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rich
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Posted : Jan 22, 2007 21:16
@trip_on_acid:
Thanks for your help! I've been poking around websites on the ear and how it works and trying to understand the answer you gave but you know, I'm not totally convinced it's correct
I can understand the ear drum and ossicles (hairs) dislocating so taking the sound differently, but now I want to know what it is they are doing differently. Why it is that only the tempo seems to change and not much else, from what I can hear. Which keeps bringing me back to my theory of compressed space in the middle ear. In any case, I'm continuing this little research hobby I've latched on to...
Janux
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Posted : Jan 22, 2007 21:25
@ rich

it might have to do with the same reason that if you are listening to a track on a music system, and you have the track also playing through headphones, if you put the headphones on, the track seems to slow down a bit. so yes, it could have to do with compression.

or maybe its a different issue than the yawning one. when you put headphones on you are hearing the sound more accuratly and the kick & bass resonate for longer because of the acoustic space between your eardrum and headphone... so each kick&bass sound sticks around for slightly longer, which could give the illusion of the track being slightly slower....

the same thing happens when you are playing a track on a system at a very low volume, it always seems slightly faster, when you turn up the volume it seems to slow down a bit. true?
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sorceress
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Posted : Jan 22, 2007 21:59
Sound is a mechanical wave made of various variant frequencies some we hear and some we don’t (also called diff pitches of sound). and frequencies that our ear cannot decipher can be deciphered by another creature or species... we all know sound has an undisputed effect on us... even when it is at frequencies we do not hear... for e.g. many would ask u to stay away from big speakers coz they could emit sound frequencies which u cannot hear yet they can damage your ear.

Just coz some one is color blind and cannot see a high frequency color like say red that does not mean it does not exist.

A vacuum is a volume of space that is essentially empty of matter, so that gaseous pressure is much less than standard atmospheric pressure. The root of the word vacuum is the Latin adjective vacuum which means "empty," but space can never be perfectly empty. A perfect vacuum with a gaseous pressure of absolute zero is a philosophical concept that is never observed in practice, not least because quantum theory predicts that no volume of space is perfectly empty in this way. Physicists often use the term "vacuum" slightly differently. They discuss ideal test results that would occur in a perfect vacuum, which they simply call "vacuum" or "free space" in this context, and use the term partial vacuum to refer to the imperfect vacua realized in practice.
- from wikipedia

Which states again that sound is everywhere coz the only place it would not exist is in perfect vacuum which is just a theoretical assumption, for even outer space is referred to most definitely as high quality vacuum.

For us sound is not some thing we invented we discovered it… and we learnt to use it well. We took out many sounds learnt to use them together to take care of more complex form of communication then even found out a way to record sound through writing it down… as they say first form of sound reproduction was to read it aloud. So yes one generation handed down more and more knowledge to the following generations in sounds… so we have developed to where we are today due to the inate capability of understanding how sound works… whether we understand it on the level of a physicist an audio engineer a sound surgeon or not.

Now the thought is does sound make our world go round… well many things make our world go round… from ice creams to politics.

Am sure sound too… a baby in the womb can hear all that goes on around him or her. But can he or she decipher what that sound is until she sees it. Or knows it. I know when I hear sarcasm but does she in the womb… or its more to do with body language and eventual learning.

Or is sound some thing more… a channel of thought may be… as they say – its not what u say its how u say it… we cannot think but in words. We almost always do have to spell it out even to ourselves. So if sound is thought and our thoughts are sound then a whole new dimension opens up to the way we look at this topic

@janux - thanks for starting the topic... after reading that long freaking article of yours sound has been on my mind... this is a good way to explore more

@ full on - i love the different thought angle, all together it makes my brain cells erk with pleasure.

finally a topic worth looking into

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Allegoric - Psynce
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Posted : Jan 22, 2007 22:21
@ rich : mate u won't believe me how much i've been researching for this question of yours trust me i have asked many people because even i believe in learning and i must say your question had a point but mate who so ever i have asked this question have gave me the answer u have got frm me last time and i'll 100% go with that......
rest i think janux has cleared ur doubts            Truth will always guard our souls......


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rich
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Posted : Jan 23, 2007 01:02
@t_o_a: Cool man. Appreciate your shared interest!

Quote:

the same thing happens when you are playing a track on a system at a very low volume, it always seems slightly faster, when you turn up the volume it seems to slow down a bit. true?



Gotta try that one
dE.Tonatik
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Posted : Jan 23, 2007 06:04


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Posted : Jan 23, 2007 14:52
I'm deaf.
&
I can't read.

