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Raves vs. Psy Parties?

DiMiTry
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Posted : Jan 10, 2008 20:43
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On 2008-01-10 12:18, Scatter wrote:

Bullshit. 90% is way too high. The genre itself pushes experimenting and creativity. I've SEEN people write house music, I've seen people write hiphop, I've seen people write psytrance. Psytrance is the only genre I've come across where there's a science behind not only layering sounds, but in the HOW the sounds are layered. It's layers of sounds, layers of filters/effects, and layers of automation controlling those effects. And all of it is systematically and creatively executed, sometimes in rhythm, sometimes not (outside of the lame shit you were talking about which I'd say is closer to 50%). Yes, other genres do this, but psytrance does it with a fluidity that's far above your avarage EDM producer. It's beyond cut and paste, it's taking what you cut and paste and molding it into something new, and then molding the overall product into something beyond it's initial parts and its creator. Something that puts you in a trance, and makes you lose the ability to figure out it's individual parts or how it was made, and appreciate it purely for what it is. For that, it deserves the pedestal.



could be it's just me then - i've been closely following psy for a while, and i've never been more disappointed with the quality of music being released. it used to be that most tracks on a compilation would be interesting and different, then it went down to 1-2 tracks, the rest being fillers, now most compilations are ALL regurgitated filler music, with maybe one out of every 30-40 tracks being interesting enough to stand out. same can be said about artist albums.

i am not talking about well-produced dance music - you can find that in every genre, i'm talking about musical creativity and not just repeating something that's been done a zillion times before. psy artists used to be good at that - think, for example, of the older (before 2001) TIP and TIP World comps, how almost every track would be unique and push some sort of new boundary. think of old Stone Age or Apoxina releases. You'd be lucky to find a single track of that caliber in the whole weekly Saikosounds shipment these days.

sure there are exceptions. Parvati, Glowing Flame, Zenon, and some others are still putting out mostly quality stuff. but there's isn't nearly as much innovation going on.

and yes, there are other genres that are pushing the boundaries, that are coming up with new stuff and that deserve being put on a pedestal - at least for the moment - more than psytrance does.
          ..it's just another party..
bastardsamadhi

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Posted : Jan 10, 2008 23:12
anyone who thinks that psytrance (or any subgenre of psytrance) deserves to put on a pedestal in regards to other genres of music -- that writing it involves a special science absent in composing/producing other genres of music -- is seriously deluding themselves.

I do not see psytrance or any of its subgenres as innately superior to other genres of EDM in regards to technique, complexity, musicality, etc... (ignoring, for the moment, "stupid" genres like happyhardcore, Nu-NRG, florida breaks, etc...)

I'd say psytrance is about "average" on supposed "complexity", it just goes over-the-top in waving said "complexity" in your face -- as if it had something to prove.
Jewbacca


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Posted : Jan 11, 2008 00:04
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On 2008-01-10 00:14, Jewbacca wrote:
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If you like what you hear and it gets you dancing then all is good.



Ignorance is bliss???



To answer your question, YES ignorance is bliss. Especially if its harmless and makes you happy.
thegooddale
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Posted : Jan 11, 2008 00:27
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On 2008-01-11 00:04, Jewbacca wrote:
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On 2008-01-10 00:14, Jewbacca wrote:
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If you like what you hear and it gets you dancing then all is good.



Ignorance is bliss???



To answer your question, YES ignorance is bliss. Especially if its harmless and makes you happy.



fair enough. to each there own...

pete
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Posted : Jan 11, 2008 00:53
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On 2008-01-10 20:43, DiMiTry wrote:
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could be it's just me then - i've been closely following psy for a while, and i've never been more disappointed with the quality of music being released.



I think that's normal for anyone who closely follows any genre for an extended period of time.

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sure there are exceptions. Parvati, Glowing Flame, Zenon, and some others are still putting out mostly quality stuff. but there's isn't nearly as much innovation going on.



The funny thing is lots of psy ppl who have been in it a long time have this opinion, but they all disagree as to what the exceptions are. For example, I just can't get into Glowing Flame or Parvati, even though they are held in high esteem by many of the ppl I most respect. I think the exceptions are particular artists like Samadhi, Artifakt,Furious, Ghreg on Earth, Neuron Compost, Pyskovsky, Gappeq, and a few others, but many experienced psy ppl disagree.

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and yes, there are other genres that are pushing the boundaries, that are coming up with new stuff and that deserve being put on a pedestal - at least for the moment - more than psytrance does.



The has almost become the conventional wisdom amongst semi-jaded psy ppl, but I just haven't heard it. Maybe I'm not listening the right artists though. Really the only non-psytrance edm I've been digging lately is wisp, which isn't particularly new.

Scatter


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Posted : Jan 11, 2008 01:11
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On 2008-01-10 23:12, bastardsamadhi wrote:
anyone who thinks that psytrance (or any subgenre of psytrance) deserves to put on a pedestal in regards to other genres of music -- that writing it involves a special science absent in composing/producing other genres of music -- is seriously deluding themselves.

I do not see psytrance or any of its subgenres as innately superior to other genres of EDM in regards to technique, complexity, musicality, etc... (ignoring, for the moment, "stupid" genres like happyhardcore, Nu-NRG, florida breaks, etc...)

I'd say psytrance is about "average" on supposed "complexity", it just goes over-the-top in waving said "complexity" in your face -- as if it had something to prove.




Not a better kind of complexity over other genres, just a different kind. There's plenty of other music I'd put on a pedestal because of certain complexities or other reasons besides complexity (I say complexity in lack of a better word to describe what I feel is indescribable). There's just something special about psytrance, and most of us know it, or we wouldn't post here. So why not put it on a pedestal?
DiMiTry
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Posted : Jan 11, 2008 01:21
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On 2008-01-11 00:53, pete wrote:
The has almost become the conventional wisdom amongst semi-jaded psy ppl, but I just haven't heard it. Maybe I'm not listening the right artists though. Really the only non-psytrance edm I've been digging lately is wisp, which isn't particularly new.



check out Bleep and Boomkat for some new stuff.. there are tons, and some of it is great.
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Jewbacca


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Posted : Jan 11, 2008 01:30
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On 2008-01-11 01:11, Scatter wrote:




Not a better kind of complexity over other genres, just a different kind. There's plenty of other music I'd put on a pedestal because of certain complexities or other reasons besides complexity (I say complexity in lack of a better word to describe what I feel is indescribable). There's just something special about psytrance, and most of us know it, or we wouldn't post here. So why not put it on a pedestal?
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I agree, if you love something enough to be a die hard fan, like most of us are, then why not put it on a pedestal, its not like we are saying start a war for the supremacy of psytrance. We are just saying love what you enjoy and enjoy what you love.
Danrennt98
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Posted : Jan 11, 2008 03:11
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There's just something special about psytrance, and most of us know it, or we wouldn't post here. So why not put it on a pedestal?




agreed. well said.
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