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nova
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Posted : Aug 14, 2003 18:40
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im checking about the parties in israel those days and i see that almost every one of them costs 80-100 nis on presell....
what are you crazy?!
this is way too much!!!!
do you organizer realy think that ppl enjoing giving their money to your own pocket and be in a party who doesnt worth it?!
your name is going to hell if you're asking me!
in most of the cases
you are making a party with a super low budget, the only thing that mess up your mind is the endless line-up and you think that this will make your party a blast and us giving you 100 nis. not mantion that you are very happy take it to your own pocket...
it will kill you if you give with the ticket a bottle of woter or free drink right?
so let me tell you something dear organizers...
your "good name" is going down.
we are not stupid and we all can see wich party worth this price.
i wish i could write the names of the organizer who realy worth every dime in their parties but i think that we all know who im talking about...
i dont know what are you thinking to yourself... that a party with high price will make you "look" good?
to bring endless line-ups cause this will make us come? (we all know that its a stupid way of thinking)
i realy want to know what are you guys thinking!!!!! cause i realy dont like being desived!!!!!!!
in this forum there are non-stop offers how to make your lifes easier and how to make us unite with you in a beautyfull party.
thought about using it for once?!
dont you think about your good name?
you are making this scene to look bad!
start to see the crowd as the most importent thing you need to invenst on!
thoght about how your Dj will look without a crowd?
money is not everything!
thats how it use to be!
parties that costs 50-30 nis... beautifull locate, amazing deco, good sound system ect ect... we all saw that the organizers investing their lifes to make a beautifull party... even if the party was busted we knew that the organizers did everything they can.
now we all can see how organizers thinks about the beautifull money goes to their beautifull pockets...
the israelis between you can look about the sun-splesh festival and see the amazing 3 days line up and its all for only 200 nis!
isnt it funny that we need to pay 120 nis for one night?
im wondering if this situation is only in israel or the whole glob suffering from it...
im sorry that some organizers seeing trance as a money maker...
just dont forget that we all can see it.
stop with those unresnable high prices...
you know its not worth it.
respact to all the organizers who thinks about TRANCE and LOVE..... not about MONEY!
believe me that we all know who you are.
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salvia_divinorum
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Posted : Aug 14, 2003 20:33
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i think it happens everywhere... at least here you always pay at least 20 euros for a party (which attending to portugal's economical situation, it's a lot), and most of the times the live acts suck, the djs can't mix and the party is full of ugly faces and bad vibes. and the money you pay for a bottle of water or a beer is 3 times more than what you pay in other places. most organizers today don't care about trance and the people, they found out the party business is lucrative and now only care about the money... there isn't plur anymore... maybe that's why parties are becoming more lame and full of bad vibes...
ps - i totally agree that with the ticket they should give a free bottle of water/drink... but once again they don't think about the people... they're trying to steal us, argh
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technoid
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Posted : Aug 14, 2003 21:16
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The parties I used to go to in the UK weren't always Trance orientated, although it was pretty popular, you'd get a real mix of styles, and often more than one sound system. Although the DJ's weren't often 'name' DJ's I've heard some of the best DJ's I've ever heard at these parties, people would bring everything, beer and water weren't sold for a profit (not by people I used to do parties with, anyway), and the parties were free and open to everyone. You used to get all types of people at them and that was part of the beauty of it.
A donation hat would be passed round at some point in the night and people would give what they could afford. That would pay for the diesel to fuel the generators and if we were lucky there would be a bit left over.
Sadly the vibes have gone downhill in recent years and I blame this on too many of the wrong drugs rather than anything else. There seems to have develped a real "more hardcore than thou" attitude.
People should do parties for the love of parties and happy faces and bangin' music in my opinion, although I don't mind paying a bit for something really special. The vibe is still there at many of the Trance parties I've been to and that's why I like them. It's sad that people seem to get into big ego trips and profiteering... Remember why you loved these parties in the first place... P.L.U.R.!!!
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HIKARI
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Posted : Aug 14, 2003 21:23
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hehehe, You dont know anything until you have come to Japan. You will be paying about 50 dollars just for a one night party over here. How much for a 3 day outdoor? at least 100 dollars(without parking fees etc..)the only country to still have low budget parties... i think its America. 20 dollars for a party(BEAUTIFUL!)
Well trance over here is something of a business now. Not a peace and love gathering, its strict business. Its about profit or loss. The big organizations dont care what crowd they bring as long as they get the numbers. On the other hand, artists, labels expect so much from Japan. They jack up the price 2 to 3 times more than in other countries. How much did infected and GMS charge for a party in Japan you say?... more than 5000 dollars(rumor is 7000).
So who is to blame for the situation in Japan(organizations, artists or labels)... Im not sure. I would just like to see the scene in japan settle down. When parties used to cost about 25 to 30 dollars. |
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full_on
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Posted : Aug 14, 2003 21:24
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You all must come to Brazil and see how expensive a party can be...
They charge R$ 2,50 for a 300 ml bottle of water when you can buy the same bottle at less than R$ 0,50 at any supermarket. Really shamefull...
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Surrender
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Posted : Aug 14, 2003 21:55
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nova my dearest, you bring up interesting points, i understand your frustration. i agree with you on some issues and disagree with you on others. i agree that some organizers do no provide for the money they charge adecquate value. sometimes you feel cheated when the party isnt "up to par". keep in mind a few things, our scene is so strange, so double edged that its hard to organize these parties and mostly the ones that do succeed, both in entertainment value and monetary value are organizers who have another source of income other then the party. We as trancers expect the best of everything at a party on the one hand, and then feel cheated when we have to pay for it, or sometimes we dont even know the cost invloved and we assume that its free or much cheaper then it is...
i have no problem paying a high priced ticket if i feel like i got my money's worth. we must remember that after all, any business is there for profit, not for our service. just like a resturant isnt created to feed people, but to make money on people who wish to eat. you are right to say there are ways to do this and ways not to.  as long as they make us feel good, our pockets will empty gladly, the second they miss that, we turn and walk away.
