of the world the UK is damn lucky when it comes to police most of the time. They're still mostly dicks but at least sometimes you can reason with them and some of them will have a laugh with you. It's easy to stay one step ahead of them, and they don't carry guns. I understand that in the US the police would arrest everyone there and the penalties for the organizers would be bad. Don't know about Israel, have never been there.
Have to agree with ppl who say the worst thing ever would be to see a Coca-Cola banner at a party. The person/people who did this would/should go to hell!
It is essential to maintaining the vibe of parties that they stay underground, but it's important not to be too elitist at the same time. It's a fine line but most ppl manage to walk it OK.
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technoid
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Posted : Aug 19, 2003 02:50
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On 2003-08-18 18:25, Kat wrote:
technoid - thanks for glasto info, but its one of those things that I wanted to do for about 10 years and never got to do : ( so I intend to go someday.
Fair play, as a veteran of several I guess I can say it's worth experiencing. Have a top time when you get there! Make sure you check out the travellers site for the BEST party though!
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"One nation under a groove". |
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DJ Pelon(Inpsyde Media)
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Posted : Aug 19, 2003 06:54
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technoid...
security ppl in Israel never harm the party in any way...their job is to protect the ppl that came to the party, and the organizers. they don't go around bothering ppl that smoke weed or shit like that. anyways, it's irresponsible to throw a party without security here in Israel, and this of course makes the whole thing more expansive.
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dj jaimz
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Posted : Aug 19, 2003 09:17
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in sydney, prices for trance parties are still pretty reasonable. a big name international [logic bomb, infected mushroom, astrix, ect], will cost around $us 20, sometimes a bit more. parties with locals are around $us 10, usually a little less.
sometimes we get parties with excellent value. for example, next saturday, there's an outdoor party with: sun control species (live), s.e.t.h (live), jaimz (saiko sounds), drooid (sun control species), eegor (sub machine records), daheen (natural order, uk), nazca.
all that for about $us 6.
can't complain. :-)
and the earthcore mega-festival at the end of november is about as expensive as they come - $us70 - but that's going to be a huge party with infected mushroom, hallucinogen, and a whole bunch of others. |
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