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shamanizer
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Posted : Jan 2, 2006 14:40
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What comes to healing, shamanistic and modern western, the approach is somewhat different. In modern medical science the starting point is strictly physical and in shamanism it is more spiritual and physical condition follows that. It is impossible to be cured by shaman if one doesn't believe that it is actually possible. Shaman in fact tries to wake up the spiritual/mental forces within the individual and harness them to activate the natural healing powers of human body. The power of mind is very powerful when harnessed and practiced correctly. Shamanism studies the spiritual world and aspects of human life that modern science is not able explain and therefore it often denies the existence of these things. (Christian church has also a very big part to play in this, it aimed to extinguish all the native practices from Europe and did good work in this. Much information was lost and negative attitude towards indigenous traditions still exists.)
This is somewhat controversial because with the attitude modern science has adopted and with the tools in hand it is just about impossible to give water proof explanation of the phenomenom of shamanistic rituals and their utility in medical science. However, for indigenous tribes shamanism is reality and there is nothing to question. It is a heritage of hundreds of generations.
In this light the conclusion could be that shamanism isn't in fact that much effective healing method for people with materialistic western mindset that was taught to us since childhood. As an example for us it actually might be more beneficial to gain a placebo pill to reduce e.g. head ache from a doctor than from a shaman. This is simply because of the mindset we have. For us even the idea of looking for help from the shaman can be unimaginable. Lately, there has been more research aimed towards traditional ie. alternative practices as supplementary methods, but there must be still much research done. Also promotion of these issues has been somewhat questionable in western world and also on this field there is still much work to be done. |
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Gopendragon
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oof my eyes had tears to read all of those writings,very interesting posts,and thanks for the book suggestions!!!
we see that not every trancer experiences shamanism in trance,not every one making experiments with trance plants,other just only listen and enjoy music on the surface,others like to search deeper and feel the spiritual thing in a closer relation with the elements of nature.
How do I experience neo shamanism with trance?
I must feel the ecology and give my encouragment to the spirit of the earth(GAIA),Ren Tunguz from Matzuria was a shamanic tribe were shamanizing to the earth...when I really love nature share my energy with the trees smell the air and feel more closer relation with plants,when I talk or communicate with a telepathetic way with nature spirits and feel that we are part of nature the time I walk up on the ground and smell the air,when I dance in trance rythms and trying to get syntonized in harmony with the cosmic rythm with the feeling of love guide me in every step,when I get hypnotised after hours trance dance and forget for a while that I live in the normal reality and only be my conciousnes in unison with the collective conciousnes reaching an ecstatic state,when I feell that I move like a shamanic spider running throught the cosmic energetic web that is conected everywhere around the globe and being able to have access from place to place with very fast speed and a meditative way exploring more then two dimensions in space and time ,expanding my mind and use my astral body to move in that big astral field around the earth wich is the energy that keeps every one of us conected each other with universe,
when I see the vision of the tree of life with me inside and every being united as a big worldwide family merged inside a big tree(roots),when I trip with a voyage through space and see universe from a window in front of my eyes,when I chant sacred names for guidance and healing(moksa),and my faith is strong enouph and able to give me the vision of my chest as one of my personal inituitions tha I experiene alone in those hallucinogenic spiritual periods that I pass,when reach ecstacy and dance like an animal to get in contact with nature dark spirits and suck that energy , feel more powerfull then the human strength and emanicipate from the bondages of human insticts and listen to my roots and always have god for my ultimate goal...
...and so much other things that I forget now...
we are all shamans when we dance and heal misery and sadnes with our positive energy of love and feel united as one big orgasnism,when we help others with our energy...reiki,tai-chi,yoga...
Mircae Eliade -Shamanism, a research on each one different tradition and ancient tribe and religion all around the earth with the conections of their shamanic elements between them
thanks for your thoughts interesting to share our experienses on that.
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odysseus
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 12:05
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while i read gopendra posts at this topic ,reminds me *Sidarta*
keep your thoughts alive and don"t change that with the past of the years bro
happy new year 
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shamantrixx
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For wars, i do not agree with you since wars is the only tool for progress human have found so far. We can discuss it for ages, i do understand that some humanitarian instincts are in you, although i find it not in time and place, probably it's some what a guilt for past century, whole europe feel now.
I try to see or understand the world from God's point of view, it should be balanced, i always try to understand and find explanation for every action happening now and then. For wars i find only one explanation, progress, ugly? maybe! useless? won't be sure about that.
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War (or act of violence) is usually a progress for those who don't like to work but want to have something that someone else has. I understand that for America it's a formula for success You need oil - make weapons, call the country "axis of evil" and go and take what you need. Need somebody to work instead of you - go to Africa and hunt some slaves, they work for free.
Of course, that's just my opinion and a FACT! So don't take me wrong but... war is a progress for primitives, criminals, weapon factorys, "middle age middle class whiskey drinking' generals", politicians and American people living the American dream.
As much as you hate the idea of a human culture driven by collective consciousness that evolves even from events like rave partys and LSD experience they still do exist. For f... sake... look for a documentary film called "use of hallucinogenics in science" and see for your self. The Nobel prize for discovery of DNA cloning process was earned on an LSD experience. The man actually said that he would NEVER be able to develop this technique without this modern shamanic potion called LSD Also the guy who invented first microchip have an LSD experience! And guess what the guy who invented "shareware" had?
So yes... for you it's a drug taking rave culture with strong desire to believe in mystical, shamanic and fairy-tailed bullshit. But occasionally it comes a time when this drug taking rave culture evolves something that you need and than you have to go to war in order to get you progress.
You did a really nice job describing your culture. Thank you for that but I still prefer nonscientific drug taking rave culture.