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nobody4
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Posted : Aug 14, 2003 22:27
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Nova, one small question:
have you tried to organize a party (and I mean a real party, not some 'friends on the beach with speakers and MDs' kinda thingy)?
It's very nice to come to a party, dance, drink, eat, take drugs and dig some cool music; but its a bit harder when u actualy need to carry all the sound system, bar or deco, arrange for the artists to come, be on the mobile phone about 3 days in a row (its a lot of air-time, believe me...) guiding ppl to the location, AND worrying about police for desert...
one of the reasons I decided not to make any party in my life is the list above - you simply can't enjoy a party when you are busy with all the details (and even a shitty party with minimum equipment takes SOME degree of organization), and also the amout of time this is consuming, well, I dont know about 20, but there IS effort in this, and its directed at YOU, the party goer.
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yossi
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Posted : Aug 14, 2003 22:35
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finaly... thanx for droping by tal
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nova
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Posted : Aug 15, 2003 03:21
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surrender darling
i dont care paying any price for a party that worth it!
and i will pay it gladly... and i will be very happy to know that the organizers are getting something cause they should!
but...
thats not what i was talking about...
its the fact that its NOT WORTH IT!
i wish i could say some names to give you exsample for shitty parties wich costs 100 nis... and im not talking about bad parties who got basted or bad crwod... we all can understand that its not on the organizers hands....
o.k, you want a resturant?
you want some money out of it right?
then you need ppl to eat there, true?
then you need to serve the best food you got, the most comftarble place to sit in and the most lovely atmosphere you can creat, right?
how do want ppl to come to your resturant of you serving bad food, the place is ugly low standarts with super high prices?
helen,
i never made a party, i dont wanna make one...
i know i cant. and if you cant do it so dont do it.
this is a job for everything...
even a resturant manneger can complain about his job he needs to be 6 days a week with nonstop costumers and food.
you need to take on yourself this responsability... if you cant do it (like i cant or other ppl cant) then dont do it.
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huga_generation
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Posted : Aug 15, 2003 10:37
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dear nova
one thing i agree, some orginaizers got really greedy so u just dont go to their events
from the other hand to orgenize a good party (with not any kind of kombinot) is something like 10,000 nis that u as an orginazier might loose if some blue pig decide's to show up to early than u'r scerwd!!
my 2 cents are
we all know who's try to rip our pockets and who's worth it.
first orgenaize a party than complaine!. it's not that easy u know...
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nova
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Posted : Aug 15, 2003 12:45
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let me correct some of you... this thread is not about how much money...
its about money for nothing!
its about much more money then it should be.
its about that you know you have been ripped...
its about your spirit braking when you comming back home...
huga...
this is not complaining... this is telling the truth...
why are you seeing it in a negative way?
if you are an organizer, you can see this thread and think how you can make yourself better...
we are your crowd.
we are not just ppl....
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ND
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Posted : Aug 15, 2003 13:15
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don't know about those parties, wasn't on psy party for long (except psy in-club parties), things changed, there is no energies like it was at past. as the music changes and the whole scene the parties change too.
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huga_generation
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Posted : Aug 15, 2003 14:42
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to nova...
first of all i'm not an orgenaizer
i took part in some production in the past(the first 2 full moons parties)
witch non of them was for the money but only for the crowd joy
first one:
remedy
psychomicro(live)
tul(live)
60nis
second one:
kannibal active
gula k
blt
native radio
80 nis
now it's not the time for me but it's not the point,
the point is , if u see an orginazier who's ripping your pocket, u are probably not the right crowd for that party, cuase it's a party only for money
ppl saw the light of making money out the undergroud parties as it became mainstream with time, those parties excist today and there's nothing to do about it, if u see that kind of party my advice is- just dont go :)
asi.
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nova
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Posted : Aug 15, 2003 15:17
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in that case, there are too many parties not to go to...
to many "money parties"
only thinking of that makes the scene look low...
this is not what i want but unfortunatly this is what happaning...
i want to hear solutions... i want to make some changes... this forum is an exsalent power...
but as we all know... this thread will fade out like the rest of the threads...
i hope that some organizers will see this and think about how to make things better... its all in their hands.
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Electronic Bungalow
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Posted : Aug 15, 2003 16:52
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Here in Brazil, you have several types of parties: Those mega-parties, like Solaris 4 days festival, where the whole cast of Hommega Recs was there and the admission fee was something like U$ 46 for the entire trip, if it was to be calculated on a daily basis it would amount U$ 11,50 a day). Now, the production costs for that party exceeded the mark of U$ 140.000,00 !!!!
Then you have the "normal" festivals, with a more modest lineup and an equivalent structure. Like Trancendence & Celebra. Price was ranging around the same value. Which obviously make the party more expensive for the audience.
You have one day mega parties, whose lineups include Infected, AStrix, Dark Soho, GMS, and the likes. And LOTS os structure around you. The price is the same, U$ 11
You have one day parties, where youŽll find maybe a not so famous foreign attraction, less structure and so on. The price remains the same, U$ 11.
And then you have one day parties, with no foreign attractions att all, almost no structure whatsoever. The price ? U$ 11, of course.
And for the parties above you still have to pay a parking fee. For a more or less established price of U$ 3,30.
Those are the facts here in Brazil. And it seems they are facts everywhere.
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