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sorceress
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Posted : Jan 24, 2007 20:12




I have been contemplating and wanna find out what others figured out

Last few days I have been trying to think as well as feel but not in words and it seem it just is not possible.

They say in the moment of concentration u just know... would that be in words too???


I know it seems a lil crazy but Id really wanna find out if we absolutely have to think or feel in words which inturn are alphabets which in turn are sounds.

its twisted but karma just does not depend on what u do it also depends on how u think... and sound never does dies out... as they say energy never dies but only changes in form so that means all that we think is still ringing in the world out there... the more we think it the more closer we are getting that absolute to us thru laws of attraction what we call concentration so when u really want something and concentrate on it universe will almost collide to get u what u want... so that means thoughts inturn decides what will be which inturn are sounds

Am a lil offbeat here...

Apologize for the digression
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Janux
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Posted : Jan 24, 2007 21:52
wo wo wo. i know where u are going with this...

-firstly, on a more simple level you are asking:

whether language, which originated in sounds, which were spoken, then later written etc... whether language limits us? or is only a good thing.... ?

thats a hard one, cuz if it wasnt for language as we know it, we wouldnt even be able to talk about this question.... however, language and words then do effect the way we translate our thoughts.... we have a thought or concept or whatever, and to communicated it we have to narrow it down to words, but then later those words dictate way we think... as you said, its hard not to think without thinking in words....

what about a child though, a child that is not taught a language would still have thoughts....

maybe we as a species have lost the ability of using a type / part of our brain because language was the easier way out....?

yet language still seems to have a power that one cant argue with, i mean all species make sounds, we have just refined our use of sounds to be able to communicate on such intricate levels... most of the things humans have done on this planet ('good' or 'bad') we would not have been able to do without speaking etc....

it seems that sound undeniably exists and is an integral part of the universe and we as a communal social species have a firm grip on it...
which is why i like the term Sound Species so much (not to forget our complex use of music & dance... the one thing that all cultures have in common)

ON A MORE DEEP LEVEL:
you are talking about the relationship between the vibration a thought emitts into the universe...

or rather... thoughts manifest themselves as sounds when spoken (?) but what about thoughts that are not spoken? what vibrational effect to they have on the universe... because there is one thing we know for sure, your thoughts do effect you (atleast) but what else?
@ Sorceress> all very valid questiongs you ask
hmmmmmmmmmmm.
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sure_smoke_alot
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Posted : Jan 25, 2007 14:11
in spiritual terms 'OM' is the centre of all universe or rather the base of all exisitence (hindu philosphy)

& those who dont belive this have to try this powerful tibiten meditation called 'Nadbhrama' n u wont argue after that           the problem with valuing art is, till u dont understand it, it's worthless but wen u do understand it, it's priceless!!
sailienkraft


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Posted : Jan 26, 2007 23:24
@Sorceress

if thoughtss effect the world - and world effect our thoughts, then how can we say which is which

too me soundz like the classic lsd trip 'all is one'
Lesser Soul
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Posted : Jan 27, 2007 00:25
hahah how true all is one and all is OM ...lsd or no lsd the truth remains it all merges into one big experience and it can be ..maybe ...defined by the cosmic OM sound ...the all encompassing sound of OM ...or maybe we are yet to discover a more purer shanti sound and till then we have OM ...what could be at a higher level ..who knows ...pls do pm if someone does PLUR !!!

N Shanti OM till then ....           Being, a bundle of minute, unique particulars in which, by some unspeakable and yet self-evident paradox, was to be seen the divine source of all existence.
Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 27, 2007 06:21
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On 2007-01-26 23:24, sailienkraft wrote:
@Sorceress

if thoughtss effect the world - and world effect our thoughts, then how can we say which is which

too me soundz like the classic lsd trip 'all is one'



Does it matter which affects which?
we affect the world the world affects us!

my mumbo jumbo theory is that what we call soul is infact something that vibrate inside of us.. So we are sound!
when we dance together its divine!
casue we vibrate to the same wavelenghts..
this is a great way to connect but its takes for us to really relax and surrender to sound. You know when the whole dance floor is smiling and moving as one! or when you are alone and dance and you feel the music moving you..... ummm its lovley!
Janux
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Posted : Jan 27, 2007 13:32
@Freeflow

Souls of sound.... hmmm soundz nice.

'scientifically' it says - there are no souls and all a soul is, is the vibration of the particles of a body.