Psytrance, goa and ambient music are just some of the fruits that are grown on this tree. There will always be people who are: "more sensitive and aware of them self, their surroundings, the crossroads of humanity and the needs of a planet. This is what our holly goa ritual is all about! This is what we're trying to achieve!"
So as much as you wish to believe that we don't exist... we do exist and things will get worse. One day we'll be the majority 
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 16:28
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Oh... don't tell me that you'll rather believe in your concept of the world instead of trusting the Nobel Prize winner speaking about his discovery?
Now who really is the one who WANTS to believe something so bad that he's ready to ignore the facts?
My friend, you use the term FACT without really having any and with no desire to get some. You are just scared because something hints you that: "there's more to reallity than you have confronted". So by prooving us wrong you could think of your self as right, nondefective and equal. As long as this hint exist there will be a shadow hanging over your head. A shadow that covers what's left behind by the force of evolution. Dark is a place where ignorance ends but that's the road you're driving and there's no war that can change the outcome.
Live long and prosper
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 16:37
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On 2006-01-04 16:28, shamantrixx wrote:
Oh... don't tell me that you'll rather believe in your concept of the world instead of trusting the Nobel Prize winner speaking about his discovery?
Now who really is the one who WANTS to believe something so bad that he's ready to ignore the facts?
My friend, you use the term FACT without really having any and with no desire to get some. You are just scared because something hints you that: "there's more to reallity than you have confronted". So by prooving us wrong you could think of your self as right, nondefective and equal. As long as this hint exist there will be a shadow hanging over your head. A shadow that covers what's left behind by the force of evolution. Dark is a place where ignorance ends but that's the road you're driving and there's no war that can change the outcome.
Live long and prosper
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Exactly the same can be said about the people who believe acid is the modern shamanic potion and deny the findings of medicine. As long as their theories are not questioned, there is no doubt that they could be nothing more than common people with a drug habbit. I am not saying that is the case, just making a point.
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 16:54
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to nolightatend:
My words have nothing to do with Europe or Asia or any other part of the world. I just say that warmaking is a progress only for primitives. "Many that died deserve to live... but can you give them life?" If the answer is no, than what gives you the right to take a life?
Your point of view is far behind the individual... like looking at the world from a global angle, the macro view. It's a common way of loking for politicians and ppl who studdy statistics. Also it is common for ppl who benefit from destructive force without having to act destructive them self. It's a believe that makes your world right and it has to be that way. Otherwise you would refuse to pay taxes and finance the XY war in ZX country that's bringing the progress to your home.
Once you land your head on the ground and start sharing our micro view you'll find out that there's nothing creative in taking lives. The fact that the nature grows something else on the place where you make space by taking life has nothing to do with progress. It would have happend anyway... it was ment to be one way or another. So it's just a lousey excuse for destructive ones.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 17:06
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Nobel Prize is not the point... point is that LSD have provided the mind extension for the scientist and help him to clone the DNA cell. As the hole world is now using his technique they gave him a Nobel Prize. But the FACT remains that LSD made cloning process possible, and today that process provides you food and medicine.
Weather I had or had not taking drugs doesn't have anything to do with this. It's just another excuse you'll take rather than watch a documentary I've named earlier of actually get informed on the topic. Since this is the case I don't see any point in further discoussion... cause discoussions are made with facts and you're trying hard not to see them.
Really... ignorance is a bliss.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 17:17
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On 2006-01-04 17:01, nolightatend wrote:
I really sick of ppl being humanitarian these all bla bla bla when in reality you would kill for your ideals, you still human and this is human's nature.
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Evolution is an ongoing project who cares not about human civilisation, wars, economy and politics. It will never stop, but there will always be the ones left behind and seeking the excuse in the human nature. To be unable to change your nature is to be a part of the evolution failure group. Take your seat and hold tight... the ride could be bumpy as the end is coming closer.
And by the way... I would never kill anything for my believes or for food. I find life to be the greatest value and human consciousness the best possible form of energy on the planet. Therefore it would be a shame to waste both life or such a consciouss gift for taking life. There are countless animal species who don't have an alternative to taking lives. That's the last thing that world need us to do, but on the other hand most of the time human kind is doing only that. I guess we're not capable of anything better. At least some of us.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 17:27
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Finaly few words on the topic.
It doesnt matter weather the psytrance culture is related to shamanism or not. The only thing that counts is the fact that we all enjoy dancing to the beat and having collective consciousness during that dance. That it makes us a bit more aware of the fact that we depend on other people and that it's nice to be good to people that yo depend on. For me, the worst nightmare would be geting all alone in the world. So I need people to see me, talk to me and dance with me. So I'll be nice to people and maybe I get surprissed... maybe the world will turn a different face for me. This is what I believe in... this is what psytrance culture means to me and I can live with the fact that lot of people are seeing it in other ways. As long as they're nice to me I don't mind them believing whatever they like.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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ganjagil
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 17:53
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I think that shamanism is a way of reaching so much higher conciousness and i think this is why trance is really shamanic tool for educating the people and taking them to places were they have never been before. Even beethoven who used to make classical music had said "a musician can make people feel what is inside of him" takeing this as a goal making music with such a feeling plus putting halucinogenics which also are a great part of the shamanic ways. Combine these two makes something which is really undescribable, Trance is the way to reach super happiness and great energy to live life to a better way. To see through things that you never thought you see them that way, to go to the other side and bring something back.
People who ignore this will remain were they are of course they will just float around like all the others and probably bash others because they take too much drugs or whatever but in reality they are missing so much. Your inner self after a trance experience is changed is better is more happy! more energy to takle life! It's a shamanic tool to experience your inner self.
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