Entheogen
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Posted : Jan 23, 2007 16:20
so does anyone has an explanation about synaesthesia?           Peace, Love, Unity, Respect!
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Janux
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Posted : Jan 23, 2007 16:50
to remind people : Synaesthesia is when you actually see a sound

@Entheogen

could have something to do with the brain and cognition... that the frequency & vibration of a SOUND probably has an equal/brother/sister COLOR vibration.
... and somehow while our brain is processing the sound, there is some overlap going on in our senses where our vision is effected by the same processing... and our vision comes up with the equivalent output.

... This kind of explaination however, does not mean that its just some illusion.

it means that there is a direct relationship between light & sound.... something that people usually think of as two very seperate entities.

also right now i am talking about sound<-->color.

but maybe sometimes when someone sees a sound, its not in the form of a color, but rather its in the form of some kind of visual distortion of what he/she is already seeing.... that could have to do with the fact that the person actually being able to see the effect of the moving particles (which is what sound is) the effect the mechanical sound wave is creating in the physical environment.

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dE.Tonatik
Detonatik

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Posted : Jan 23, 2007 18:05


Synaesthesia is a joining together of sensations that are normally experienced separately. Some synaesthetes experience colours when they hear or read words, whilst others may experience tastes, smells, shapes or touches in almost any combination. The sensations are automatic and cannot be turned on or off. People are generally born with it and it runs in families. It is not considered to be harmful in any way. Most synaesthetes could not imagine life without these extra sensations! Studying synaesthesia may help us to understand how the brain segregates and integrates different sensations and thoughts.




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sorceress
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Posted : Jan 23, 2007 19:43
Quote:

On 2007-01-23 18:05, Detonatik/VortexCortex wrote:


Synaesthesia is a joining together of sensations that are normally experienced separately. Some synaesthetes experience colours when they hear or read words, whilst others may experience tastes, smells, shapes or touches in almost any combination. The sensations are automatic and cannot be turned on or off. People are generally born with it and it runs in families. It is not considered to be harmful in any way. Most synaesthetes could not imagine life without these extra sensations! Studying synaesthesia may help us to understand how the brain segregates and integrates different sensations and thoughts.




deton@tik





Synaesthesia. i too have seen colors flow out of the speakers, i have seen then flow into my grasps and then have slowly lifted me up and shown me things of great mystry. i have heard the beautiful sounds of a bright to a blurry rainbow in the expansive dewey blue sky

and here i know i am not the only one.

perhaps we did see red when frequency of yet another wave was high. hense gave red to danger too. which includes hot surfaces and spicy food.

the strongest and the most neglected affiliation we have is to smell where in smelling some thing momentarily recreates an entirely diff point in time. say u saw a place A where unknowingly a smell leaps up to u say of water and dirt and the smell of trees(a concoction) today if u go to a place B and momemtarily get a small whiff of the same smell u for that moment live that second in that time when u see all that u saw then and hear all u in a moment feel what u felt then... elated experiace not unusual.

like when u read u build a surrounding, charater, features in your own mind. thats why so many people who read the book first might not entirely like the movie based on it.

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astralseeker


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Posted : Jan 23, 2007 20:11
have you ever heard of a project called total eclipse ?

:- )

..and a track called "sound is solid "

Entheogen
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Posted : Jan 23, 2007 23:36
thanks guys..           Peace, Love, Unity, Respect!
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dE.Tonatik
Detonatik

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Posted : Jan 24, 2007 10:05
Quote:

On 2007-01-23 19:43, sorceress wrote:

the strongest and the most neglected affiliation we have is to smell where in smelling some thing momentarily recreates an entirely diff point in time. say u saw a place A where unknowingly a smell leaps up to u say of water and dirt and the smell of trees(a concoction) today if u go to a place B and momemtarily get a small whiff of the same smell u for that moment live that second in that time when u see all that u saw then and hear all u in a moment feel what u felt then... elated experiace not unusual.





super intense stuff

its like a deja-vu , maybe m not sure


psynaesthesia rules
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lokus
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Posted : Jan 24, 2007 10:14
Quote:

On 2007-01-20 01:11, rich wrote:
I got a question regarding sound. When I'm listening to music in my headphones and I yawn, I notice the music speeds up a little, then returns to its normal speed when the yawn is done. What causes that?



i think when some one yawns the muscles in the head strech the eardrum and so he hears it a bit higher then normal. this gives him the illusion that time is going faster...
i think
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