'spiritually' it says - our souls are connected to everything else that has vibration, and more directly connected to similar vibrations. and chanting a sound, for example, alligns our soul to that particular vibration in the universe.
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sorceress
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Posted : Jan 27, 2007 20:05
Quote:

On 2007-01-26 23:24, sailienkraft wrote:

if thoughtss effect the world - and world effect our thoughts, then how can we say which is which

too me soundz like the classic lsd trip 'all is one'



thoughts do effect our world... most definitely they do
as it is - we are but matter vibrating at a level, we originated from the matter and into the matter we will dissolve and disappear not to vanish as energy never dies but only to be some thing else like a fruit, flower, tree, animal, insect or just air or dirt. so when we have a thought its our body's vibration whether we announce it aloud or not its still there and it wll ring because it was there... the thought is mind in motion.

as far as the world effecting out thoughts may be not... some times everything can be just purrfect but for some one who is blind might not be able to make up his mind whenther its all true or not.

amazing how people keep them selves from laughing too much for they think they might cry the same quantity later. amazing that even after tapping into all resources and making so much people still go hungry in the world just coz some one could not satiate his hunger with just the right amount of food he required- so he filled the whole godown to sit on.

so no... i dont think the world effects our thoughts but yes i do know our thoughts effects the worlds.

i thank edison everyday that he decided to share his thoughts of electricity with the world what if he patented it then...

@ Janux - peoples thoughts do effect them... we know thinking healthy and eating healthy which inturn is keeping healthy. but peoples thoughts also effect the world... or rather their thought process effects the world... like that of valmikis or grahem bells or that of osama bin ladens.

so may be if we all have nice things too say we will see a better day.
if u cant say it just think it and wholesomeness will be on its way.

sound is presonification of thoughts and thoughts make our world go round           Dont thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously use your intelligence
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Janux
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Posted : Jan 27, 2007 21:05

@ Sorceress.

i agree with almost everything you say, in all your posts....

but how can you say 'the world does not effect our thoughts' every thought you have is in response to inputs coming in / or that at some point did come in, from the outside world... dont u agree?

can u draw a line between you and the 'outside' world?
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Aida Noridania


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Posted : Jan 29, 2007 21:21
i think sound is a bit more complex then we may think and that the principles of resonance and harmonics do indeed fit in a lot of cases...

or never heard of that bridge that collapsed just by the tremors caused by those marching soldiers? i forgot where it happened but i know that story did happen... to their biggest amazement a bridge that was ways stronger then the load it was supporting, collapsed, just because it turned out that the march of the soldiers was just on the resonance frequency of the bridge... so that resonance added up and the bridge collapsed

amazing but true

so if were just those few hundred soldiers marching that gave such a deep impact on that solid construction that could resist much higher loads then just those soldiers how can we then say sound has no impact? how can we say that even movement is not "sound" (the march was a movement and the feet touching the ground was a repetitive motion just like a sinus tone which is also repetitive

so the soldiers litterally "plucked" the string of that bridge and it collapsed... not by striking the bridge with a hammer to make it sound, but by a movement

so indeed to one degree you can say motion = sound,

but then in similar way of saying "not all doves are pigeons, but pigeons are doves"?

just a thought but the discussion is surely interesting           no situation is stronger then a heart that dares to love
so may the force of life light and love be with you
Lesser Soul
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Posted : Jan 29, 2007 21:44
well my two bits ...sound is created by motion of particles charged with kinetic energy ..energy transfroms in ways unknown to us thus the cosmic energy of the entire cosmos could interact with sound but there is no medium in place in space ..thats why what we are not able to achieve with sound we achieve with our thoughts ....and yes there are no pure thoughts ...they are influenced by our experiences ..and thus alas there is no pure creation ...its all perceptions translated .....

          Being, a bundle of minute, unique particulars in which, by some unspeakable and yet self-evident paradox, was to be seen the divine source of all existence.
sure_smoke_alot
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Posted : Jan 30, 2007 09:44
Quote:

On 2007-01-26 23:24, sailienkraft wrote:
@Sorceress

if thoughtss effect the world - and world effect our thoughts, then how can we say which is which




simple they both are complementary to each other

a slightly offtopic but still very relevent :-
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/water4.php

also sum mind bending and thought provoking dvd's
http://www.amazon.com/What-Bleep-Do-We-Know/dp/B0006UEVQ8/sr=1-1/qid=1170142811/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-1577076-8318503?ie=UTF8&s=dvd
&
http://www.amazon.com/Water-Crystals-Motion-Messages/dp/0966531248/sr=1-1/qid=1170142937/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-1577076-8318503?ie=UTF8&s=dvd

let me know if ur thoughts dont change after wacthing this movies

p.s. isn't the world our own interpretation of this great illusion????          the problem with valuing art is, till u dont understand it, it's worthless but wen u do understand it, it's priceless!!
Janux
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Posted : Jan 31, 2007 15:59
@ Aida Noridania

nice story about the bridge....

it follows the same principle of a sound that has a high enough pitch that it breaks glass (not talking about loud enough....) if you equal the natural resonance of glass with a sound, then the glass breaks, because for that instant there is no difference between the glass and the 'air' around it, because the particles are both resonating to the same degree.           www.facebook.com/DjJanux
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